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Sato Page
BLOORDOGY Dead Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.05.10 14:27:00 -
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http://nerdsoliloquy.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/eve-online-may-have-experienced-its.html
We would love to know the subscription number of EvE after the CSM9 election. I could see no reason for CCP to withhold this information from its players. I'm sure CCP just over looked this "minor" detail while compiling this year's election report.
So yeah...... CCP, if you could just go ahead and tell us the number..... That would be great.... Thanks. |
Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
744
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Posted - 2014.05.10 14:33:00 -
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Or the more likely option is that subscriber numbers are still going up but even less people give a **** about the CSM then before? |
Meiyang Lee
Game Instrument Applications
38
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Posted - 2014.05.10 14:35:00 -
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Sato Page wrote:http://nerdsoliloquy.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/eve-online-may-have-experienced-its.html
We would love to know the subscription number of EvE after the CSM9 election. I could see no reason for CCP to withhold this information from its players. I'm sure CCP just over looked this "minor" detail while compiling this year's election report.
So yeah...... CCP, if you could just go ahead and tell us the number..... That would be great.... Thanks.
You can check CCPs financial report, the number should be in there if I recall correctly. |
Sato Page
BLOORDOGY Dead Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.05.10 14:37:00 -
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Joshua Foiritain wrote:Or the more likely option is that subscriber numbers are still going up but even less people give a **** about the CSM then before?
In this case, CCP should release the number. Just to kill rumour of this kind. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1019
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Posted - 2014.05.10 14:40:00 -
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Do you know what trade secrets are, OP? |
Sato Page
BLOORDOGY Dead Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.05.10 14:45:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Do you know what trade secrets are, OP?
Yes I do, random goon. This information wasn't part of your "trade secrets" for the first 9 years of eve. So what's so secret about the sub number of 2013?
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1875
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Posted - 2014.05.10 14:47:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Do you know what trade secrets are, OP?
Sub numbers are usually a marketing asset not a trade secret. The only time you classify them as a trade secret is if they are bad.
E: Though the blog is terrible, since CSM voting is a horrible metric to use. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2996
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Posted - 2014.05.10 14:47:00 -
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Sato Page wrote:Joshua Foiritain wrote:Or the more likely option is that subscriber numbers are still going up but even less people give a **** about the CSM then before? In this case, CCP should release the number. Just to kill rumour of this kind.
Yup....
The employee who did all the analysis in the blog clearly had the raw number available, but chose not to reveal it. So really only a couple potential reasons why it was not revealed.
1. CCP is going in a new direction and not releasing sub numbers anymore, good or bad. But we have seen zero comments from management as to why that new direction. 2. It was an accidental omission.
Reason #2 is utterly implausible, and reason #1, well, why would they suddenly change?
And best thing, CCP is doubling down in steering the game in the direction that created this very likely subscription drop. An enormously bad business decision.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Cpt Swagg
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2014.05.10 14:54:00 -
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You know that's all bull right? Alts voting on the csm count as subscribers. There's just so much volatility in the guessing from the csm voting results, it's totally pointless to go that way.
If you want to know exactly how many subscribers including alts, go to Iceland and count the names on the monument.
That's how close you can get to a real number. Then divide that by 3 and have a realistic quantity of subscribers, not including alts. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1019
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:10:00 -
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Sato Page wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Do you know what trade secrets are, OP? Yes I do, random goon. This information wasn't part of your "trade secrets" for the first 9 years of eve. So what's so secret about the sub number of 2013?
They still don't have to disclose them to you or anybody for that matter. There are plenty of excuses, and you've got no reason to know them except for your own baseless and worthless speculation. |
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Bernie Nator
4U Services Inc. Upholders
1046
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:10:00 -
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Sato Page wrote:Joshua Foiritain wrote:Or the more likely option is that subscriber numbers are still going up but even less people give a **** about the CSM then before? In this case, CCP should release the number. Just to kill rumour of this kind. You mean the one you just started? |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
839
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:16:00 -
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The number is probably down and that's why they're keeping it a secret but so what...
CCP releases it and all the sudden 100 posts with the topic "I told you this would happen when CCP nerfed sentry drones" appear.
In actuality it's probably down because of the economy. I'm not sure about the rest of the world but in the USA it's been on a downhill slide for the past few years. Most people cut stuff like video games and entertainment first. |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
631
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:17:00 -
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Ground floor of another Eve is dying thread. "it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka-á |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5573
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:20:00 -
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Joshua Foiritain wrote:Or the more likely option is that subscriber numbers are still going up but even less people give a **** about the CSM then ever before?
PCU counts are definitely down on Tranquality (according to eve-offline), we've dipped to 2011 levels, I would expect that count to spike a bit around the next expansion as it usually does, it already appears to be trending back upwards. New eggs also seem to be back to trending upwards. Historically PCU is usually down for the few months leading up to an expansion. The Chinese server Serenity on the other hand has seen PCU counts trending steadily upwards since the beginning of the year, and their subs definitely count.
You could draw the conclusion the low PCU count on Tranq means overall subs have also been down, which could potentially affect voting turnout.
Of course only CCP knows for sure, but I would suspect that if sub numbers are down significantly, no one at CCP is going to be rushing to publish that info given the amount of other bad news they have had to deal with recently.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Natassia Krasnoo
R3D SHIFT Brothers Of The Dark Sun
317
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:24:00 -
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No wait! Stand back civilian onlookers...I've got this one!
Obligatory EVE is dying post.
It's safe now my fellow forumites, return to your usuall mundane posting. Nothing to see here. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1876
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:29:00 -
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IIshira wrote:
In actuality it's probably down because of the economy. I'm not sure about the rest of the world but in the USA it's been on a downhill slide for the past few years. Most people cut stuff like video games and entertainment first.
Actually gaming and home entertainment usually stay steady if not increase during a bad economy. Since people will cut back on more expensive forms of entertainment like going out, movies, dinners etc and stick to things like Netflix, Hulu, MMOs, etc which is generally cheaper in the long run(1 month for most MMOs costs less than a single night out). Not to mention Eve has a system that actually allows people to play to pay, which can negate the prioritizing income.
CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
482
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:31:00 -
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Meiyang Lee wrote: You can check CCPs financial report, the number should be in there if I recall correctly.
No, it doesn't, but it does give you an over all income from games and I believe it breaks it down by game. Logically if that number for Eve decreases, subscriptions/plex sales would be down. |
Darth Kilth
Silver Guardians Fidelas Constans
167
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:42:00 -
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The ammount of people voting in the elections in the real world goes up and down as well, doesn't mean a ton of people suddenly died or left the country if the numbers dropped. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
808
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:43:00 -
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I can see how the tutorials and missions can frustrate newcomers. I think that having tutorial videos outside of EVE for complex, multidiscipline activities like PVP is great and very helpful. But when YouTube videos are the *only* source of information about what you do with all the building blocks of PI, or how to do explo correctly even for a starter mission I think there's something fundamental missing in "New Player Experience". Take solace knowing that even after the sun sets, and your sky is filled with darkness, that the sun is still shining. -D. Entervention Psychotic Monk joins BNI |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
482
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:47:00 -
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Darth Kilth wrote:The ammount of people voting in the elections in the real world goes up and down as well, doesn't mean a ton of people suddenly died or left the country if the numbers dropped.
As they point out, it's not 'just' that the votes decreased. In and of itself that's interesting, but not alarming. Taken as part of the bigger picture though (concurrency, layoffs, game cancellations, lots of announcements of staff jumping ship to other companies) it's somewhat more concerning. CCP did not cancel WoD, as an example, despite the very small actual profit they made in last years financials. |
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JC Anderson
State Protectorate Caldari State
1100
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:50:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:I can see how the tutorials and missions can frustrate newcomers. I think that having tutorial videos outside of EVE for complex, multidiscipline activities like PVP is great and very helpful. But when YouTube videos are the *only* source of information about what you do with all the building blocks of PI, or how to do explo correctly even for a starter mission I think there's something fundamental missing in "New Player Experience".
Still, the tutorials are MUCH better than they used to be... And I mean like, leaps and bounds better. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10737
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:52:00 -
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are sub numbers down? we want to blame the usual scapegoats if they are Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
482
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:55:00 -
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Andski wrote:are sub numbers down? we want to blame the usual scapegoats if they are
That has yet to be conclusively shown, but frankly, it's starting to look that way.
As far as scapegoating, we should keep that separate. I suggest a 'GRR Goons' and 'Grrr Carebears' in separate threads to make the mods lives easier. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10738
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:57:00 -
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"it's starting to look that way"
what Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
JC Anderson
State Protectorate Caldari State
1100
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:57:00 -
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I shall blame Obama.... Really can't think of anything better. |
Dave Stark
5487
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:59:00 -
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just in case nobody has pointed it out.
starting your forum topic with a link to some one's blog who A) no longer plays eve, and B) RMT'd all their **** away before loudly announcing it to the world in a buttmad manner before trying to avoid the door hitting them on the way out.... that **** probably isn't the best way to start a topic. |
JC Anderson
State Protectorate Caldari State
1100
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Posted - 2014.05.10 16:01:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:just in case nobody has pointed it out.
starting your forum topic with a link to some one's blog who A) no longer plays eve, and B) RMT'd all their **** away before loudly announcing it to the world in a buttmad manner before trying to avoid the door hitting them on the way out.... that **** probably isn't the best way to start a topic.
ROFL I didn't bother checking to see who the author was until I saw your post.
So... yeah. |
Dave Stark
5487
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Posted - 2014.05.10 16:01:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:Dave Stark wrote:just in case nobody has pointed it out.
starting your forum topic with a link to some one's blog who A) no longer plays eve, and B) RMT'd all their **** away before loudly announcing it to the world in a buttmad manner before trying to avoid the door hitting them on the way out.... that **** probably isn't the best way to start a topic. ROFL I didn't bother checking to see who the author was until I saw your post. So... yeah. always check your sources. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1876
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Posted - 2014.05.10 16:04:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:Sibyyl wrote:I can see how the tutorials and missions can frustrate newcomers. I think that having tutorial videos outside of EVE for complex, multidiscipline activities like PVP is great and very helpful. But when YouTube videos are the *only* source of information about what you do with all the building blocks of PI, or how to do explo correctly even for a starter mission I think there's something fundamental missing in "New Player Experience". Still, the tutorials are MUCH better than they used to be... And I mean like, leaps and bounds better.
They are better in regards to explaining things, but I doubt they are doing much to draw more people into continuing to play. The NPE in almost all aspects is as boring as can be, which probably explains why the retention rate is and always has been low.
From a completely speculative standpoint in regards to possible decreased sub numbers. It seems like since Incarna the expansions have been mostly tweaks and minor improvements, which is by all means desperately needed. However this does not draw many older players back to the game mixed with the low retention rate of new players would mean lower overall PCU and sub numbers.
Since like Doc mentioned earlier, PCU usually decline before an expansion, then peak right after(older players checking out new content), then usually level off but at a bit higher rate. Now I haven't looked at the trend for Rubicon but judging by current PCU I don't think it matched that trend. This is also one reason why CCPs new plan of releasing more but smaller expansions concerns me, because I doubt it would drive enough hype and marketing to bring back older players.
Again purely speculative, since I haven't checked numbers yet, nor do I plan to. So I could be off.
CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
482
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Posted - 2014.05.10 16:12:00 -
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Andski wrote:"it's starting to look that way"
what
Well, take into account that the average age of the voting account increased at CSM, average concurrency is at it's lowest point since Incarna, the sudden interest in reducing costs that previously CCP seemed fine with, and CCP changed it's usual procedure where it published the number of votes for CSM vs the number of accounts eligible to vote.
This suggests, but does not prove, that numbers are down. Again, we'll have to wait for June's six month financials to prove it one way or the other, but, as the eight ball would say 'all signs point to yes'. |
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