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Parvi Dahmal
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:21:00 -
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So I read that High Sec ganking is profitable if I am carrying a valuable load. But how will another player figure out what I am carrying? Is there a way to shield or cloak or relabel cargo from that kind of scan? |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2189
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:25:00 -
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They use a cargo scanner. You can't hide your stuff, but you know when they're doing it because they'll yellowbox you.
in VERY basic terms
- don't carry more than a few mil in a typical indy - don't carry more than ~ 1.5 bil in a freighter - tank your industrial. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:27:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:They use a cargo scanner. You can't hide your stuff, but you know when they're doing it because they'll yellowbox you. Unless they use a passive targeter. Basically, always assume people can see your stuffs and fly like it. Also, they're probably working as a team, so even if someone yellow-boxes you at one gate, don't presume you're safe because you managed to warp away. Move along! |
Amonios Zula
Aeon Ascendant
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:28:00 -
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Anyone with a cargo scanner can take a look in your hold and work out its rough value and see if you're worth blowing up. As far as i know there are only two ways to prevent your cargo being looked at.
First being the "double wrap" method of contracting a container (if i recall correctly) so its basicly a container inside the contracts container (plastic wrap) Second , using a blockade runner as their holds cannot be scanned.
however both approaches often cause people to destroy the ship "just in case" |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2189
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:29:00 -
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Bridgette d'Iberville wrote:Velicitia wrote:They use a cargo scanner. You can't hide your stuff, but you know when they're doing it because they'll yellowbox you. Unless they use a passive targeter. Basically, always assume people can see your stuffs and fly like it. Also, they're probably working as a team, so even if someone yellow-boxes you at one gate, don't presume you're safe because you managed to warp away.
yeah -- but after you use the scanner you yellowbox the target (or has this changed?) One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
223
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:34:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:yeah -- but after you use the scanner you yellowbox the target (or has this changed?) Really? I swear I tested this out before with an alt and as long as the passive targeter was used, it didn't show a box at all. It's been a few years though... Move along! |
Bastion Arzi
Failed Diplomacy Failed-Diplomacy
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:41:00 -
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i thought if u placed the cargo inside a container in ur ship they cant tell whats in the container |
Amonios Zula
Aeon Ascendant
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:46:00 -
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You can see whats in a container, thats why the contract thing to double wrap them is sometimes done. as you can look inside the plastic wrap, and see just a container (but not whats in it). |
Chicken Exroofer
Regional Assault and Recon
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:50:00 -
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Covert hauler description "immune to cargo scan"
Best words in Eve. High skill Gallente covert hauler, just over 10 000 m3. My Minmatar cov hauler is just under 10k m3.
However some people will pop these just on the off chance they might have something good in them.
Same fly safe rules need to be followed. Never autopilot ever. Cloak and jump immediately on every gate, everywhere. One should still split high value loads up in to reasonable amounts.
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Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2189
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:54:00 -
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Chicken Exroofer wrote:Covert hauler description "immune to cargo scan"
Best words in Eve. High skill Gallente covert hauler, just over 10 000 m3. My Minmatar cov hauler is just under 10k m3.
However some people will pop these just on the off chance they might have something good in them.
Same fly safe rules need to be followed. Never autopilot ever. Cloak and jump immediately on every gate, everywhere. One should still split high value loads up in to reasonable amounts.
Will also add in "never WTZ on a lowsec/nullsec gate, or wormhole" . One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
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Chicken Exroofer
Regional Assault and Recon
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:23:00 -
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Oh absolutely. Though I gathered from the OP that he was relatively new, and even training up for cov hauler to use for high value cargo in hisec would be a bit of time for him.
One can always trade cargo space for tank/warp core stabs etc, even in hisec. New hull upgrade rigs in summer patch will yeild interesting options for setting up haulers. Nothing is gank proof, but 400 k EHP or more Orca......
I will be using one of these to haul compressed WH ore I'm thinking, |
Petrus Blackshell
Derelict Rifter Enterprise
3137
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:50:00 -
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Use this tool as a rule of thumb: http://rifterlings.com/bounty
The only way you can shield your cargo from viewing is by using a Blockade Runner. Their cargo cannot be scanned, and they're small, cloaky ships, so they only rarely get ganked (excluding targeted ganking/attacks against a person/corp/alliance). Rifterlings - newbie-friendly swashbuckling corp ("weflyrifters" in-game channel). Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
voetius
BITB Support Services
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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:11:00 -
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Chicken Exroofer wrote:Covert hauler description "immune to cargo scan"
Best words in Eve. High skill Gallente covert hauler, just over 10 000 m3. My Minmatar cov hauler is just under 10k m3.
However some people will pop these just on the off chance they might have something good in them.
Same fly safe rules need to be followed. Never autopilot ever. Cloak and jump immediately on every gate, everywhere. One should still split high value loads up in to reasonable amounts.
Blockade Runners are nice but they tend to get targeted nowadays. One of my trade alts was warping gate to gate in high sec (empty as it happened) and got ganked by a sensor boosted T1 sentry vexor. My alt now uses stabs for the first time ever as that was the only thing that could have saved them.
There are alternatives though, I've used quad plated battleships with good tank, no guns, for high value cargo (double wrapped ofc), but that was before the BS warp changes and I wouldn't recommend now. Orcas and Proteus' are still options and we'll see how the hull rigs affect the meta as well in June. |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:59:00 -
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Inertia stabilisers, lots of them.
They can scan you without you knowing.
I've carried 100 mil or more in standard insustrials many times and got away with it (usually to or from jita).
unock>warp to BM directly out front of station> warp to gate.
Resists is usually better than extenders because they give you robustness without reducing the time it takes someone to lock you. If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough. |
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
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Posted - 2014.05.09 22:22:00 -
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Lots of good information here.
Something to remember - the most dangerous routes to haul are from trade hub to trade hub, and from mission hubs (lots of L4 agents). I've flown with stupid amounts of cargo and not had a problem because I either scouted myself with a friend or alt - or been in low population space.
Garnish that advise with some 'don't fly it if losing it will make you quit.' |
Gregor Parud
485
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Posted - 2014.05.09 22:42:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Bridgette d'Iberville wrote:Velicitia wrote:They use a cargo scanner. You can't hide your stuff, but you know when they're doing it because they'll yellowbox you. Unless they use a passive targeter. Basically, always assume people can see your stuffs and fly like it. Also, they're probably working as a team, so even if someone yellow-boxes you at one gate, don't presume you're safe because you managed to warp away. yeah -- but after you use the scanner you yellowbox the target (or has this changed?)
Not true.
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Velicitia
Arma Artificer
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Posted - 2014.05.09 22:46:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Velicitia wrote:Bridgette d'Iberville wrote:Velicitia wrote:They use a cargo scanner. You can't hide your stuff, but you know when they're doing it because they'll yellowbox you. Unless they use a passive targeter. Basically, always assume people can see your stuffs and fly like it. Also, they're probably working as a team, so even if someone yellow-boxes you at one gate, don't presume you're safe because you managed to warp away. yeah -- but after you use the scanner you yellowbox the target (or has this changed?) Not true.
awesome, tx. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Damon Messer
Miroirs
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Posted - 2014.05.09 23:23:00 -
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red frog |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2850
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Posted - 2014.05.10 01:30:00 -
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I work with several groups of gankers. Here's what you need to know.
First there are three main types of gankers.
- For profit ganks. These people will kill Blockade Runners on sight, and will not kill other ships unless they have scanned you already and your cargo exceeds their gank threshold. Best countermeasure - never fly a BR, never fly an Iteron or similar with over 100m cargo, never fly a freighter with over a billion. - Extortion ganks. These people want to make an example of you, your cargo doesn't matter but the killmail value does. They aren't looking for money from you so much as they are looking to tax all haulers. The Ministry of Love and the New Order are the main two. It's up to you whether you pay them off or just accept the odd loss. - Anti supply line ganks. During nullsec wars, often null alliances will try to sabotage each other's supply lines from highsec. If Goons are using lots of Ogre II in a future war, anyone on the other side will kill someone hauling those drones.
Think of the gankers' goals and you will be better placed to determine how much risk you are at. Set the universe on fire - then sell the survivors ash. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
384
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Posted - 2014.05.10 04:21:00 -
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Bridgette d'Iberville wrote:Velicitia wrote:yeah -- but after you use the scanner you yellowbox the target (or has this changed?) Really? I swear I tested this out before with an alt and as long as the passive targeter was used, it didn't show a box at all. It's been a few years though... ETA: Here's a thread about the PT from 2011, no clue how accurate any of this is, I'll have to go test https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24734Either way OP, always assume someone knows what you're carrying, because someone probably does.
A passive targeter will circumvent auto-targeting, which I normally have on solo to identify whomever is hitting me, and for the handy alert tone if my attention might be elsewhere, but it is counter-productive in groups as I discovered one day when I pointed my friends orca with my arazu while trying to assist against a proteus. On the plus side, I got a free killmail.
When you are the target of a cargo scan, there is an alert sound. I just want to get a plex as fast as i can so i dont have to worry about resubbing, 15 dollars is Cat litter and Food for my cat, or 2 Grams of Weed, i'd rather spend it on that then on this game--Rogue Mime |
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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
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Posted - 2014.05.10 06:28:00 -
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You've seen that noob ship or frigate sitting at Jita / perimeter / niarja gate for hours an end and wondered why is it just sitting there ?
Well slap in a passive targeter and a ship scanner your self and find out. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.05.10 06:59:00 -
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Parvi Dahmal wrote:Am I a High Sec Target? Only if you make yourself one.
Shiny modules, excessive isk value in cargo, and autopilot/afking through chokepoints like Niarja, Kaaputenen or Uedama for example will tend to attract people who'd like to violently relieve you of your stuff.
Disregard Monarchy, Acquire Chickens Never go full Ripard |
Damon Messer
Miroirs
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Posted - 2014.05.10 12:23:00 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:Bridgette d'Iberville wrote:Velicitia wrote:yeah -- but after you use the scanner you yellowbox the target (or has this changed?) Really? I swear I tested this out before with an alt and as long as the passive targeter was used, it didn't show a box at all. It's been a few years though... ETA: Here's a thread about the PT from 2011, no clue how accurate any of this is, I'll have to go test https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24734Either way OP, always assume someone knows what you're carrying, because someone probably does. A passive targeter will circumvent auto-targeting, which I normally have on solo to identify whomever is hitting me, and for the handy alert tone if my attention might be elsewhere, but it is counter-productive in groups as I discovered one day when I pointed my friends orca with my arazu while trying to assist against a proteus. On the plus side, I got a free killmail. When you are the target of a cargo scan, there is an alert sound.
whoa whoa whoa, hold the horses! eve has sound? |
Nick Starkey
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2014.05.10 13:47:00 -
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You can safely carry over ~400m isk worth of goods on a properly tanked t1 industrial. However, as a new player you won't have the SP to either fit the required modules or use them, so I would keep it under ~90m ISK just in case. |
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
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Posted - 2014.05.10 14:15:00 -
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If you see 'yellow box' either the attack is about to take place, the attacker/s is doing it wrong, or they are trying to bait you into attacking them. This is why 'auto-target' should always be switched off and drones should be set to passive. |
Taxi Nepaht
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.11 05:35:00 -
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As a noob hauler who was ganked 3 times this week (yeah slow learner but i'm still a lot of millions ISK positive and learned a lot albeit a bit slowly )
- you will be passive targeted and scanned ; forget about the yellow box, so no clue but visual ones around the scanning ship (noob ships standing at gates) ; double wraping will prevent scanning but also rise suspicions - double edge solution ; these ships may or may not be in the same corp ;
- the gankers have a clean overview focusing on transport ships (straight from one of them who was actually very friendly) ;
- trying to use a cloaking device on an Iteron will fail (they rack 4 T2 sensor boosters + target painting + rigs) - uncloak to warp => dead iteron ;
- they have one or more friend by the gate (where you will come out) to scoop your drops and go away ; i've even seen a charon doing it (it was the same corp than the killer) hilarious ;
- if you go the tank road, built for ginormous HP cause they fire 8 * T2 1400 mm artillery guns from a tornado ; my last gank was from 3 of them together - can you say ouch ;
- dont think that because you just jumped in Jita you 're @ home ; the gate from Perimeter to Jita for example is very often camped; you warp to dock and find yourself docking in your pod (i still lol about it) ;
If that can help, but i guess it will be shortlived ; take a look at some gates around Jita or Amarr for a bunch of players called flim flam "random name" ; they re the spotters ; same goes for the corp RM101 (thats the guys i see the most) ;
If you have a friend available and are ganked in high-sec, fleet with him and have him ready to podkill the ganker (Concord will blast him for you) just for the lolz (we did once) ;
Also dont forget to open your kill rights to everybody for 1 isk, no reason not to make a pirate life easy ;
I'm still trying to find a proactive solution around that gank issue cause they have to shoot first and then it's too late for me at that point (and sadly they still have a far too high sec status) ;
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries Order of the Exalted
540
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Posted - 2014.05.11 08:02:00 -
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Taxi Nepaht wrote:Also dont forget to open your kill rights to everybody for 1 isk, no reason to make a pirate life easy
Never ever do this. If you do, the pirate will pay you 1 isk and then have a friend blow them up in a rookie ship. In general set 10 mill minimum when selling killrights, or around 2/3rds of the estimated price of their commonly flown ships. (catalyst, 10m, nado, 60m ect.) New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier The Scourge.
211
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Posted - 2014.05.12 04:42:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:- For profit ganks. These people will kill Blockade Runners on sight, and will not kill other ships unless they have scanned you already and your cargo exceeds their gank threshold. Best countermeasure - never fly a BR, never fly an Iteron or similar with over 100m cargo, never fly a freighter with over a billion.
Pretty much this. BR's are good if flown properly, but should be avoided till you can get a hang of it. Basically if you fly with cargo worth less then what it takes to make you go boom, you go along way towards not getting ganked.
However, with that being said, some people just like to see shiny explosions, so you will also want to practice other areas of safe flying such as avoiding systems with a bunch of ship/pod kills, having a friend or alt scout the route ahead of you, having an escort to web you into warp, never flying gate to gate in low or null, and not using auto-pilot to fly.
If you must haul small expensive items such as BP's and faction/dead-space mods, interceptors, Covort-ops, and nullified cloaky T3's are your best friends.
NEVER HAUL PLEX, EVER!!!!! This is the quickest way to be ganked and is really unnecessary. Also never fly a t1 freighter into low or null sec unless you have heavy support and you know what you are doing.
If you follow the above advice and the advice of others in this thread you shouldn't have any issues with being ganked while hauling. Erotica 1: Scams someone-á-á Ripard: Makes inflamatory blog post that incites eve community and the MMO community-á Sohkar: I wasn't harrased-á-á-á-áCCP: Banned-á-á-á Moral of this story? If you don't want to get banned, don't **** off CSM |
Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier The Scourge.
211
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Posted - 2014.05.12 04:52:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Taxi Nepaht wrote:Also dont forget to open your kill rights to everybody for 1 isk, no reason to make a pirate life easy Never ever do this. If you do, the pirate will pay you 1 isk and then have a friend blow them up in a rookie ship. In general set 10 mill minimum when selling killrights, or around 2/3rds of the estimated price of their commonly flown ships. (catalyst, 10m, nado, 60m ect.)
Doesn't really matter as most ganker alts are KOS anyway. While it may be worthwhile to make a Kill right available for someone that ganks you that are above -5, If they are below that threshold it won't matter.
Erotica 1: Scams someone-á-á Ripard: Makes inflamatory blog post that incites eve community and the MMO community-á Sohkar: I wasn't harrased-á-á-á-áCCP: Banned-á-á-á Moral of this story? If you don't want to get banned, don't **** off CSM |
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