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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:45:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote: the industry standard set forth by other successful companies.
Like Hasbro, Games Workshop, Parker Brothers, Avalon Hill, Amarillo Design Bureau, EA, SSI, Wizards of The Coast, Catalyst Design Buerau, Konami, Activision, Microsoft, Fantasy Flight and Wargaming Inc?
Those companies you mean?
Because their definition appears to differ from yours as to how much minimum content is in an expansion. "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6433
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:45:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: "free to play" junk.
Id just like to say WoT is fun to me, though on the pC I became slightly addicted to gold for a while But its as cruel as mistress as EvE Either you understand armour physics or you dont, simples
I tried WoT, but all the vehicles were (wait for it........) -Armor Tankers- and i wanted to train shields. Freaking amarrians everywhere.
What? What do you mean step away from the EVE, you go to hell!!
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4152
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:49:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: "free to play" junk.
Id just like to say WoT is fun to me, though on the pC I became slightly addicted to gold for a while But its as cruel as mistress as EvE Either you understand armour physics or you dont, simples I tried WoT, but all the vehicles were (wait for it........) -Armor Tankers- and i wanted to train shields. Freaking amarrians everywhere. What? What do you mean step away from the EVE, you go to hell!!
PzII and M5 Stuart are speed tankers
And a IS-2 parked in the right place makes fantastic tackle lol "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Zack Korth
Livid CO.
303
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:54:00 -
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I think for the same reason many people don't go to low or null sec- they like playing alone, you can play alone in EvE, but you'll never experience 80% of the game. Unfortunately, the fun stuff requires API keys, a constant presence on comms where people will talk about **** no one cares about in excess, and an abandonment of other types of gameplay. EvE is overwhelming to the new player, I wonder what the retention rate is, of people who create their first account, then go on to keep playing longer than a year, i'll bet it's pretty small.. in short, eve sucks at giving a good first impression, along with the illusion that you won't be good at anything for months, it takes a while to realize that eve is the only mmo worth playing. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4152
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:55:00 -
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Zack Korth wrote:I think for the same reason many people don't go to low or null sec- they like playing alone
Much easier to get in and out on your own than with a herd of cats "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
754
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:56:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:What I dont understand is;
when several of the above posters say;
EvE is bad for new players because X Y Z make it a bad environment
Which is the game they currently pay to play.
This game is a free roaming environment.
The truth is that most so-called video game players either do not know what to do with this freedom or find it intimidating.
You cannot blame the poor single-player experience for why more people dont enjoy the open-ended sandbox.
And you cannot say that the apple that is EvE is broken for not being an orange. This pretty much.
People are used to being told what to do in a game. Remove insurance. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
242
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:57:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Faction warfare, for example has become button spinning or getting jumped or jumping on others with boosted gangs. There is nowhere that people can 1v1 PvP without getting whelped. One engages ten jump in and kill. Hey I do it myself, thats the way it is set up, shame to waste the opportunity for some fun. But no way is it a place for a novice alone.
So not new player friendly unless they have already made the jump into a corp or group. It was meant to be a proving ground, where people could earn their spurs, with 1v1 PvP , and gain experience and have fun. Now it is a place to go to kill things, not to fight. Mate, this is simply not true. Seriously, do you even know what you're talking about? I get tons of 1v1s in FW, since I joined (solo at first) as a 1-month old player.
Also, what's with this 'used to be great, now it's bad' crap??? I've been playing just 9 months, but I'd bet 100 PLEX that EVE was ALWAYS about 10v1 gangbangs, if the '1' doesn't pay attention. |
Beta Maoye
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2014.05.12 19:02:00 -
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Staying in EVE is not about whether a player like to social or not. Both PVE and PVP players love social interaction with other players. Actually I think PVE players chat in private channel mostly for the purpose of social interaction. PVP players banded together for mixed reasons including social interaction, tactical advantage, political participation, intelligence exchange.
EVE is PVP. Generally speaking, 80% of game players are average players. Average players love PVE. Only 20% of game players with highly competitive character love PVP activities. They have the desire to win, the desire to overcome challenge, the desire to succeed. I think these characteristics are essential for those newbies who can stay in EVE and become long term players. When the best resources, best ships, best spaces are in the hand of veteran, new players really need to have iron will to stay to fight and compete with the elders.
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Goatman NotMyFault
NorCorp Shipyards The Predictables
116
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Posted - 2014.05.12 19:10:00 -
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To put that post in Features & Ideas Discussion will only get it closed since the mods will say it hasnt a New idea or something. Further OP has more come With a opinion than an idea and mods loves to Close Down threads that have a negative view on eve. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1114
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Posted - 2014.05.12 19:29:00 -
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Quote:CCP isn't showing any signs of distress.
Read their 2013 financial statement.
Quote:Because their definition appears to differ from yours as to how much minimum content is in an expansion.
Still more than anything CCP has released since Tuesday, 10th March 2009.
Also, CCP admitted as much and changed their rollout structure. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
2316
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Posted - 2014.05.12 19:32:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote: also, i think downtown detroit and crack houses are massively interesting places; just not interesting enough to risk my life for. so a risk free version of that sounds ideal, really. they have a certain je ne sais quois.
As soon as I learn how to respawn, I'd be happy to go on that raid. "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion |
Organic Lager
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
50
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Posted - 2014.05.12 19:32:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:What I dont understand is;
when several of the above posters say;
EvE is bad for new players because X Y Z make it a bad environment
Which is the game they currently pay to play.
This game is a free roaming environment.
The truth is that most so-called video game players either do not know what to do with this freedom or find it intimidating.
You cannot blame the poor single-player experience for why more people dont enjoy the open-ended sandbox.
And you cannot say that the apple that is EvE is broken for not being an orange.
I think this idea of "freedom" and "openess" is greatly over estimated by vet players.
Joining a corp can take weeks if not months (due to awoxing) and generally offer very little to new players aside from mixed advice of what to do and skill for depending on who is currently on.
Learning to pvp is like learning to play hockey in the nhl.
SPs take for ever to train and require dedication to a certain path.
WHs, null and low are no place for beginners, sure it's fun if your corp is on but if you end up out there alone it's log out or wait time.
Travel takes forever, "hey bro come (mission, mine, explore, etc.) with me" .. "Ok i'm 23 jumps away" (30 minutes later) "i'm going to log out now we'll run together tomorrow"
And people wonder why new players gravitate to solo mission running and mining. It's always available, requires little set up, has a normal progression, and no one is going to blow you up while you sit there scratching your heading wondering wtf just happend.
I don't think this game can be fixed without ruining the eve we all love. It's simply destined to be a niche game with a tight playerbase. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4156
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Posted - 2014.05.12 19:35:00 -
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Organic Lager wrote: I think this idea of "freedom" and "openess" is greatly over estimated by vet players.
Apart from experience taking time to learn, in what other way are you restricted?
Because the crux of your counter-point seems to be that it takes time to do stuff. "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
245
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Posted - 2014.05.12 19:42:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:CCP isn't showing any signs of distress. Read their 2013 financial statement. The one with the WoD write-off? Doesn't prove anything about EVE profitability. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1114
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Posted - 2014.05.12 19:46:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:CCP isn't showing any signs of distress. Read their 2013 financial statement. The one with the WoD write-off? Doesn't prove anything about EVE profitability.
It directly does. Read it.
The problem isn't Eve profitability, but CCP's financials are directly tied to its lifeline.
Anyway the ultimate point is the reason its not more popular is because of the way its developed. Knee jerk responses to drops in subs while trying to maintain too many projects with no return.
I'm glad they dumped one of the five, but they should really be woprking on only 2, and should have been the whole time;
1. Spaceships 2. WiS. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Organic Lager
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
50
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Posted - 2014.05.12 19:48:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Organic Lager wrote: I think this idea of "freedom" and "openess" is greatly over estimated by vet players.
Apart from experience taking time to learn, in what other way are you restricted? Because the crux of your counter-point seems to be that it takes time to do stuff. You say it cant be fixed. I say it isnt broken.
Well lets see, off the top of my head
Isk, SP, knowledge, corp mates, time
Time being a very big one seeing as how if you don't have at least 2+ hours of dedicated uninterrupted playtime you are very limited. Not to mention very hard to schedule with others if you can only get on for a couple hours at a time. This limitation is amplified if you have low sp, isk and knowledge.
Edit: I'm not saying it's broken either. Just stating what the issue for new players is and i don't see a way to make it easier for them without completely fubar'ing eve |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
2316
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Posted - 2014.05.12 19:48:00 -
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Organic Lager wrote: WHs, null and low are no place for beginners, sure it's fun if your corp is on but if you end up out there alone it's log out or wait time.
And yet a corp composed of and run by newbies started in low, became an alliance, now holds Sov, and just elected a guy to the CSM. I hear they even still allow fresh newbies to join. Goonswarm started the same way, and still takes in newbies assuming they come from the Something Awful forums. Eve University's raison d'+¬tre is educating newbros and they have a presence in every kind of space and I'm pretty sure someone is always on. RvB (hundreds of pilots) take anyone. Stay Frosty (200+pilots), takes anyone.
Heck, join the New Order and gank miners for fun and profit. There are 54 people sitting in channel right now.
Yes joining some duffers corp full of 10 pilots (5 of them the CEO's alts) may not work out for the newbro. So don't join that sort of corp. Easy peasy. "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6433
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Posted - 2014.05.12 19:50:00 -
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Anyone else notice that for the people who already have issues with how EVE is, the 'reason' EVE isn't more popular seems to line up exactly with what they personally dislike about EVE??
Curious that is. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4157
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Posted - 2014.05.12 19:55:00 -
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Organic Lager wrote: Well lets see, off the top of my head
Isk, SP, knowledge, corp mates, time
Time being a very big one seeing as how if you don't have at least 2+ hours of dedicated uninterrupted playtime you are very limited. Not to mention very hard to schedule with others if you can only get on for a couple hours at a time. This limitation is amplified if you have low sp, isk and knowledge.
Edit: I'm not saying it's broken either. Just stating what the issue for new players is and i don't see a way to make it easier for them without completely fubar'ing eve
So... time... as you mentioned before.
And yes, two hours would be the minimum playtime at least every few days if not more often that you would need to put into an MMORPG of EvE's calibre to get anything approximating the most out of it.
And even then Id say its nothing like enough.
As for low SP and Isk, well those are hardly barriers in your way. Within 48hrs you can be ratting in lowsec no problem at all if you follow a sensible (and easily found) skill queue.
If 500,000isk frigates are too expensive for you, Im not sure what you are doing wring, especially as many of them are free, as are destroyers, mining figs and industrial haulers.
Basically, there is nothing that you cannot do if you put your mind to it, and so I will give you the knowledge limitation. So you go out there and learn
TL:DR; If learning new things and reading new stuff and using your brain to work around problems is something that you avoid in Real LIfe, then EvE is not for you "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1116
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Posted - 2014.05.12 19:58:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Organic Lager wrote: Well lets see, off the top of my head
Isk, SP, knowledge, corp mates, time
Time being a very big one seeing as how if you don't have at least 2+ hours of dedicated uninterrupted playtime you are very limited. Not to mention very hard to schedule with others if you can only get on for a couple hours at a time. This limitation is amplified if you have low sp, isk and knowledge.
Edit: I'm not saying it's broken either. Just stating what the issue for new players is and i don't see a way to make it easier for them without completely fubar'ing eve
So... time... as you mentioned before. And yes, two hours would be the minimum playtime at least every few days if not more often that you would need to put into an MMORPG of EvE's calibre to get anything approximating the most out of it. And even then Id say its nothing like enough. As for low SP and Isk, well those are hardly barriers in your way. Within 48hrs you can be ratting in lowsec no problem at all if you follow a sensible (and easily found) skill queue. If 500,000isk frigates are too expensive for you, Im not sure what you are doing wring, especially as many of them are free, as are destroyers, mining figs and industrial haulers. Basically, there is nothing that you cannot do if you put your mind to it, and so I will give you the knowledge limitation. So you go out there and learn TL:DR; If learning new things and reading new stuff and using your brain to work around problems is something that you avoid in Real LIfe, then EvE is not for you
TL;DR I managed to get past the first couple of years where your character can't do **** to make money unless they are grandfathered in, so everyone else who can't follow that path is too dumb for eve.
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
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Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
463
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Posted - 2014.05.12 20:00:00 -
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Let's try this from another approach...
If you never played World of Warcraft before, then if you were looking for a game, would you try it now after it has had it moment in the sun?
How about EverQuest or EverQuest II? I'm pretty sure Sony has some servers running them still.
Or go back further - Ultima Online!
People are not prone to jump into an established game with a long history. People rather be on the ground floor of something new, not following in the footsteps of thousands of players before them. Plus without checking out ads from ten years ago, I am pretty sure Eve was touted as shooting ships apart, Current ads have a similar feel. Anybody might feel the game has not progressed beyond that.
Just a thought. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1509
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Posted - 2014.05.12 20:02:00 -
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Quote:some explorers will end up stealing your loot
I wonder if anyone stopped playing when I ran away with "his" 500M worth module. When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues.
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Dave Stark
5551
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Posted - 2014.05.12 20:07:00 -
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Guttripper wrote:If you never played World of Warcraft before, then if you were looking for a game, would you try it now after it has had it moment in the sun?
no, but that's because i don't want a game where progress is measured in "how many days have you done the same thing over and over" rather than a game where progress is measured in almost any metric you like depending upon how you play where you're free to do literally anything you want.
you're trying to compare apples to the eiffel tower. |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
616
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Posted - 2014.05.12 20:18:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote: The thing that keeps me in Eve and has driven all my online friends away is the lack of skill and loot grind. Most mmo's have in place a mechanism that rewards those that can raid 23/7 to get the most level and loot. This is not the case in eve. If I play for ten years I will have more SP and options than the 1 month old player. Most newer players canGÇÖt get past this and donGÇÖt understand you have to find the role your SP allow to fill and one you like.
Welp, that's stroke #4 I've had caused by clicking the like button, check your EVEmail tomorrow for the bill to my obamacare premiums that are now sky high. LOL it goes to show even polar opposites can find common ground in EvE. |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
616
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Posted - 2014.05.12 20:24:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:It has almost nothing to do with NPC AI. And you are incorrect, it has changed a lot in the last 6 years that i have been playing.
It has to do with the fact that the game has real loss, it has to do with the fact that they try to release an expansion every 6 months but it is usually just a patch, and it has to do with the terrible representation of the player base. I would agree it also has alot to do with real loss. Other mmo's when you die you respawn with all your stuff. I dont care how much isk you have if you loose a 5 billion isk ship it still puts that knot in you stomach. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1118
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Posted - 2014.05.12 20:29:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:It has almost nothing to do with NPC AI. And you are incorrect, it has changed a lot in the last 6 years that i have been playing.
It has to do with the fact that the game has real loss, it has to do with the fact that they try to release an expansion every 6 months but it is usually just a patch, and it has to do with the terrible representation of the player base. I would agree it also has alot to do with real loss. Other mmo's when you die you respawn with all your stuff. I dont care how much isk you have if you loose a 5 billion isk ship it still puts that knot in you stomach.
Yup. Last year I was waiting on a check, and my car was not legal to drive. I got pulled over, and of course got that knot.
The same week, I almost lost a Vargur. That felt worse, and I didn't even lose it.
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Rikanin
30plus Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
98
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Posted - 2014.05.12 20:33:00 -
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Forum mod or troll? I vote troll.
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1784
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Posted - 2014.05.12 20:37:00 -
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Getting a cookie in eve is hard. Most people do something rather tedious for a rather long while just to get enough isk for a cookie or two. Then some ass-hole comes along, shanks you with a spoon, and takes your cookie. No more cookie for you, and you cry a bit while your cookie-less spoon-shanked spilled guts slowly diffuse out of your frozen corpse into the nothingness of space.
Getting cookies in other MMOs is easy. Other MMOs have spoon-free zones where cookie shanking is a no-no. And each passing day those other games throw more and more cookies your way until you come down with the 'beetus, and then they have you for life 'cause your legs stop working and you can't get out of your chair. |
Organic Lager
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
51
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Posted - 2014.05.12 20:46:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Organic Lager wrote: Well lets see, off the top of my head
Isk, SP, knowledge, corp mates, time
Time being a very big one seeing as how if you don't have at least 2+ hours of dedicated uninterrupted playtime you are very limited. Not to mention very hard to schedule with others if you can only get on for a couple hours at a time. This limitation is amplified if you have low sp, isk and knowledge.
Edit: I'm not saying it's broken either. Just stating what the issue for new players is and i don't see a way to make it easier for them without completely fubar'ing eve
So... time... as you mentioned before. And yes, two hours would be the minimum playtime at least every few days if not more often that you would need to put into an MMORPG of EvE's calibre to get anything approximating the most out of it. And even then Id say its nothing like enough. As for low SP and Isk, well those are hardly barriers in your way. Within 48hrs you can be ratting in lowsec no problem at all if you follow a sensible (and easily found) skill queue. If 500,000isk frigates are too expensive for you, Im not sure what you are doing wring, especially as many of them are free, as are destroyers, mining figs and industrial haulers. Basically, there is nothing that you cannot do if you put your mind to it, and so I will give you the knowledge limitation. So you go out there and learn TL:DR; If learning new things and reading new stuff and using your brain to work around problems is something that you avoid in Real LIfe, then EvE is not for you Also, have you seen how old this toon is? For at least 3/4ths of my life I havent trained any skills.
Yes time and ease of access.
Take WoW as the gold standard for mmos (by sales) If i want to pvp i simply push a button and boom i'm pvping If i want to team up with a buddy i push a button and warp beside him and start fighting If i have time and want to do a large scale raid i push a button and boom i'm raiding
Now take eve If i want to pvp i have to fit a ship (which is limited by my skills and isk) then make several jumps out to low sec where i will probably get instantly baptised by a gang of 6 guys If i want to team up with my buddy, once again i need to fit a ship make 20+ jumps through high sec and hope i have the proper skills to allow me to do the activity he wants. If i want to run an incursion or a high level wh i need to find a fleet of trust worthy people and be skilled out the ass.
All of the above require at least 2 hours of consecutive game play time. If i only have 30-60 minutes it's mission, mine or ship spin
Of course as someone mentioned i could join rvb for instant pvp fun but then i'm restricted to 24/7 pvp and only pvp. Or i could join a null sec or wh corp but then like rvb i'm restricted to 24/7 wh/null activity which is usually limited to who is on.
Once again not saying anything is broken or needs changing just answering why more people don't play |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1474
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Posted - 2014.05.12 20:46:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Quote:some explorers will end up stealing your loot I wonder if anyone stopped playing when I ran away with "his" 500M worth module. seriously i think i made one person out of the game..... killed his retriever (about 40 milloion ISK) got bounty to my head about 300million with non-round numbers.... (i'm pretty sure he dropped all his money to it)
and never seen him again The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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