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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:52:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote: The Gecko should not have been released pre-Kronos with post-Kronos stats. It should have had its damage on delivery pre-nerfed and then adjusted in Kronos along with every other drone.
Why? |
Ravasta Helugo
Republic University Minmatar Republic
276
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:53:00 -
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This whole ongoing debate is pointless, and the participants are talking past one another.
To one side: Yes, the Gecko will do less damage post-Kronos due to the DI changes. That blows. I wanted super-Geckos too. However, I can't in good conscience call it a nerf... because it was clearly intended to operate with with post-Kronos abilities the whole time. It's still super fast and has excellent application, it just isn't the ONLY drone you should be using anymore. That's ok.
To the other side: Yes, this change is just bringing the Gecko to the place it was intended to be, however to say that Devs haven't been forthcoming with this knowledge is an understatement- giving this thread great merit. I mean seriously, first of all the changes referenced are massive, yet don't even have a thread here. That the Gecko wasn't getting the 33% buff literally every other drone is getting was revealed on ******* Twitter, for chrissakes. So this thread is important, and trying to kneecap what was supposed to be a discussion of what this meant for the utility of the drone by going after the semantics of the OP is counterproductive and, frankly, off topic. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1775
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:00:00 -
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I really don't get this thread.
Two weeks ago no one even heard of the gecko. Now we all have free geckos, and people complain that the free stuff we got won't be as wtfbbqpwn in 1 month.
Y'all are wierd. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9633
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:20:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: The Gecko should not have been released pre-Kronos with post-Kronos stats. It should have had its damage on delivery pre-nerfed and then adjusted in Kronos along with every other drone.
Why? You know exactly why. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1775
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:30:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: The Gecko should not have been released pre-Kronos with post-Kronos stats. It should have had its damage on delivery pre-nerfed and then adjusted in Kronos along with every other drone.
Why? You know exactly why. If I had to hazard a guess, which I have to given the open endedness of your response -- speculation.
Here's the thing though. It's absolutely moronic to speculate on an item that CCP disburses to literally everyone that is subscribed, with more disbursements planned. Look at the Gnosis, currently sitting at less than a third of its release market price. Or the Zephyr, or the Primae, or the Genolution implant sets where the price crashes on an annual basis.
Speculating on giveaways is moronic. A lot of the speculators will get burned. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5533
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:33:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:I really don't get this thread.
Two weeks ago no one even heard of the gecko. Now we all have free geckos, and people complain that the free stuff we got won't be as wtfbbqpwn in 1 month.
Y'all are wierd.
Happens around here all the time.
People bitching about finding $10 in the street because it wasn't $20.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Jar ing Loutte
DeepSpace Manufacturers Brothers of Tangra
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:34:00 -
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:37:00 -
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Pubbie Spy wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Dave Stark wrote:remind me what changes are being done to the gecko? It's losing 50% of the drone interface bonus June 3. But you're right, I must be imagining that it could possible have an effect... Good god this is dumb. Who in their right mind thought that the heavy drone newly that is literally better than a fighter and was introduced literally weeks before a drone rebalance patch is going to stay that overpowered relative to everything else? What did you smoke and where can I get some?
People are asy to spoil, easy to upset and feel entitled to, well, everything.
And yea, I wish they'd puff puff pass that good green to me too (in game lol) |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9634
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:42:00 -
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It's not about entitlement. It doesn't make sense to release an uber powerful drone and say "oh we don't actually intend it to be this strong, but you get a few weeks of it anyway because we're too lazy to give it proper stats for the interim/too stupid to hold off on release".
If we didn't get anything for EVE's birthday few would have noticed and even fewer would have cared. That's what they should have done. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1775
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:45:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:It's not about entitlement. It doesn't make sense to release an uber powerful drone and say "oh we don't actually intend it to be this strong, but you get a few weeks of it anyway because we're too lazy to give it proper stats for the interim/too stupid to hold off on release".
If we didn't get anything for EVE's birthday few would have noticed and even fewer would have cared. So CCP does something nice for drone users everywhere, giving them 1 month of super drone that does an additional X% damage, and that's a bad thing?
How is doing something NICE for the player base an example of laziness? |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9634
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:48:00 -
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In fact the entire concept of these drones is dumb to begin with. If they were to be introduced it should have been as some class of drone that actually fills some sort of niche and doesn't feel like a themepark addendum.
But this feels like just a "here's a shiny new toy, go play with it" more than any gift I can recall receiving in the past. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9634
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:48:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:It's not about entitlement. It doesn't make sense to release an uber powerful drone and say "oh we don't actually intend it to be this strong, but you get a few weeks of it anyway because we're too lazy to give it proper stats for the interim/too stupid to hold off on release".
If we didn't get anything for EVE's birthday few would have noticed and even fewer would have cared. So CCP does something nice for drone users everywhere, giving them 1 month of super drone that does an additional X% damage, and that's a bad thing? Yes.
"Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1146
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:50:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Pubbie Spy wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Dave Stark wrote:remind me what changes are being done to the gecko? It's losing 50% of the drone interface bonus June 3. But you're right, I must be imagining that it could possible have an effect... Good god this is dumb. Who in their right mind thought that the heavy drone newly that is literally better than a fighter and was introduced literally weeks before a drone rebalance patch is going to stay that overpowered relative to everything else? What did you smoke and where can I get some? People are asy to spoil, easy to upset and feel entitled to, well, everything. And yea, I wish they'd puff puff pass that good green to me too (in game lol) There is something to be said for giving something in one state and making and event of it only to have the perceived benefit change not long afterwards without much in the way of notification. Granted there is always the argument that it was given for free, and under no obligation, but I don't see that preempting coming by the forums at some point and saying "hey, by the way, these are already modified for Kronos" before the excitement went into full force. That would have been nice. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1775
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:54:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote: But this feels like just a "here's a shiny new toy, go play with it" more than any gift I can recall receiving in the past.
God forbid CCP gives their customers a shiny new toy to enjoy. You haven't watched "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" in a while, have you? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9634
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:55:00 -
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I prefer my sandbox MMO to have less gimmicks, not more. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9634
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:02:00 -
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Well the inevitable angry "why did you stealth nerf my Geckos" threads should at least provide some entertainment come June 3. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1775
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:02:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I prefer my sandbox MMO to have less gimmicks, not more. Odd, I don't seem to recall you complaining when the gnosis was released. Or the Genolution implants. Or the Zephyr. Or the Primae.
Funny that... |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9634
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:05:00 -
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Those were all pretty minor. I suppose the Gnosis does come close. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1775
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:12:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Those were all pretty minor. I suppose the Gnosis does come close. Yes, I do suppose 3 drones outweigh an entire battlecruiser in gimickness. Also, If I'm not terribly mistaken (and I could be), you didn't complain about the geckos when we received them either. In fact, you seemed interested in them here.
You only started complaining about "gimmicks" after you heard the "gimmick" was getting "nerfed."
Hmmm. Hmmmmmmmmm. I wonder what's at play here?
James Amril-Kesh wrote: I mean I see your point but still, if you're going to release something, don't release it with blatantly inflated strength for a month just because you think it'll be nice.
That's just....like....your opinion, man. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9634
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:17:00 -
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The stats issue is a huge part of why I feel like they're gimmicks though. It would have been fine if they were released with realistic stats, but they weren't. They have artificially inflated stats for no reason other than the fact that they were released too early. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9634
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:18:00 -
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Put more simply: CCP put something in the game, knowingly in a much stronger state than what they intend for the game. Do you see why this causes problems? "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1775
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:25:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Put more simply: CCP put something in the game, knowingly in a much stronger state than what they intend for the game. Do you see why this causes problems? Nope. The Chameleon, Utu, Merocha, Chremoas , and Adrastia are all much stronger than the ships intended for their respective roles. They are however limited in quantity, so as not to affect the overall balance of the game.
The gecko is a much stronger drone then intended for it's role (allegedly). It is however limited in time, so as not to affect the overall balance of the game.
To be totally honest, I prefer the latter to the former since the limited access item is available to everyone, but that's just my opinion. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
721
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:25:00 -
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lol, semantics .... almost as bad as D&D and 40K rules lawyers.
I can recall a 1000 post threadnaught in the old 3.5 D&D forums about whether "you can only summon an animal into an environment that supports it" meant giant eagles had to be summoned onto a perch rather than in mid air.
Anyway .. ignoring stupid arguments about wording some facts are obvious:
IF and ONLY IF you have interfacing trained to V ... 1. The Gecko will do 25% less damage after the patch. 2. The total damage from one Gecko in the new Rattlesnake will be huge but the overall damage from that one Gecko compared to two Geckos in the current Rattler will end up about 6% less.
The source of the DPS drop is irrelevant when making a fit.
and ... 3. In the end with all the other changes including new low slot drone mods it probably doesn't matter much
Also bare in mind many people have totally ignored Heavy Drone skills as they were useless for most scenarios so taking Heavy Drones up to V will restore some of the "lost" DPS for people with the skill at lower levels.
CCP could of course given us a slightly nerfed version and then buffed it along with everything else in Khronos to avoid all the who-har but that seems rather silly. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9634
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:31:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Put more simply: CCP put something in the game, knowingly in a much stronger state than what they intend for the game. Do you see why this causes problems? Nope. The Chameleon, Utu, Merocha, Chremoas , and Adrastia are all much stronger than the ships intended for their respective roles. They are however limited in quantity, so as not to affect the overall balance of the game. These ships are exactly as strong as they're intended to be.
PotatoOverdose wrote:The gecko is a much stronger drone then intended for it's role (allegedly). It is however limited in time, so as not to affect the overall balance of the game. Except a month of overpowered drones that everyone gets has a much more profound effect on game balance than some AT prize ships that mostly won't even see combat at all outside of the AT. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1775
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:36:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:The gecko is a much stronger drone then intended for it's role (allegedly). It is however limited in time, so as not to affect the overall balance of the game. Except a month of overpowered drones that everyone gets has a much more profound effect on game balance... [Citation Needed] |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
466
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:40:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:lol, semantics .... almost as bad as D&D and 40K rules lawyers.
"But it only says in Forgeworld's books that Forgeworld Rules are Official Games Workshop rules for 40k, not in the core 40k rulebook, therefor it does not count!"
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2350
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Posted - 2014.05.09 02:59:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:I really don't get this thread.
Two weeks ago no one even heard of the gecko. Now we all have free geckos, and people complain that the free stuff we got won't be as wtfbbqpwn in 1 month.
Y'all are wierd. Happens around here all the time. People bitching about finding $10 in the street because it wasn't $20.
I thought the complaining was because folk found $20 in the street only to be told that very shortly said $20 would in fact be worth $10. This is not a signature. |
Lugia3
Emerald Inc. Easily Excited
941
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Posted - 2014.05.09 03:11:00 -
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Tar'z wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% you can expect to see Gecko damage nerfed by approximately 6.3%. Drones keep getting killed, bit by bit, just like high sec. I'm making 200mil/hr in highsec right now. I'm making that amount of ISK while typing this message on the forums. I could go take a poop right now, come back, and I'd still be making progress towards that 200mil/hr. High-sec income is completely over the top due to the ability to multibox accounts in this game. You cannot multibox in non-highsec with the same safety and therefore efficiency. I understand the high-sec income nerfs are bothersome for players with solo accounts, but consider what happens if they don't nerf it. People like me continue to make 200mil/hr for almost no effort. If you have one account, get the hell out of high-sec is my suggestion. Now, back on topic..... the current gecko is completely OP. Perhaps with this change the gecko will actually be balanced now. Remember it still has it's absurd EHP, ridiculous speed/tracking for a heavy drone, and all the other goodies.
200 mill across how many accounts? An orca and 6 mackinaws?
Sorry dude, for 7 accounts 200 mill an hour is ****. "CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2014.05.09 03:47:00 -
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Right, so my Gecko's DPS is getting nerfed come Kronos.
Glad we cleared that up.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Flex Carter
Caldari Independant Mining Association
128
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Posted - 2014.05.09 03:56:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Doc Fury wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:I really don't get this thread.
Two weeks ago no one even heard of the gecko. Now we all have free geckos, and people complain that the free stuff we got won't be as wtfbbqpwn in 1 month.
Y'all are wierd. Happens around here all the time. People bitching about finding $10 in the street because it wasn't $20. I thought the complaining was because folk found $20 in the street only to be told that very shortly said $20 would in fact be worth $10.
Pretty much this... Everyone started making big plans with their free 20 bucks but soon discovered the next day we were being slipped a Ten-spot instead. A little ungrateful I agree but damn it, I had some big plans for my 20 bucks.... |
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