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Makhaira
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Posted - 2006.05.25 18:57:00 -
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I have heard of these people who use macros to strip mine entire belts, which I don't agree with, however, I do have a question over the acceptable use of macros.
I mine in a brutix, and fill my cargo hold quickly, and have to drag to a jet can every cycle. Is there anything to stop me using a windows macro program to create a macro where once every 60sec the ore gets dragged from my cargo window to the open can window? Nothing else, no moving around, no mining commands, just movement of an item between a can and my ship. This would mean i could get on with other tasks on my pc while i mine when i'm broke.
I'd be grateful to hear people's ideas for this, and of course the official viewpoint from CCP on my idea....
Cheers in advance.
Mak
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2006.05.25 18:59:00 -
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You can use a macro command, but that is still macroing. In fact, this is exaclty what those belt macros in jita are doing. They have someone watching the computers who activated the miners/warps them around. All the macros really do is move the ore and operate the haulers.
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Raven Aure
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Posted - 2006.05.25 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Makhaira I have heard of these people who use macros to strip mine entire belts, which I don't agree with, however, I do have a question over the acceptable use of macros.
I mine in a brutix, and fill my cargo hold quickly, and have to drag to a jet can every cycle. Is there anything to stop me using a windows macro program to create a macro where once every 60sec the ore gets dragged from my cargo window to the open can window? Nothing else, no moving around, no mining commands, just movement of an item between a can and my ship. This would mean i could get on with other tasks on my pc while i mine when i'm broke.
I'd be grateful to hear people's ideas for this, and of course the official viewpoint from CCP on my idea....
Cheers in advance.
Mak
Banned by the EULA..... so not going to happen really. I also disagree with it as it makes ISK generation too easy. ______________________ 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron Kieron... I have some bad news... |
Chemo Queen
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Posted - 2006.05.25 19:07:00 -
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From the EULA: You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played. You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. EULA
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Makhaira
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Posted - 2006.05.25 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Makhaira on 25/05/2006 19:12:44
Quote: you may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play
Since I'm not actually modifiying the game, and not speeding it up, technically my idea would not breach the EULA....please could a CCP Dev give the official word on this?
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Pailloran
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Posted - 2006.05.25 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Makhaira Edited by: Makhaira on 25/05/2006 19:12:44
Quote: you may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play
Since I'm not actually modifiying the game, and not speeding it up, technically my idea would not breach the EULA....please could a CCP Dev give the official word on this?
If you are 'getting on with other PC tasks' while the macro is doing this for you, I believe that's going to breach the EULA as you are getting the ore at a rate you wouldn't be able to while doing those PC tasks and dragging it yourself. A matter of interpretation perhaps, but I believe that will apply.
Hopefully a dev or mod will chime in with the final word for you.
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Raven Aure
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Posted - 2006.05.25 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Makhaira Edited by: Makhaira on 25/05/2006 19:12:44
Quote: you may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play
Since I'm not actually modifiying the game, and not speeding it up, technically my idea would not breach the EULA....please could a CCP Dev give the official word on this?
Um.. we're not talking about speeding the game up - it's about accelerating your earnings. Does having a macro accelerate your earnings if you go off and do things while mining? I think the answer is pretty concrete (and the reason behind your OP) and is banned. ______________________ 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron Kieron... I have some bad news... |
Dolly Parton
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Posted - 2006.05.25 19:29:00 -
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STOP TRYING TO CHEAT!
using a macro or any sort is cheating. i mine at my keyboard the whole time. jettisoning cans and having alt haul. try that before you try to find a loop hole in the rules to get what you want. if cargohold is to small get a bigger ship or use cargo extenders, or space the lasers activation times apart so your not deactivcating all the time cause of a full cargo hold.
not saying your a cheater but anything other than you moving mouse from cargo hold to can each time and not just the first time setting up macro is cheating.
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Irrilian
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Posted - 2006.05.25 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Irrilian on 25/05/2006 19:35:30 Edit: eula snippet already posted. - - - The Big Blue, ôExodus realised.ö |
Chemo Queen
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Posted - 2006.05.25 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Chemo Queen From the EULA:
You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of ITEMS, CURRENCY, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or OTHERWISE MANIPULATE DATA in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. EULA
items= mins mins=currency
you mine faster, you get more faster. you cheater.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2006.05.25 23:22:00 -
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IHMO you are not a cheater if you stay at your PC and watch EVE. If you go afk (even for a ****) and keep the macro running or you switch to another window and do something else you are a cheater for me.
If you use a macro only for keep your hand healthy then there is nothing wrong with it. -- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill|lost my ship|gank|gate camp|Verone/;'
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2006.05.25 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: gfldex IHMO you are not a cheater if you stay at your PC and watch EVE. If you go afk (even for a ****) and keep the macro running or you switch to another window and do something else you are a cheater for me.
If you use a macro only for keep your hand healthy then there is nothing wrong with it.
Wrong. If I have to drag the ore every 3 minutes/60 seconds (barge) then everyone should have to drag the ore into the container. It is an UNFAIR ADVANTAGE to use a macro. Plus its just downright dirty abuse of the game.
And it IS against EULA no doubt about it.
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Kaemonn
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Posted - 2006.05.26 00:02:00 -
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Any and all macros are against the EULA. A macro is something that would automate any repeated action. What you are describing is exactly that. That means it is against the EULA. Highly advised not to make that macro under penalty of a nasty in game ban
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.05.26 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Chemo Queen From the EULA: or other stored rapid keystrokes . EULA
Okey .. will this say that using a G-15 keyboard (logitech) is against EULA ?
Because on the G-15 keyboard you got something called G-keys and those you can store shortcuts and such on... even make your Raven shoot in chains (missiles every 4 sec.) with a single keystroke.
Can a Dev or GM please confirm or something ? ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor. |
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Kaemonn
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Posted - 2006.05.26 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Arcticblue2
Okey .. will this say that using a G-15 keyboard (logitech) is against EULA ?
Because on the G-15 keyboard you got something called G-keys and those you can store shortcuts and such on... even make your Raven shoot in chains (missiles every 4 sec.) with a single keystroke.
Can a Dev or GM please confirm or something ?
G-15 Keyboard is allowed.
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Sul Sonic
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Posted - 2006.05.26 03:47:00 -
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if you could concievably make your g-15 keyboard move minerals from one container from another with 1 or a few keystrokes, using only it and its provided software and drivers, would that violate the EULA?
sorry, I know this is just one crazy example, but I don't want to cheat. ------------------------------------------- dvorak is the best keyboard layout ever. I use it, and so does your guy in EVE. Yeap, it was in one of the chronicals. |
Maximillian Pele
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Posted - 2006.05.26 04:04:00 -
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Even with a G-15 keyboard you still need to press the keys.
Macro programs have the advantage that they press the key for you, so you can be afk and the macro will keep transferring ore to the jumpcan.
I may be wrong, but I believe that the defining difference between a macroer and say a person who mines with several accounts at the same time is the keyboard - if a human has to press keys = ok, if a program does it = ban.
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spurious signal
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Posted - 2006.05.26 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sul Sonic if you could concievably make your g-15 keyboard move minerals from one container from another with 1 or a few keystrokes, using only it and its provided software and drivers, would that violate the EULA?
sorry, I know this is just one crazy example, but I don't want to cheat.
YEs, it would violate the EULA. It's not about the specifics here, it's about the intent. Your intent is to allow you to mine without having to endure the tedium of it. Your intent is to make isk without any effort on your part.
Having your G15 fire your Raven's missiles at 4 second intervals with a single keystroke isn't going to make you money without you being at the keyboard, they're entirely different things, and I suspect that you're well aware of this and that you're being disingenuous with your posts to be honest.
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Chemo Queen
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Posted - 2006.05.26 08:07:00 -
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the g-15 keyboard just uses one button to press your top slots (or however you configure it)it just does key shortcuts that ccp should have included with the client (yes i know there is a small menu for it but it is a bit lame). It does not do mouse drag and drops automatically, if it did do it automatically, then that would be cheating as it involves no keypresses bar the first one...... just like clicking start on a macro prog.
Face it, Mr OP, you will just have to do it the same way as all of the legit players in the game.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.05.26 08:10:00 -
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What you are describing in the OP would be considered against the EULA and bannable, trying to interpret how the EULA is worded in your favour doesn't change anything.
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Makhaira
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Posted - 2006.05.26 08:18:00 -
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damn, oh well, thanks for the official word. Guess I won't bother with mining anymore, so i dont ahve to flick back to Eve every 30sec and drag the mins into my jet can. Unless a feature was developed where you could mine directly into a jet can.....
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kruspathuul
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Posted - 2006.05.26 08:28:00 -
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Edited by: kruspathuul on 26/05/2006 08:28:10
Originally by: Kaemonn
Originally by: Arcticblue2
Okey .. will this say that using a G-15 keyboard (logitech) is against EULA ?
Because on the G-15 keyboard you got something called G-keys and those you can store shortcuts and such on... even make your Raven shoot in chains (missiles every 4 sec.) with a single keystroke.
Can a Dev or GM please confirm or something ?
G-15 Keyboard is allowed.
so what you are saying is that you can use a g-15 keyboard to jettison a new can every 3 minutes by shortcutting jettison can to one of it's keys.. thanks, that rocks
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Krashtest
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Posted - 2006.05.26 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sul Sonic if you could concievably make your g-15 keyboard move minerals from one container from another with 1 or a few keystrokes, using only it and its provided software and drivers, would that violate the EULA?
sorry, I know this is just one crazy example, but I don't want to cheat.
If you are asking this question , you are trying to cheat and trying not to get caught while doing so.
Using the keyboard requires you to push the buttons still, unless you can program it to operate moving ore from cargo to can for an hour with a songle keystroke.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2006.05.26 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: kruspathuul Edited by: kruspathuul on 26/05/2006 08:28:10
Originally by: Kaemonn
Originally by: Arcticblue2
Okey .. will this say that using a G-15 keyboard (logitech) is against EULA ?
Because on the G-15 keyboard you got something called G-keys and those you can store shortcuts and such on... even make your Raven shoot in chains (missiles every 4 sec.) with a single keystroke.
Can a Dev or GM please confirm or something ?
G-15 Keyboard is allowed.
so what you are saying is that you can use a g-15 keyboard to jettison a new can every 3 minutes by shortcutting jettison can to one of it's keys.. thanks, that rocks
You fill a jetcan every 3 minutes? What the hell are you mining in? -- (Battle hardened miner)
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kruspathuul
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Posted - 2006.05.26 09:12:00 -
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no, that's not the point. the point is to automate a mundane task legally. hire some chump to do your hauling and let him worry about all the cans, set an alarm clock to ring every 3 minutes and then just press the desired preprogrammed button when it bleep.
another approach would be to consider the g-15 a customised keyboard and therefor it should be allowed to customise your very own keyboard including chips witch can send code snippet etc based on your keystrokes, to be safe just write g-15 on a piece of paper and tag it onto your keyboard. ^^
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Eight Ace
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Posted - 2006.05.26 09:25:00 -
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Let's assume I have this really smart pet monkey ....
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Fly Catcher
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Posted - 2006.05.26 10:39:00 -
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If you get caught you'll be in trouble, I doubt ccp do any routine checking for timing as it would overload the server, but I'm sure if a GM was suspicious he could check you out, the regular (to the second) dragging of ore would probably be enough for them to take action (suspend account, ban, transport you and all your assets to deepest 0.0 , whatever).
I would just get a barge, the 3 minute cycle is brilliant for semi-afk mining, you just keep an eye on the screen while you watch TV. The skills for a medium barge aren't really huge and I reckon it would keep up with a bc miner easily, covetoris where the joy starts tho :)
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PhantomStar
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Posted - 2006.05.29 12:29:00 -
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I would just like to point out that certain people in this conversation say that macro mining is cheating as it is getting you things that you should not be getting otherwise. I myself do not run macros but would like to point out two things.
1. Those of you with alts in my eyes are cheating as you yourself as a real person in space would not control two different ships at the same time and therefore this is a greater abuse of the game than macro mining. You are using them to get things quicker than a single person should be able to thus cheating by all the rules others have stated.
2. Also having a key set up to fire lots of guns at the same time does require you at the keyboard, but like many of you have said about mining it gives you an unfair advantage, difference being in this case it is against another person, therefore you should call your self cheaters for doing that.
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