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Ronald Post
Gunz Up My Schnozz
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:59:00 -
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I have just realized that my skill plan is leading me into a hole. I thought that there would be Armor tanked missile ships as I progressed but can not find any. I really need a T1 Hull Battlecruiser or Battleship that fits this need but can't find one. Has this been addressed before? Am I missing something? I see the Prophecy but it is really just a drone boat with missile launcher hard points. |
Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:08:00 -
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Battlecruiser... not really. For Battleships there would be the Typhoon. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:12:00 -
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Typhoon. It is both a BC and a BS so it fulfills both of your requirements. Edit: Don't train the BC skill for it though. I was lying about the BC part. Oh god. |
Zhu Khan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:15:00 -
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A Khanid Navy Prophecy would be pretty baller. Maybe the lower tier factions will eventually get ships soon(TM). |
Icarus Able
Revenant Tactical
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:15:00 -
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prophecy kinda. But not really. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:17:00 -
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Zhu Khan wrote:A Khanid Navy Prophecy would be pretty baller. Maybe the lower tier factions will eventually get ships soon(TM). Maybe they could call it a Damnation or something.
Oh god. |
Zhu Khan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:22:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Zhu Khan wrote:A Khanid Navy Prophecy would be pretty baller. Maybe the lower tier factions will eventually get ships soon(TM). Maybe they could call it a Damnation or something. A T1 Damnation would be pretty baller... |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:28:00 -
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Torp Typhoon is awesome for close range brawling, but they are only good against other BS and maybe webbed BC. Since they improved cruise missiles, I would assume they might be better for fighting BC and down these days. |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
394
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Posted - 2014.05.07 21:32:00 -
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Missiles and armor aren't really much of a thing, at least not without drones as a big part of DPS.
What about the Gnosis? You'd still need to be able to make good use of drones in order to maximize it, but other than that it's probably the closest you can get. |
Ig Asho
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.05.08 00:57:00 -
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The gnosis is what you are seeking. Only t1 bc hull that can legitimately armor tank with missiles. You can argue about it being special edition but it is t1 so it fulfills your requirements. |
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Chessur
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:31:00 -
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Armor and missiles give you the following ships:
Malediction Prophecy (Has no Missile bonuses however) Sacrilege Legion Loki Typhoon / Fleet phoon
100MN Ham legion / Sac are prob going to be your best bet IMO
Garmonation 9 is a PvP video that has some great 100MN HAM legion footage. Check it out! |
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:57:00 -
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You could always spend the 8 days required to have an all IVs shield tank (compensations ignored because they're rarely useful) and then fly a bunch of missile/shield ships. |
chaosgrimm
Universal Production and Networking Services
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Posted - 2014.05.08 12:03:00 -
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If ur wanting it for PvE/ lvl3s and absolutely need an armor tanked BC, just throw an armor tank on a cyclone or drake. You only need 3 slots and could prolly get away with less depending on your range and opposing faction. |
Odithia
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.08 12:54:00 -
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Chessur wrote:Armor and missiles give you the following ships:
Malediction Prophecy (Has no Missile bonuses however) Sacrilege Legion Loki Typhoon / Fleet phoon
100MN Ham legion / Sac are prob going to be your best bet IMO
Garmonation 9 is a PvP video that has some great 100MN HAM legion footage. Check it out! Also Vengeance that is like an Armor Hawk except it can't abuse the double MASB. And Damnation that is a sexy T2 Prophecy with bonus to missiles instead of drones. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1930
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:47:00 -
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chaosgrimm wrote:If ur wanting it for PvE/ lvl3s and absolutely need an armor tanked BC, just throw an armor tank on a cyclone or drake. You only need 3 slots and could prolly get away with less depending on your range and opposing faction.
Armor tank a Drake?!?!? That's just bad... "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1958
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:10:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:chaosgrimm wrote:If ur wanting it for PvE/ lvl3s and absolutely need an armor tanked BC, just throw an armor tank on a cyclone or drake. You only need 3 slots and could prolly get away with less depending on your range and opposing faction. Armor tank a Drake?!?!? That's just bad... not as bad as you may think. it catches the enemy off guard and allows you to fit lots of EWAR.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
chaosgrimm
Universal Production and Networking Services
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Posted - 2014.05.08 17:39:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:chaosgrimm wrote:If ur wanting it for PvE/ lvl3s and absolutely need an armor tanked BC, just throw an armor tank on a cyclone or drake. You only need 3 slots and could prolly get away with less depending on your range and opposing faction. Armor tank a Drake?!?!? That's just bad...
Not ideal, but not bad if the OP just needs a ship b4 transitioning to a phoon. In PvE, you don't need an awesome tank, just a sufficient one, and when you consider the number of newer players using 3 lows for relays on their passive tank, using 3 for armor isn't terrible. |
Blodhgarm Dethahal
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
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Posted - 2014.05.08 18:18:00 -
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I kinda like Rapid Heavy Phoon actually...
Don't use it for solo however... -Bl+¦d
http://bloodytravels.blogspot.com/ -á-- My travels through space. |
Deerin
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2014.05.09 12:24:00 -
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I assume you are thinking this about PVE use. I believe you can happily armor tank a cyclone. use lots of TP's on meds and use furies to have a veyr decent damage application on it.
For pvp it does have PG to fit hams neuts and 1600. It is good. |
Meiyang Lee
Game Instrument Applications
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:20:00 -
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Technically the Armageddon also fits the bill (it has 5 launchers for a reason, and 7 lows means it armour tanks like a bastard) The only downside is that it has no bonus to those launchers, as it's primarily a drone boat. It does have a nice NOS and Neutralizer bonus. |
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Valleria Darkmoon
Convicts and Savages Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.05.10 10:08:00 -
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As has been pointed out there are a handful of armor tanked ships that can fit launchers and even less that do it particularly well although ships that fit both armor and missiles have to be designed for it to some extent because of fittings.
Launchers are heavy on CPU use and lighter on PG and this is also true of shield mods meaning Caldari for example are CPU rich but a little bit PG challenged. This also means that fitting armor tanks to a ship that is traditionally shields and missiles will often run into fitting issues from its lower PG.
Conversely trying to fit launchers to a traditional armor tanker (excluding things like Legion/Sac that were designed with that combination in mind) tend to run into CPU issues as soon as you start fitting anything beyond the launchers and tank.
It's not that you can't make functional fits that are that far outside the box, it's just that particularly with trying to fit missiles to an armor tank whether you are putting missiles on an armor ship that doesn't have missile bonuses or putting an armor tank on a traditional shield tanker will often require sub-optimal downgrades of fittings somewhere in order to fit into whichever fitting constraint you happen to have when you are not using one of the Amarr ships designed to do armor and missiles. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2014.05.11 01:54:00 -
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What about the Cyclone? It has generous low slots and room for 5 launchers. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Meiyang Lee
Game Instrument Applications
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Posted - 2014.05.11 08:19:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:What about the Cyclone? It has generous low slots and room for 5 launchers.
You know what, that may be the best option. It even has a missile damage bonus. Though it comes with a shield boost bonus, it has 5 lows, so it should be armour tankable.
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