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Yuri Voronin
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Posted - 2006.05.29 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Felix Cole Yes Gambling is fun. Hence why it can BECOME a addiction.
Yes, this is taken out of context, but does anyone else but me find the quote funny? Anyone? Oh well, fun things naturally incline you to do it again. Is it a problem?
We know that gambling is looked down upon, just as drinking and smoking is. But those who can play in this tournament are responsible adults. There is too much stuff on the Internet you wouldn't like people to experience. CCP allowed this, people liked it. Concerning CCP thinking about Eve's younger players, they can't participate and everyone is happy.
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Juwi Kotch
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Posted - 2006.05.29 13:35:00 -
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Felix, I understand your concern and it is good that people like you exist, admonishing some basic morals in life.
However, your anti-gambling crusade is somewhat misplaced in an environment which actually exists because people play for gambling, since eve-online is more or less exactly that. People playing eve-online are very unlikely to jump on a gambling-hate-wagon, they are already immersed by a special kind of online gambling.
I personally believe you would better focus your efforts on drugs like nicotin or alcohol, which are much more dangerous for kids then online gambling, imho.
Juwi Kotch
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Zaroastr
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Posted - 2006.05.29 13:45:00 -
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Well said. I totally agree :)
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Felix Cole
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Posted - 2006.05.29 13:57:00 -
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Pride I didnt reply instantly to it sorry as Ive been cooking and eating dinner. I acctually thought you made some very valid points. However while I can accept some of what your saying about parents responabilities etc, the problem as I see it is that it isnt so cut and dried in my opinion.
I do agree parents need to be more proactive in there approach to the internet, but I also think the companies supplying services such as computer game companies (since games are so attractive to younger audiences) are also responsible for the content of there games and also there message boards.
You can see CCP taking a responsability for its boards by the simple fact it has blocked certain swear words, and has moderators to make sure the rules are followed who modify or delete certain content here. That in itself shows they are willing to take a stand against behaviour that is not suitable to protect there customer base. So why would they allow gambling advertising?
To me it seems very irresponsable for a Computer gaming company who supplies services to children and adults to help advertise for online gambling companies and competitions they host.
As for the debate that EVE is a game where you take a gamble just leaving space, thats all good and well, but you are not terribly likely to get yourself in real life financial trouble or start yourself down a road of a very harmful addiction doing so.
I do understand it was just a fun competition for most of our community and Im sorry if I have offended people, but I honestly think CCP needs to take even a small amount of responability in protecting there customers.
I cant really bring up smoking or other vices since it doesnt exactly relate to the topic at hand.
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So'Kar
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Posted - 2006.05.29 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Felix Cole Edited by: Felix Cole on 29/05/2006 14:02:17 Pride I didnt reply instantly to it sorry as Ive been cooking and eating dinner. I acctually thought you made some very valid points. However while I can accept some of what your saying about parents responabilities etc, the problem as I see it is that it isnt so cut and dried in my opinion.
I do agree parents need to be more proactive in there approach to the internet, but I also think the companies supplying services such as computer game companies (since games are so attractive to younger audiences) are also responsible for the content of there games and also there message boards.
You can see CCP taking a responsability for its boards by the simple fact it has blocked certain swear words, and has moderators to make sure the rules are followed who modify or delete certain content here. That in itself shows they are willing to take a stand against behaviour that is not suitable to protect there customer base. So why would they allow gambling advertising?
To me it seems very irresponsable for a Computer gaming company who supplies services to children and adults to help advertise for online gambling companies and competitions they host.
As for the debate that EVE is a game where you take a gamble just leaving space, thats all good and well, but you are not terribly likely to get yourself in real life financial trouble or start yourself down a road of a very harmful addiction doing so.
I do understand it was just a fun competition for most of our community and Im sorry if I have offended people, but I honestly think CCP needs to take even a small amount of responability in protecting there customers.
I cant really bring up smoking or other vices since it doesnt exactly relate to the topic at hand.
I also want to add that I am not someone who is Anti Gambling. I just dont think a game company who has many customers who are not adults should be advertising Online Gambling.
Read this and go away.
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denzilmason
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Posted - 2006.05.29 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Think Star Edited by: Think Star on 27/05/2006 22:21:06 CCP is not involved in this in any way, but have graciously allowed us to post information about this tournament here on the forums.
Furthermore, all under age players will not be able or allowed to create an account. This is stated in our rules and regulations section and in our policy statement.
We do not allow underage gambling in any sense of the word. If there is fraud (i.e. an underage winner) the Prizes will be paid out to the runner up.
Furthermore we did not add any cash prizes, because there is not an entry fee, the tournament is completely free to enter. As a result, this tournament series should be more appealing. We intend this to be an event that gives the EVE Community an opportunity to win cool stuff (shipped to their door step) in a game of cards.
We appreciate your concerns.
I agree underage gambling is wrong, if an underage person wins the first prize then they forfet dont they. I think FREE competitions like this are a boost to eve. I would agree with the above post if we had to pay for it unless it was in isk lol.
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Felix Cole
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Posted - 2006.05.29 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: Felix Cole on 29/05/2006 14:43:37 What concerns me is that this thread shows no negatives to gambling at all. Fine its a free competition, but its being held on a site where gambling for real money takes place.
As for comparing this to FanFest advertising, the fanfest was a CCP run, 4Kings Poker competitions arent as CCP clearly stated.
It promotes gambling, not EVE and not once has CCP shown any responsability by warning people of the risks of gambling.
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SavageThrash
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Posted - 2006.05.29 15:22:00 -
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Go badcad (hes cool) and blind man (only cause i didnt make the finals) all the way.
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Ace Combat
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Posted - 2006.05.29 15:22:00 -
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Ignoring the people who like to spoil the fun for everone else
Is the final still on the 1st of june?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I remember the old description for Caldari.. light and nimble ships my ass. :( |
Galk
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Posted - 2006.05.29 15:27:00 -
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I am in agreement with you in fact, but yousting it here is as pointless as discussing the reasoning behind timecodes.
Im in agreement, ccp allowing a gambling company to come into a closed community and promote their products isn't great.. but it's easy to understand.. ccp are in the business of making money
But arguing the downsides gets you nowhere in a thread such as this.. cool things were on offer, people had fun out of it....
You were ofc right with your first post, you should have just left it at that.....
What would ofc be nice to know.... did money change hands between 4kings and ccp....
Or is this some future practice.. where we see more of this sort of thing.. between ccp and 3rd party companys being allowed to exploit the playerbase with these types of offers or promotions...?
Weird realy, ccp.. community manager care to comment? ______ Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free. We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.05.29 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Blind Man on 29/05/2006 15:30:15 TBH, so what if you get addicted, so what if they are trying to get more customers..?
Its your OWN FAULT if you get addicted to gambling and lose money, I play poker for a game - to have fun... and personally never use real money. Not that there is anything wrong with using real money at all - so I dont see why people are complaining about it.
oh btw - people complaining about free stuff, thats a first
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Khatred
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Posted - 2006.05.29 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man Edited by: Blind Man on 29/05/2006 15:30:15 TBH, so what if you get addicted, so what if they are trying to get more customers..?
Its your OWN FAULT if you get addicted to gambling and lose money, I play poker for a game - to have fun... and personally never use real money. Not that there is anything wrong with using real money at all - so I dont see why people are complaining about it.
oh btw - people complaining about free stuff, thats a first
People complaining about free stuff it's nothing new, that's why only several people make it to the the top, the rest are too busy complaining about bits and pieces. _______________________________________________
Every time you whine a little HAC is destroyed. Please think of the little HACs |
Valarkin
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Posted - 2006.05.29 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Valarkin on 29/05/2006 15:51:45
Originally by: Felix Cole I do understand it was just a fun competition for most of our community and Im sorry if I have offended people, but I honestly think CCP needs to take even a small amount of responability in protecting there customers.
We are playing a game which promotes or allows: Market scams. Murder. Piracy. Slavery. Lotteries. Theft. Extortion.
We are playing a game which allows the trade of Slaves. Exotic Dancers. Drugs of many sorts. Spirits. Wine. Tobacco.
We are already able to gamble for isk in the IGB.
We pay to be exposed to these things.
Felix, you really need to get a grip.
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Drilla
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Posted - 2006.05.29 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: jamesw
Originally by: Drilla Nobody got addicted to gambling.
I did
Err did you just call yourself 'nobody'
Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost! |
Drilla
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Posted - 2006.05.29 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Valarkin Edited by: Valarkin on 29/05/2006 15:51:45
Originally by: Felix Cole I do understand it was just a fun competition for most of our community and Im sorry if I have offended people, but I honestly think CCP needs to take even a small amount of responability in protecting there customers.
We are playing a game which promotes or allows: Market scams. Murder. Piracy. Slavery. Lotteries. Theft. Extortion.
We are playing a game which allows the trade of Slaves. Exotic Dancers. Drugs of many sorts. Spirits. Wine. Tobacco.
We are already able to gamble for isk in the IGB.
We pay to be exposed to these things.
Felix, you really need to get a grip.
QFT.
I wouldn't be surprised if Felix is in the group that think GTA players will end up in prison because of a computer game
As Chris Rock once said - what ever happend to plain old CRAZY - now it's the music, movies and computer games' fault that ppl go crazy
Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost! |
Think Star
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Posted - 2006.05.29 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Felix Cole Edited by: Felix Cole on 29/05/2006 14:02:17 Pride I didnt reply instantly to it sorry as Ive been cooking and eating dinner. I acctually thought you made some very valid points. However while I can accept some of what your saying about parents responabilities etc, the problem as I see it is that it isnt so cut and dried in my opinion.
I do agree parents need to be more proactive in there approach to the internet, but I also think the companies supplying services such as computer game companies (since games are so attractive to younger audiences) are also responsible for the content of there games and also there message boards.
You can see CCP taking a responsability for its boards by the simple fact it has blocked certain swear words, and has moderators to make sure the rules are followed who modify or delete certain content here. That in itself shows they are willing to take a stand against behaviour that is not suitable to protect there customer base. So why would they allow gambling advertising?
To me it seems very irresponsable for a Computer gaming company who supplies services to children and adults to help advertise for online gambling companies and competitions they host.
As for the debate that EVE is a game where you take a gamble just leaving space, thats all good and well, but you are not terribly likely to get yourself in real life financial trouble or start yourself down a road of a very harmful addiction doing so.
I do understand it was just a fun competition for most of our community and Im sorry if I have offended people, but I honestly think CCP needs to take even a small amount of responability in protecting there customers.
I cant really bring up smoking or other vices since it doesnt exactly relate to the topic at hand.
I also want to add that I am not someone who is Anti Gambling. I just dont think a game company who has many customers who are not adults should be advertising Online Gambling.
We here at 4kings appreciate your feedback and concerns. In future tournaments, we need to be more explicit that itĘs for adults over 18; and over 21 in relevant jurisdictions.
I will state here once more that CCP is not involved in this in any way, but have graciously allowed us to post information about this tournament here on the forums.
Furthermore, all under age players will not be able or allowed to create an account. This is stated in our rules and regulations section and in our policy statement.
We do not allow underage gambling in any sense of the word. If there is fraud (i.e. an underage winner) the Prizes will be paid out to the runner up.
Originally by: Wrangler Ok, I think everyone has to calm down here a bit. There are some facts you should recognize before critizing this:
1. Entry is free! 2. You play with chips, not money, no money is involved. That means you play for free! 3. If you win, you win stuff, good stuff, free stuff! You don't win money! 4. Since I can't say this enough, you don't have to pay anything to play at all! 5. You don't have to pay any shipping, handling, customs fees or any form of taxes related to the prize, it is all covered by 4kings.
The only difference between this and playing poker in school for matches is that you actually get something if you win. However, you don't lose anything.
This is a TEEN rated forum, but we did announce the Fan Fest on it, and that is also something which is restricted to 18 y olds and above.
As for morals of playing poker, you are free to start your own thread on it in the Out Of Pod Experience forum, but it is off topic for this thread.
EDIT: Some errors have been fixed on their site, which means we deleted the post concerning those errors. Feel free to post if you experience any problems in the future though.
4Kings representative 4Kings.com [email protected] |
Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.29 16:06:00 -
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Edited by: Sarmaul on 29/05/2006 16:06:43
Originally by: Drilla
Originally by: "someone"
Originally by: Felix Cole I do understand it was just a fun competition for most of our community and Im sorry if I have offended people, but I honestly think CCP needs to take even a small amount of responability in protecting there customers.
We are playing a game which promotes or allows: Market scams. Murder. Piracy. Slavery. Lotteries. Theft. Extortion.
We are playing a game which allows the trade of Slaves. Exotic Dancers. Drugs of many sorts. Spirits. Wine. Tobacco.
We are already able to gamble for isk in the IGB.
We pay to be exposed to these things.
Felix, you really need to get a grip.
QFT.
I wouldn't be surprised if Felix is in the group that think GTA players will end up in prison because of a computer game
As Chris Rock once said - what ever happend to plain old CRAZY - now it's the music, movies and computer games' fault that ppl go crazy
Yet we're repeatedly told that we're not allowed to see words like ****, ****, ****er and so on because the game has a teen rating. I believe this wonderful quote from the south-park movie sums it up perfectly:
"Horrific, deplorable violence is okay, as long as people don't say any naughty woids."
And you have to love how the mods have been doing a good job of deleting almost every piece of critisim about the tournement in this thread. Felix is NOT the only person who has been bringing these issues up, it's just that the mods haven't gotten around to killing his posts.
Originally by: General Apocalypse the game is very well balanced
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Drilla
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Posted - 2006.05.29 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul ...it's just that the mods haven't gotten around to killing his posts.
Which they should as all the people voicing concerns are either ilinformed or overreacting.
EOD.
Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost! |
Think Star
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Posted - 2006.05.29 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ace Combat Ignoring the people who like to spoil the fun for everone else
Is the final still on the 1st of june?
We will send an email to all the finalist and have a vote on the finals date.
4Kings representative 4Kings.com [email protected] |
Think Star
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Posted - 2006.05.29 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Galk I am in agreement with you in fact, but yousting it here is as pointless as discussing the reasoning behind timecodes.
Im in agreement, ccp allowing a gambling company to come into a closed community and promote their products isn't great.. but it's easy to understand.. ccp are in the business of making money
But arguing the downsides gets you nowhere in a thread such as this.. cool things were on offer, people had fun out of it....
You were ofc right with your first post, you should have just left it at that.....
What would ofc be nice to know.... did money change hands between 4kings and ccp....
Or is this some future practice.. where we see more of this sort of thing.. between ccp and 3rd party companys being allowed to exploit the playerbase with these types of offers or promotions...?
Weird realy, ccp.. community manager care to comment?
CCP is not involved in this in any way, but have graciously allowed us to post information about this tournament here on the forums.
There was no money exchange between us and CCP.
Read the 1st thread or the thread in whole and you will get a full understanding of this promotion.
4Kings representative 4Kings.com [email protected] |
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.29 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Drilla
Originally by: Sarmaul ...it's just that the mods haven't gotten around to killing his posts.
Which they should as all the people voicing concerns are either ilinformed or overreacting.
EOD.
if the moderators deleted all posts that were illinformed or overreacting, the forums would be almost empty
Originally by: General Apocalypse the game is very well balanced
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.29 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Think Star CCP is not involved in this in any way, but have graciously allowed us to post information about this tournament here on the forums.
There was no money exchange between us and CCP.
Read the 1st thread or the thread in whole and you will get a full understanding of this promotion.
The promotion is for EVE-Online and Keiron has stated it went through the marketing department, and you will have needed their permission to run the tourney. Therefore, CCP are involved whether you paid them or not.
Originally by: General Apocalypse the game is very well balanced
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2006.05.29 16:24:00 -
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Felix, did you by any chance want Harry Potter books banned, because they make magic believable?
Are you one of them folks that wants Tobacco (the ingame item) removed because us kids might start smoking because of it?
Are you among the whole "Violent games are bad for kids" lobbyists?
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Nightly
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Posted - 2006.05.29 16:52:00 -
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Edited by: Nightly on 29/05/2006 16:53:08 So so typical that a few people having a bit of fun gets hyjacked by half-witted, hysterical carebears.
The site is for over 18 only and this is made perfectly clear!! If you're under 18 wanted to go gamble, go on the interweb, you will find loads of adverts and references to it other than this (rather petite) reference here.
Honestly, some people just aren't happy unless they have something to moan about. Years ago they would be the Mary Whitehouses of the world writing in to complain about seeing a ***** on TV.
LET US ENJOY OUR POKER AND GO LOCK YOUR KIDS IN THE CUPBOARD WHERE THEY CAN'T COME TO ANY HARM
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.05.29 16:58:00 -
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No one is saying you can't post about gambling, or why CCP allows this event. All I'm saying is that it is off topic for this thread. If you feel so strongly about it, go create your own thread and discuss it there, provided it follows the rules we're certainly not going to stop you.
However, since that type of discussion is off topic for this thread it will be deleted. Discussing moderator actions is not allowed and will be deleted. I'll allow the posts up until now, but future posts of this nature will be removed and you may be warned. Posts discussing this post will be considered discussing moderation and that will be removed as well.
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MASTERZULU
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Posted - 2006.05.29 18:02:00 -
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Myself and a lot of the others involved have had a lot of fun in this tourney.
There is really no need to keep derailing this thread with your anti this and anti that views, just let us who come here to have fun actually have fun.
I'm an adult, i like to play poker for fun, in fact i've been playing online poker games for years and have never felt the need to induldge with one pence of my money.
Anywho, Bring one the final, i got some aces up my sleave ---
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Zaroastr
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Posted - 2006.05.29 19:03:00 -
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Please do this again so I can win :D
I stayed up very late for the third satellite since I failed in the first two, every time improving my play. Had insane loads of fun, especially since quite a few persons around the tables were recognizable (LV took my chips). I really really hope this will be repeated.
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Turiel Demon
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Posted - 2006.05.29 19:29:00 -
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So, is there any way to play poker vs other eve players for isk? Eve-poker.com only does solo play ----
nothing to see here, move along nicely now, is that a pink dread out there. aaww you just missed it -eris It's not an Eidolon with 5 Basic Miner's on it, that's for certain.(FF04) ~kieron No love for me? :'( - Wrangler If you can't beat Eris, join her, hmmm that sounded so much better in my head - Cortes Cuddles Eeyore. He's soooo cute and doesn't play EVE. perfect -eris Eve-online Forum mods arn't Pokemon, you don't need to collect them all - Ductoris Here's my autograph - now do I get some groupie lub? Jacques' Don't be greedy :P -Capsicum |
denzilmason
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Posted - 2006.05.29 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Think Star
Originally by: Ace Combat Ignoring the people who like to spoil the fun for everone else
Is the final still on the 1st of june?
We will send an email to all the finalist and have a vote on the finals date.
God I hope it dosn't change it's my last day off work that day. PLEASE PLEASE DONT lol
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Drilla
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Posted - 2006.05.29 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Turiel Demon So, is there any way to play poker vs other eve players for isk? Eve-poker.com only does solo play
http://www.e-games.com/poker_tourny.php
Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost! |
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