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Alduin666 Shikkoken
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore
644
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:36:00 -
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So I hear getting a toon into the minerbumping chat channel is considered a "spy alt" now days. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18283
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:38:00 -
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Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:So I hear getting a toon into the minerbumping chat channel is considered a "spy alt" now days. Everybody in the minerbumping channel is a spy
Disregard Monarchy, Acquire Chickens Never go full Ripard |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
2305
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Posted - 2014.05.11 19:16:00 -
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Ganking miners is not profitable. CCP specifically made it so with the barge buff a couple of years ago. So I'll give you the ultra-secret, only talked about in the upper echelons of the New Order cabal (where I have a spy alt), main concern of the puppet masters:
Quote:If the miners ever stop sperging in local and sending hilarious tear filled emails full of *WWII German* references and death threats, we won't have anything to put on the blog. Without the blog we won't get billions in donations for Catalysts. It will be like someone ganked OUR wallet!
So if the industrialists could please talk to their fellows in hisec, especially the ones with a Strong Entitlement Booster, to just go ahead and shut the hell up, the New Order will die and minerbumping.com will go dark. Then only an occasional *pop* will be heard in the cold of space when the infrequent hisec miner is killed for lolz. Then my brothers and I can go on to fail careers elsewhere in New Eden. I myself intend on retiring in a nice back water wormhole system some day. Maybe do a little fishing. "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4068
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Posted - 2014.05.11 19:19:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Ganking miners is not profitable. CCP specifically made it so with the barge buff a couple of years ago. So I'll give you the ultra-secret, only talked about in the upper echelons of the New Order cabal (where I have a spy alt), main concern of the puppet masters: Quote:If the miners ever stop sperging in local and sending hilarious tear filled emails full of *WWII German* references and death threats, we won't have anything to put on the blog. Without the blog we won't get billions in donations for Catalysts. It will be like someone ganked OUR wallet! So if the industrialists could please talk to their fellows in hisec, especially the ones with a Strong Entitlement Booster, to just go ahead and shut the hell up, the New Order will die and minerbumping.com will go dark. Then only an occasional *pop* will be heard in the cold of space when the infrequent hisec miner is killed for lolz. Then my brothers and I can go on to fail careers elsewhere in New Eden. I myself intend on retiring in a nice back water wormhole system some day. Maybe do a little fishing.
So much this
The volumes of rage that spew forth simply because someone did the equivalent of putting a quarter into the Player Two slot of a Street Fighter II machine and proceding to beat player one black and blue, and then for PLayer One to scream in Player Two's ear;
"I will **** your mother for this!!!!!!111! YOU SICK FREAK!!!1!!!! ITS A ONE PLAYER GAEM!!!" "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
593
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Posted - 2014.05.11 19:53:00 -
[125] - Quote
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Ganking miners is not profitable. CCP specifically made it so with the barge buff a couple of years ago. So I'll give you the ultra-secret, only talked about in the upper echelons of the New Order cabal (where I have a spy alt), main concern of the puppet masters: Quote:If the miners ever stop sperging in local and sending hilarious tear filled emails full of *WWII German* references and death threats, we won't have anything to put on the blog. Without the blog we won't get billions in donations for Catalysts. It will be like someone ganked OUR wallet! some would argue they already don't have anything to put in their blogs.
-á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
2306
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Posted - 2014.05.11 20:31:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Ganking miners is not profitable. CCP specifically made it so with the barge buff a couple of years ago. So I'll give you the ultra-secret, only talked about in the upper echelons of the New Order cabal (where I have a spy alt), main concern of the puppet masters: Quote:If the miners ever stop sperging in local and sending hilarious tear filled emails full of *WWII German* references and death threats, we won't have anything to put on the blog. Without the blog we won't get billions in donations for Catalysts. It will be like someone ganked OUR wallet! some would argue they already don't have anything to put in their blogs.
Someone feels the blog is worth 350bil isk. I bet they think that because its funny. I know I do. "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion |
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2014.05.11 23:01:00 -
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Popping ships for fun isn't less cool. It's probably the realization of the hit to their own personal wallets that is making it less cool. It's simply a boring ISK sink. First, it's rarely a financial benefit to the ganker(s). The cost of enough firepower isn't worth a single Strip Miner or MLU. Second, indy players have a lot to say about the price of most items on the market.
It's like owning your own gold mine, but killing off your own employee miners and enjoying it until you finally wonder where the hell all this gold is that you are supposed to have. PvPers making their own habit more and more expensive is just... well typical logic of mindless idiots.
But it's for the tears. This is more valuable a commodity than ISK to some. But even then, if it's worth $15 a month to extract tears then go for it because you are never going to PLEX an account as a highsec miner-ganker. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
726
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Posted - 2014.05.11 23:15:00 -
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More miners means cheaper mats for my indy man to make ships with. But new order promote a good market for ships.
So logically I need both to be flourishing :D
Though whilst I have no issues with New Order at all in principle, it adds some flavor to otherwise boring systems and is a good talking point ... the individuals it attracts seem to mainly be arrogant supercilious prats :D |
Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER CODE.
254
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Posted - 2014.05.12 00:15:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:But even then, if it's worth $15 a month to extract tears then go for it because you are never going to PLEX an account as a highsec miner-ganker. I pay the $15 a month because the game is worth the money.
Never in my life would I sacrifice my free time to grind ISK just to pay for another month of mindless ISK grinding. That's probably why I never enjoyed other MMOs where the grind is the main part of the game. But it seams some people enjoy it when they can torture themselves in their free time. |
Baronvonchickenpants
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2014.05.12 00:31:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Alternative Splicing wrote:You can't really blame people for going for the low hanging fruit.
No ability to move quickly No tank No active defense Does not believe in natural predators Very specific diet (miners) Cannot adapt sounds Iike the ganker in his cataIyst. |
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Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
100
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Posted - 2014.05.12 00:57:00 -
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Alyth Nerun wrote:Graabeerd Khagah wrote: In today's climate, ganking is as old as Eve itself I'm sure and some things never change, and never will. I am however pretty convinced that after witnessing many attacks on miners that you so graciously "ENJOY" the aftermath of a kill in Hisec. I am sure your killboard reflects that as well. I am convinced sir that as far as you are concerned you go to bed at night with absolutely no remorse for your actions, sure it's just a game mind you but sometimes ingame attitudes gets taken back to reality and from there who knows.
When one such as you kill a mining ship and pod kill the miner, I am sure you are overjoyed to get very little out of the wrecks if anything at all save for implants and hard wiring. I am sure you are so overcome with joy when the miner raises the roof with you in local and that you just sit there at your computer laughing at the fool you are. I am sure you're fattening your wallet everytime you act in the matter to which you have publicly displayed.
The joy comes of course from the fact that I helped that miner become a better player and even better person by teaching him a vital lesson about the game and the CODE, which is of course the law in Highsec. You seam to forget that we are the good guys in Highsec, always ready to help the miners with leadership, order and our friendship. We help to stabilize this vital part of the game from where almost all the resources for our ships come from. I think we can both agree that this important profession needs reliable and healthy pilots which follow the law and make us all proud to be citizens of Highsec. When I look into my system and it's only populated with responsive and kind people all with their mining permits ready to prove their loyalties to James 315 and The New Order, then I know I am doing the right thing and make a difference. You can make a difference too, all it needs is faith in the CODE and some SP in Gallente Destroyer
Your original quote is more correct than this drivel :)
Is it so hard to be true to yourself and actually say why you like ganking miners? |
Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
100
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Posted - 2014.05.12 00:58:00 -
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Boredom....what a wonderful thing |
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.05.12 02:56:00 -
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Tar'z wrote:What do you guys think?
One of my spy alts was in a CFC chat channel and I saw an interesting conversation between a few important-ish CFC members. They we're discussing a recent article on minerbumping.com and how funny it was, but also went on to comment on how "lame" and "old" griefing miners in high-sec is getting. They seemed amused still by the content created but seemed to have no interest in furthering their commitment in helping create it themselves.
One of the members made a comment that hit home. Loosely paraphrased he stated, "it just seems like the cool thing to do, and I have no interest grouping up with mindless sheep."
To me this makes sense. I've ganked a many dozen mining barges, freighters, orcas, marauders, but never under the motivation of simply trolling the person behind the keyboard. While I do not object to that in itself, I always wondered why miners got the brunt end of it while mission runners, haulers, PIers, manufacturers, and scores of other AFK income activities are largely ignored. IMO the most logical reason was given by the CFC members above.
Discuss!
Have no fear, I am trying my best to make those mission runners pay what they owe to keep running missions.
Saying that, blaping a miner never gets old. blaping a miner and citing the fact that he does not have a permit is even funnier as he explodes into a rage that is really crazy when you think about it. Keeping in mind I explode ships for isk, but if I can toss a bit of minerbumping lolz on it at the end its all in good fun. |
Raine Marelwe
Republic University Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2014.05.12 06:54:00 -
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Miner trolling was never cool to anyone that wasn't a miner troll. If you're asking if that pool of individuals is shrinking, then I can't help you - but I doubt it.
Most everyone else recognizes the activity as a mere time sink, light on - if not utterly devoid of - a sense of long-term accomplishment. Hell, as a matter of little more than some simple accounting to maintain sustainability - at most - it's even light on short-term accomplishment. All you get is a (very) temporary emotional rise out of someone, which you could do much more efficiently merely by asking for a sandwich on any comment thread at Jezebel.
TL;DR - Miner trolls are the MIMAFer's of the griefing realm: They perpetually engage in an inefficient, watered-down version of their hobby because they're just too damned proud of themselves to see how tragically pathetic they are. This was never cool to anyone but them. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy Disband.
1201
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Posted - 2014.05.12 06:57:00 -
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Guttripper wrote:Whereas the New Order might have been an interesting angle a while back, any time someone mentions them, I have an image of smeared mayonnaise...
It's great that we excite you but sharing your food fetish with us is a bit too much information. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2014.05.12 21:03:00 -
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Raine Marelwe wrote:Miner trolling was never cool to anyone that wasn't a miner troll. If you're asking if that pool of individuals is shrinking, then I can't help you - but I doubt it.
Most everyone else recognizes the activity as a mere time sink, light on - if not utterly devoid of - a sense of long-term accomplishment. Hell, as a matter of little more than some simple accounting to maintain sustainability - at most - it's even light on short-term accomplishment. All you get is a (very) temporary emotional rise out of someone, which you could do much more efficiently merely by asking for a sandwich on any comment thread at Jezebel.
TL;DR - Miner trolls are the MIMAFer's of the griefing realm: They perpetually engage in an inefficient, watered-down version of their hobby because they're just too damned proud of themselves to see how tragically pathetic they are. This was never cool to anyone but them.
You forgot to say we are fat, sociopaths, who live in our mothers basement, eating Cheetos and drinking mountain dew. If your going to stereotype us you might as well go all the way. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4159
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Posted - 2014.05.12 21:09:00 -
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Baronvonchickenpants wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Alternative Splicing wrote:You can't really blame people for going for the low hanging fruit.
No ability to move quickly No tank No active defense Does not believe in natural predators Very specific diet (miners) Cannot adapt sounds Iike the ganker in his cataIyst.
Really?
Catalysts are fast
They have more tank that a Retriever by quite some amount
They often have active defense i.e. guns and active tanking modules
CONCORD are their natural predator
Their diet as is very well proved is miners, transports, freighters and often combat ships that try to stop them in belts
They adapted to using Tornadoes when the sensible good miners switched to Procs
So... tell me again how this sounds like a Ganker please? "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1474
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Posted - 2014.05.12 21:21:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Baronvonchickenpants wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Alternative Splicing wrote:You can't really blame people for going for the low hanging fruit.
No ability to move quickly No tank No active defense Does not believe in natural predators Very specific diet (miners) Cannot adapt sounds Iike the ganker in his cataIyst. Really? Catalysts are fast They have more tank that a Retriever by quite some amount They often have active defense i.e. guns and active tanking modules CONCORD are their natural predator Their diet as is very well proved is miners, transports, freighters and often combat ships that try to stop them in belts They adapted to using Tornadoes when the sensible good miners switched to Procs So... tell me again how this sounds like a Ganker please? Really Catalyst doesn't need a speed. You warp, shoot and die.
They have about 3k EHP, retriever has about 9k (again: catalyst needs full damage and not tank)
Guns are not 'active defense' and no active tanks are present on ganking catalysts
CONCORD is not predator. It is just inevitable death. It happens at completely predictable moment and does what it is supposed to do.
Diet is very specific: untanked or low-defense ships mostly flying AFK and solo.
Switching to tornadoes moves us to another thread. Here we speak about ganking catalysts.
So again: all above describes gankers in catalysts wery well.
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4161
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Posted - 2014.05.12 21:34:00 -
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March rabbit wrote: Really Catalyst doesn't need a speed. You warp, shoot and die.
They have about 3k EHP, retriever has about 9k (again: catalyst needs full damage and not tank)
Guns are not 'active defense' and no active tanks are present on ganking catalysts
CONCORD is not predator. It is just inevitable death. It happens at completely predictable moment and does what it is supposed to do.
Diet is very specific: untanked or low-defense ships mostly flying AFK and solo.
Switching to tornadoes moves us to another thread. Here we speak about ganking catalysts.
So again: all above describes gankers in catalysts wery well.
Sorry dude, I entirely disagree with each of these points.
But I think we know each other well enough that arguing about this is pointless, quiaff? "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
655
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:22:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Ganking miners is not profitable. CCP specifically made it so with the barge buff a couple of years ago. So I'll give you the ultra-secret, only talked about in the upper echelons of the New Order cabal (where I have a spy alt), main concern of the puppet masters: Quote:If the miners ever stop sperging in local and sending hilarious tear filled emails full of *WWII German* references and death threats, we won't have anything to put on the blog. Without the blog we won't get billions in donations for Catalysts. It will be like someone ganked OUR wallet! So if the industrialists could please talk to their fellows in hisec, especially the ones with a Strong Entitlement Booster, to just go ahead and shut the hell up, the New Order will die and minerbumping.com will go dark. Then only an occasional *pop* will be heard in the cold of space when the infrequent hisec miner is killed for lolz. Then my brothers and I can go on to fail careers elsewhere in New Eden. I myself intend on retiring in a nice back water wormhole system some day. Maybe do a little fishing. Wow grats...I never considered the N.O to be spy worthty? |
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Liam Inkuras
Top Belt Heroes
1184
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:36:00 -
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Quality necro post.
Edit: **** now it looks like I necro posted. GO BACK 1 PAGE TO FIND THE HEATHEN I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3650
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:38:00 -
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liam |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
653
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:53:00 -
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Most of this stuff is one charade after another and has a short shelf life.
In all my years in EVE Online I have never once been ganked while mining.
I've had some scrub steal from cans during missions, before I could blue them a total of 4 times. It amounted to pulling drones and doing the rest of the mission with missiles. Followed but an incessant spamming of private message until I blocked them or accepted to see what angle they had in store. Followed by docking and logging out for an hour to check Alt PI.
A kill mail link on the forum might create 3 or 4 pages of fake rage but boring, predictable and meaningless in the game. |
Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:54:00 -
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Tar'z wrote:What do you guys think?
One of my spy alts was in a CFC chat channel and I saw an interesting conversation between a few important-ish CFC members. They we're discussing a recent article on minerbumping.com and how funny it was, but also went on to comment on how "lame" and "old" griefing miners in high-sec is getting. They seemed amused still by the content created but seemed to have no interest in furthering their commitment in helping create it themselves.
One of the members made a comment that hit home. Loosely paraphrased he stated, "it just seems like the cool thing to do, and I have no interest grouping up with mindless sheep."
To me this makes sense. I've ganked a many dozen mining barges, freighters, orcas, marauders, but never under the motivation of simply trolling the person behind the keyboard. While I do not object to that in itself, I always wondered why miners got the brunt end of it while mission runners, haulers, PIers, manufacturers, and scores of other AFK income activities are largely ignored. IMO the most logical reason was given by the CFC members above.
Discuss!
Trolling was ever cool? Trolling is what nerds who got bullied in high school do to finally feel like the bully for a change... |
Hadrian Blackstone
Yamato Holdings
63
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:00:00 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:Trolling was ever cool? Trolling is what nerds who got bullied in high school do to finally feel like the bully for a change...
You just described Eve. |
Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:20:00 -
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The one thing here that I don't get is that mining is a requirement of EVE. It 'has' to happen in order for people to get their shiney ships and fittings. So I see this as a strange practice that is comparable to biting the hand that feeds. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2228
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:26:00 -
[147] - Quote
Because gankers totally have no mining alts in corps they gank Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
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Heinrich Erquilenne
Foundation Cutting-Edge Mordus Angels
3
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:32:00 -
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I'm mostly doing PI and nullsec lp farming. This is safer than highsec mining indeed. Nullsec is a vast, empty piece of space in which reds don't even engage you when you fly a "navy" ship, and PI is the safest passive income ever.
It's sad to see people ganking freighters imo because they make prices more even across the galaxy which isn't a bad thing from my perspective. Miners have their use too even if most of them have terrible fits. I like cheap ships, mind you. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2690
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Posted - 2014.07.22 00:23:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Ganking miners is not profitable. CCP specifically made it so with the barge buff a couple of years ago. So I'll give you the ultra-secret, only talked about in the upper echelons of the New Order cabal (where I have a spy alt), main concern of the puppet masters: Quote:If the miners ever stop sperging in local and sending hilarious tear filled emails full of *WWII German* references and death threats, we won't have anything to put on the blog. Without the blog we won't get billions in donations for Catalysts. It will be like someone ganked OUR wallet! So if the industrialists could please talk to their fellows in hisec, especially the ones with a Strong Entitlement Booster, to just go ahead and shut the hell up, the New Order will die and minerbumping.com will go dark. Then only an occasional *pop* will be heard in the cold of space when the infrequent hisec miner is killed for lolz. Then my brothers and I can go on to fail careers elsewhere in New Eden. I myself intend on retiring in a nice back water wormhole system some day. Maybe do a little fishing. Wow grats...I never considered the N.O to be spy worthty?
You resurrected a thread dead for 2 months to make that quality remark? I mean, you had 2 whole months to come up with something. Wow... If we're not supposed to shoot pods in hisec, why are they filled with meat? |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
3481
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Posted - 2014.07.22 01:16:00 -
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It was Liam, he did it. He's a witch.
.. when everything else is gone .. |
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