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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.05.26 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Eximius Josari Since April 8th, 2004. You?
explains why your portrait hasnt loaded and have no idea about outposts, poses, 0.0 logistics...
- Gob
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.05.26 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: crom ralphfao Edited by: crom ralphfao on 26/05/2006 23:13:49 Edited by: crom ralphfao on 26/05/2006 23:10:38 you could justify beating or yelling at your wife and kids as well......but most people would be put off.
so are you comparing beating your wife and kids to fining people fictionary money in a online game?
- Gob
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Pod Popper
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Posted - 2006.05.26 23:26:00 -
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There is a time for the stick and there is a time for the carrot .. If people are getting the stick all the time, if they have sense they should leave ... the ones that dont leave in that situation are sheep or sycophants. give your members a little love (not the man/man kind) and it goes a long way.
Police your corp properly and have someone from hr (you have a HR dept right?) note who attented ops. Make sure that the people who regularly attend corp ops (be it mining, freighter run etc) get preferential treatment (cheaper ships and mods) than people who dont turn up.
Of course if some fupper is never turning up for anything just turf him out and thats that.
On the other hand its a fact of 0.0 life that there are some times when it is imperative that a freighter (or sometimes several) get down from empire to build more dreads/carriers or bring down POS fuel etc etc etc and in those instances the directors should put a lot of pressure on corp members (corp members, not employees/slaves) to help out. However, if this is happening all the time with no time for members to play then you are doing something wrong. |
Aero089
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Posted - 2006.05.26 23:29:00 -
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I completely agree with the CEO's point of view, although like others said, I would not have included the 100 mil option and I would have brought the message in a less harsh way.
I know very well what lazy members can do to an alliance or corp. Yes, I hate to say it, but FIX has had it's fair share of them.
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John McCreedy
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Posted - 2006.05.26 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Eximius Josari Since April 8th, 2004. You?
Let me try explain to all you noobs out there and be thankful I'm such a nice guy because really, I have no need to justify to anyone my actions when I've played for almost three years and have built a corp up from three members to almost four hundred where I turn away more people on a daily basis than I take in.
Firstly, where ASCN lives for those who've been living under a rock. Feythabolis, Esoteria and Paragon Soul. If you take a moment to look at the Map, we don't live on Empire Space's doorstep. We live as far South as you can possibly get.
Next, ASCN has 11 or so Outposts (probably more). Each of these requires a POS to ensure soverignty. Unfortunately, not everything a POS needs to run can be mined in 0.0. Then we have members who need to buy skills. We have goods such as Minerals to take to Empire to sell to keep our corps ticking over. We have new members with ships and items that need to come down.
In short, true self sufficiencey in 0.0 is not yet achieveable. Therefore we need to have Freighter runs. Next put yourself in the position where by week after week you run these up either by escorting them or by actually flying them. As anyone who's ever done either will tell you, it's a bloody nightmare due to lag, hostiles and the fact that a Freighter turns like a pig in ****.
Further imagine if you will, that week in, week out, certain individuals do not pull their weight in this one particular area, yet still do enough to stay in the corp. You, as a CEO, are presented with a difficult choice. Do you force them to do something they don't find fun, therefore ruining Eve for them and quite possibly loosing them? Or do you offer them a choice whereby they have an option to buy themselves out of the Operation thus still helping the corp with what is quite frankly for anyone living in 0.0 space, peanuts?
As an expereinced and fair CEO, I offer them this choice. Now let's take a look at my mail that the alt-lamer so kindly leaked:
Originally by: Jesus' best friend (a.k.a John McCreedy)
Tonight we need 3 Freighters going up to Empite to get POS fuel and modules. Tonight is your choice. You have 3:
A. You escort the Freighters there B. You pay the corp 100 Mill C. You remove yoru roles and I'll boot you out of EDF tomorrow
If I find out that anyone has ignored the request to acompany it and I don't have 100 mill sent to ***** when I log on tomrrow, I will remove you from this corp.
You have been warned.
John
Let me break it down:
Originally by: Evil CEO (a.k.a. John McCreedy)
Tonight we need 3 Freighters going up to Empite to get POS fuel and modules.
Stating fact here because it's bloody important.
Originally by: Mr. Angry (a.k.a. John McCreedy)
onight is your choice.
I'm offering a free choice. Many a CEO wouldn't.
Originally by: Mr. Generous (a.k.a. John McCreedy)
You have 3:
Wow how nice am I. I even give them 3 choices
Originally by: CEO who wants to have his members help their corp (a.k.a. John McCreedy)
A. You escort the Freighters there B. You pay the corp 100 Mill C. You remove yoru roles and I'll boot you out of EDF tomorrow
Damn this guy is generous! He's offering them three ways of helping the corp!
Originally by: Mr. Frustraited at lazy bastages (a.k.a. John McCreedy)
If I find out that anyone has ignored the request to acompany it and I don't have 100 mill sent to ***** when I log on tomrrow, I will remove you from this corp.
You have been warned.
John
Hmmm, so this Evil, nasty, 'orrible hobbit of a CEO has told his members why it's so important those Freighters make it (apart from the fact each one costs around 1 bn ISK). He's also given them free choice in ways to help their corp. Escort, donate money, leave (because we want dedicated individuals, not self serving ones) and then he even sends out a friendly warning (no shouting, no foul language) that if they don't make a choice, he'll make it for them. [:roll
Make a Difference
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Devoras2
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Posted - 2006.05.26 23:32:00 -
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No one in EDF is allowed to post in this thread. If you in EDF have a trouble with this post, inform your superiors in game. Dont go around making a fool of yourself. I recommend the remaning ASCN do the same.
Silence is gold.
And they call me slow.... hey! Thats an insult!
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Inertia Foryu
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Posted - 2006.05.26 23:35:00 -
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I am willing to join EDF. What do I need to do? / |
fuze
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Posted - 2006.05.26 23:36:00 -
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If you join a corp it's your life, blood and meaning of existance. Except if the CEO is an asshat. Get out or pod him over and over in no particular order.
People who don't grasp the concept of being in a corp should go solo or just quit and play single-player games. And drink beer from cans. |
Pod Popper
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Posted - 2006.05.26 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Inertia Foryu I am willing to join EDF. What do I need to do?
Apparently you just bend over and stay that way |
Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.05.26 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Pod Popper
Originally by: Inertia Foryu I am willing to join EDF. What do I need to do?
Apparently you just bend over and stay that way
A corp of 390 people is not easy to manage. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
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Morrigan Starlover
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Posted - 2006.05.26 23:48:00 -
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option c please, what a d*ckhead
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Pod Popper
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Posted - 2006.05.26 23:56:00 -
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Edited by: Pod Popper on 26/05/2006 23:58:43
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Pod Popper
Originally by: Inertia Foryu I am willing to join EDF. What do I need to do?
Apparently you just bend over and stay that way
A corp of 390 people is not easy to manage.
I know it isnt (not that I have managed a corp that big) just messing with the poster, his next post would likely be "can I have ur ship" ..
But like I said in my first post in this thread, all stick all the time and no carrot makes for rebellion ... coming down even harder on peeps for speaking up about it just pushes that rebellion deeper ..
In that situation, the corp may keep its central core of players, but the corp will bleed players that are being made to work too much .. and then the leadership has to push the remainder even harder to keep all those shiney POS's doing their thing and the haemorrage will get worse ... its happened before and it will happen again ... will it happen with EDF?
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crom ralphfao
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Posted - 2006.05.26 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: crom ralphfao Edited by: crom ralphfao on 26/05/2006 23:13:49 Edited by: crom ralphfao on 26/05/2006 23:10:38 you could justify beating or yelling at your wife and kids as well......but most people would be put off.
so are you comparing beating your wife and kids to fining people fictionary money in a online game?
i just said that for effect.....the ceo is justified if he wants to run his corp that way. we are all entitled to an opinion, mine was maybe a lttle overboard.
i would just try to be a little more diplomatic, but then i wasnt there and dont know the intimates.
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Tauge
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Posted - 2006.05.27 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: Tauge on 27/05/2006 00:12:55 Ok, since no one else wants to say it, EDF and ASCN are ebil ebil hobbits. They beat poor miners and eat babies. They tear the wings off of ducks and watch them try to survive. They skin kitties alive and laugh as they die.
There I said it. Now that everyone knows how horrible we are can we all just go back to our lives?
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Radioactive Babe
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Posted - 2006.05.27 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tauge Ok, since no one else wants to say it, EDF and ASCN are ebil ebil hobbits. They beat poor miners, eat babies and *****bunnies. They tear the wings off of ducks and watch them try to survive. They skin kitties alive and laugh as they die.
There I said it. Now that everyone knows how horrible we are can we all just go back to our lives?
Weren't you told to STFU
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Caine
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Posted - 2006.05.27 00:24:00 -
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This is EDF, A while a go I read their recruitment thread and decided there and then I couldn't meet the online requirments as I'm a casual gamer...
Everyone in that corp knows whats exspected of them, they chose it that way.
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.05.27 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Inertia Foryu I am willing to join EDF. What do I need to do?
Give up your life?
No seriously, i was tempted to reply to this before i went out tonight, now im home and drunk, im willing to respond....
Tbh after seeing that 'old' Nobody from.... reply to this:
Just how much do you want kicking down?
Get off with yourselfs, ffs it's a game.. i read your recruitment thread last year, it came across as argogant in the extreme.. there's a big world out there, you know.... it doesn't evolve around you head.
Ohh and to the guy that mentioned his wife.... yeah sure, id buy that for 100 million isk ______ Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free. We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.05.27 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Pod Popper Edited by: Pod Popper on 26/05/2006 23:58:43
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Pod Popper
Originally by: Inertia Foryu I am willing to join EDF. What do I need to do?
Apparently you just bend over and stay that way
A corp of 390 people is not easy to manage.
I know it isnt (not that I have managed a corp that big) just messing with the poster, his next post would likely be "can I have ur ship" ..
But like I said in my first post in this thread, all stick all the time and no carrot makes for rebellion ... coming down even harder on peeps for speaking up about it just pushes that rebellion deeper ..
In that situation, the corp may keep its central core of players, but the corp will bleed players that are being made to work too much .. and then the leadership has to push the remainder even harder to keep all those shiney POS's doing their thing and the haemorrage will get worse ... its happened before and it will happen again ... will it happen with EDF?
(edited to make it more readable)
very well, then I say this:
what has ASCN, with a very valuable help of EDF accomplished?
10 outposts and probably, one of the best, if not the best market in 0.0.
that requires dedication, dedication from corp members that are united by a single goal. dedication from members that chose to spend THEIR valuable time for the common and greater good. Truth to be said, if ASCN was just a bunch of corps full of people that only want to fill their pockets with isk, then we would just disband and join Tribal Souls.
...OH WAIT THEY'RE GONE! We pratically steam-rolled them and most of the people there didn't even offer any kind of resistance because most of them were only worried in filling their pockets.
Respect to the ones that putted up a fight tho.
Now I ask you. Do you know what it takes to make a life out of 0.0? Down there in the bonies? Where almost evereything is always in a short supply? Do the "no-say'ers" here know what it takes to raise up a market from scratch? Keep it supplied? Defend an entire region for extended periods of time? Raise an outpost? Untill some of you guys see how hard is to transform an entire region from uselessness to pratically an empire region, I won't let you mar the name of those who fighted and builded it. True that sometimes people get a bit iffy. True that sometimes even I feel a bit like a cog in a gigantic machine, but this is 0.0 and we're not here just for the isk. So you either are willing to help in make something usefull, or this is not the place for you.
Being in ASCN is fun, but as many things in life, to get that fun, you have to work for it. And by the gods I am proud to be one of the ASCN. I'm not here because of the isk, nor because of pvp, but because I can build something from scratch and say it to the rest of the EVE community: "ASCN made it and I was a part of it."
...bleh I went a lil' overboard. This is the last post from me in this thread. -------
Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.05.27 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: John McCreedy If I'm such a bad CEO, how come Jesus joined my Corp?
Shrug, it's your style and you have have a deacent sized corp. I'd not respond well to that sort of poke, but I'm not in your corp and don't plan to be.
Whiny alts 4tl.
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Kyozoku
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Posted - 2006.05.27 02:28:00 -
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d. destroy the freighters and leave the corp of your own will
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sylh
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Posted - 2006.05.27 02:42:00 -
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I'm just amazed that ASCN has to justify any of this to anyone. Nobody, including the alt posting, is forced to join and stay...they CHOOSE that themselves. If you're unhappy, quit.
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