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Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:26:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Kenneth Feld wrote:Micheal York Solette wrote:Hi I have a suggestion. If all the BPO's & BPC's can be accessed in the cans then we can lock those down in Aduit Cans. Set it up so that a Corp can lock down the Aduit cans so they don't get stolen and that way we can bring in new members in to the Corps without mixing up BPO's. This also means no one can steal them ethier, it's easier for a Corp to relocate, or just moving the BPO's somewhere to research them. And for the BPO thiefs out there after you have the BPO's you could boot the guy out of Corp even if you don't know the Password because in 30 days after you can repackage those cans and then the BPO's are unlock and yours. I know as a Ceo that Locking and Unlock large amounts of BPO's has always been a pain. This would go a long way to help resolve this problem. MYS You can already do this - remove the ability to take containers from a POS module - lock container The point of lock is to let people use but not take. The regular "can't take" means they also can't start a job using.
You can't "Take" locked down BPO's either, but you can use for jobs. Not sure why this would be any different. They said you can start jobs from cans.
maybe this is a reason it is getting pushed back???
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Lyn Fel
Black Frog Logistics Red-Frog
25
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:27:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Kenneth Feld wrote:Freighter and Jump Freighter rebalancing - Kinda industry, but also ship rabalancing...
Kronos or Crius?? Kronos. All of the previously announced ship and module balancing is still scheduled for Kronos. The one exception is the capital jump drive fuel use increase which is being delayed to Crius.
Could we get some numbers on the new smaller base cargohold sizes of Freighters and Jump Freighters? I just happen know a lot of players who are interested in this.
If you wanted to be really nice you could throw in cargohold sizes with various T1/T2 cargo expander options installed as well. |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
680
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:28:00 -
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Takes some serious balls these days to delay something simply because you feel it's not ready. But I do feel this is the right decision, there were a lot of loose ends to be tied up before release and I think this is the best way to deal with it, instead of fixing half of it after release.
Please follow your gut feeling more often in the future! We all rather have something delayed but working instead of arriving too early and completely broken. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
333
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:29:00 -
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I not only understand but fully support this decision. I am glad you are taking this expansion seriously.
Thank you for your diligence.
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Danny Centauri
Silver Octopus Infernal Octopus
89
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:30:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:So... last expansion of old release cycle is even smaller than before? Well, that's... interesting. The Kronos release on 3 June is the first release in the new model.
Also do you not realise how big Kronos was going to be? I started writing and got to 7,000 words after 3 days... trust me Kronos even after the indy cuts is still anything but small and the indy changes are 90% of the way there too win win if you ask me. EVE Manufacturing Guide - Simple guides to manufacturing in EVE for both beginners and more experienced players. |
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CCP RubberBAND
CCP Engineering Corp CCP Engineering Alliance
324
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:33:00 -
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Some people have asked for a comprehensive list of what's going into Kronos and what's going into Crius.
We are working on a list internally which will include all of this information and make it available to you soon. In fact we have plans for the Kronos release to go to Singularity very soon. In summary however most of the details can be found in the news article:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/industry-features-coming-in-the-crius-release/
The Kronos release, coming out on June 3rd, will include all other features announced in development blogs and during the EVE Online keynote at Fanfest, such as the 3 new Mordu's Legion ships, the new advanced mining frigate, changes to low sec sites and faction warfare, new warp-in effects, rebalanced and redesigned ships, drone rebalance, faction themed stations and sound customization.
If it relates to game balance that does not strictly involve or impact Industry then you can expect it will go out in the Kronos release on June 3rd. Redesigned ships includes new models in case that was unclear.
Changes to Starbases, Reprocessing and Compression, Material requirements, Research, the Industry UI/UX or anything else covered in the 6 Industry blogs you can expect to go out with the Crius release on July 22nd.
Hope that clarifies things for most people. You can expect more details in the days and weeks leading up to Kronos on June 3rd. However if there are specific changes that you are unsure about when they are being released feel free to ask and we will tell you where it slots in. Feel free to poke me on: Twitter |
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Axe Coldon
Coldon Enterprises Axion Bionics
27
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:38:00 -
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Well I am bummed it's delayed but I will survive. Once I took it all in I am for the changes. So looking forward to increased compression on ores. Honestly making guns and reprocessing guns is a pain. We ran the numbers on the new compressions and unless my math guy messed up I will like that much better.
I hope the rigs to freighters are in the June 2nd release. |
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
42
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:44:00 -
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Lyn Fel wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Kenneth Feld wrote:Freighter and Jump Freighter rebalancing - Kinda industry, but also ship rabalancing...
Kronos or Crius?? Kronos. All of the previously announced ship and module balancing is still scheduled for Kronos. The one exception is the capital jump drive fuel use increase which is being delayed to Crius. Could we get some numbers on the new smaller base cargohold sizes of Freighters and Jump Freighters? I just happen know a lot of players who are interested in this. If you wanted to be really nice you could throw in cargohold sizes with various T1/T2 cargo expander options installed as well.
Hmm, where was this mentioned. I saw the stream and nothing mentioned. There was supposed to be a dev blog outlining the changes and well, nothing there either. They specifically said they wanted to help industry, not make them spend another billion on rigs to get back to the same sizes. |
Potions Master
GearBunny Redrum Fleet
4
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:46:00 -
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Thank you RubberBand, I was just looking for some kind of bullet point list showing what was going to be in Kronos and what was moved to Crius.
As an aside, are there any parts of the industry revamp that can be released earlier? Or have they all been integrated into each other as some sort of giant black box where no piece functions without the others? From an outside point of view, several of the things look like they could be released on their own without the others to let us slowly build up to the full suite.
I also see no mention of where the anchoring IV change for Starbase Defense Management has gone. I assume it's a Kronos change though... (Btw, would be nice for gunnery skills to effect starbase modules, it would make up for the few stat upgrades they've had over the years. A renaming of the guns to indicate their ammo usage wouldn't be too unwelcome as well, as they all use the size up from their name. Small = Medium, etc...) |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1820
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:47:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:So... last expansion of old release cycle is even smaller than before? Well, that's... interesting. The Kronos release on 3 June is the first release in the new model.
Mmkey. I assumed you wanted to finish old era with big bang on indy front and start new one with something we don't know about yet. But thanks for clarifying.
Danny Centauri wrote:Also do you not realise how big Kronos was going to be? I started writing and got to 7,000 words after 3 days... trust me Kronos even after the indy cuts is still anything but small and the indy changes are 90% of the way there too win win if you ask me.
Indy is what will shake the landscape, scram kiting frying pan slugging missiles won't. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
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Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
425
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:51:00 -
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Given the amount of unrest I've read about in the various player blogs, regarding the industry changes, this was certainly a smart decision.
However, with the new 6 week release cycles, I don't think you need to "promise" to have the industry changes ready for Crius, either. You are putting yourselves in the same untenable position of committing to getting a bunch of changes out by a specific date, whether they are ready or not.
The new release cycles don't require that you do this nonsense anymore, so don't.
When the indusctry changes are 100% ready to go and all valid player concerns have been addressed, then you can announce it and roll it out. If that happens to be Crius, fine; if it happens to be the release after Crius, also fine.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
680
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:58:00 -
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Sizeof Void wrote:Given the amount of unrest I've read about in the various player blogs, regarding the industry changes, this was certainly a smart decision.
However, with the new 6 week release cycles, I don't think you need to "promise" to have the industry changes ready for Crius, either. You are putting yourselves in the same untenable position of committing to getting a bunch of changes out by a specific date, whether they are ready or not.
The new release cycles don't require that you do this nonsense anymore, so don't.
When the indusctry changes are 100% ready to go and all valid player concerns have been addressed, then you can announce it and roll it out. If that happens to be Crius, fine; if it happens to be the release after Crius, also fine.
With any other feature after this, I'd say yes. Don't focus on a date, but focus on the content and ship it when it's ready. That's the entire point of the new release system.
However in the case of industry I feel there has been so much hype already generated that pushing it back for 12 weeks or longer might be a bad PR decision. I can understand the need for CCP to attach a date to this. Also the majority of the release is already finished. CCP might feel that an additional 6 weeks is more than enough time to work out the rough edges. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
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CCP Greyscale
C C P C C P Alliance
2104
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:58:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Glad to see that there will be time to tweak the things that have been mentioned as needing a bit of work. From memory, I think those are:
1) POS - the new lowsec array and making the arrays have some sort of cost thingie 2) Copying - Figuring out the correct formula and other tweeks needed (e.g. capital component bpc amounts increasing)_ 3) Correct application of these changes to t2 bpos
Any others?
I will be diving back into both of my blog threads tomorrow, Fanfest and then waiting for this announcement has delayed me posting anything last week :) |
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Flay Nardieu
Forgotten Union of Knackered Tradesfolk Universal Rockstars
34
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:58:00 -
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Under current convention and almost certainly after the relevant release if you can view it you can use it in regards to BPs, being able to remove isn't necessary. In fact working from within audit containers will be a boon to corps that allow members to do private work on their personal print sets and long overdue. Losing the remote from station corp office is the only fly in the soup in regards to Blueprint use and storage. So... I am a carebear, Really?-á Ok.... I'll be CRAZY Bear then! |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3591
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Posted - 2014.05.12 23:21:00 -
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I'm thankful, and surprised, because delaying the release is the right thing to do.
Repeatedly being given non-committal answers by CCP, as well as generalities like "we don't know" or "something like" a few short weeks before the release seemed ridiculous to me, i.e. a lot hadn't been done or even thought of yet.
Kudos to CCP.
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Dirk MacGirk
Specter Syndicate Tactical Narcotics Team
30
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Posted - 2014.05.12 23:22:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:So... last expansion of old release cycle is even smaller than before? Well, that's... interesting. The Kronos release on 3 June is the first release in the new model.
Haha - it is now. |
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CCP RubberBAND
CCP Engineering Corp CCP Engineering Alliance
327
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Posted - 2014.05.12 23:25:00 -
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Potions Master wrote:Thank you RubberBand, I was just looking for some kind of bullet point list showing what was going to be in Kronos and what was moved to Crius.
As an aside, are there any parts of the industry revamp that can be released earlier? Or have they all been integrated into each other as some sort of giant black box where no piece functions without the others? From an outside point of view, several of the things look like they could be released on their own without the others to let us slowly build up to the full suite.
I also see no mention of where the anchoring IV change for Starbase Defense Management has gone. I assume it's a Kronos change though... (Btw, would be nice for gunnery skills to effect starbase modules, it would make up for the few stat upgrades they've had over the years. A renaming of the guns to indicate their ammo usage wouldn't be too unwelcome as well, as they all use the size up from their name. Small = Medium, etc...)
You're welcome.
We discussed trying to separate out elements of the Industry changes, but ultimately the technical overhead and design consideration was not worth it. We consider the Industry all interconnected so trying to split it up did not seem wise on any front.
I will double check the changes to anchoring tomorrow when I get into work, but I believe they are not tied to the Industry changes specifically.
Feel free to poke me on: Twitter |
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Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
425
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Posted - 2014.05.12 23:38:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:However in the case of industry I feel there has been so much hype already generated that pushing it back for 12 weeks or longer might be a bad PR decision. I can understand the need for CCP to attach a date to this. Also the majority of the release is already finished. CCP might feel that an additional 6 weeks is more than enough time to work out the rough edges. It is just because there has been so much hype, and the resulting bad PR, that CCP should try to avoid the possibility of further bad PR. Making a commitment to an arbitrary date that really isn't all that important, in the bigger scheme of things.
And, as I said, if it is done by Crius, then fine - push it out. No problem.
But, if it isn't ready by Crius, then CCP will (a) fail to deliver, or (b) be forced to ship something that isn't 100%. Both options typically result in bad PR.
There just isn't any benefit, with the new release cycles, to promise that anything will be in any particular release. |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1386
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Posted - 2014.05.13 00:06:00 -
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Yay, more time to make 10\10 bpos :D
Never not delay stuff you are uncomfortable releasing. GRRR Goons |
Dirk MacGirk
Specter Syndicate Tactical Narcotics Team
30
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Posted - 2014.05.13 00:09:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:Yay, more time to make 10\10 bpos :D
Never not delay stuff you are uncomfortable releasing.
Don't waste time researching now. Buy your fully researched 425mm Railgun I and Bastion Module blueprints right here and be ready to build on July 22 |
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Galphii
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
226
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Posted - 2014.05.13 00:11:00 -
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I noticed just how much stuff was scheduled for release in June's Kronos expansion, and remarked that it was probably the biggest expansion ever (that I've been around for). Even without industry, it's a really decent expansion so it's better to take the time to get it right. Good call. X |
Scouty McScouterton
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.05.13 00:26:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:I hoped we would get more things and faster. But apparently you took this frequent release mode so you can slack. I just realized that EVE development will be slower actually.
Disapointed Without the new release period, this stuff would either push half baked, or push in winter. What I'm saying is, you're an idiot.
Why does a sitting member of the CSM think that he can violate the posting rules of the forum? Is there a double standard here or what? |
McBorsk
Multispace Technologies Inc Yulai Federation
33
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Posted - 2014.05.13 01:17:00 -
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Thanks for listening. |
velox
Darkside Gardens
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Posted - 2014.05.13 01:23:00 -
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This should come as no shock to anyone really, clearly they have the same genius in charge of the overall 'eve keynote' message as they do the event planning.
Who new that throwing a fanfest knees up a month before a major realise things might slide.
I remember a couple of years ago when we were told that changes were coming and soon everyone would want a pos because they were going to be that good. Or ring mining or ......
What no one knew a week ago that the list of work still to be done was too big ?
Makes the whole 'Kronos is all about industry' laughable. But hey at least you all got to have a **** up. Made of win |
Lyn Fel
Black Frog Logistics Red-Frog
25
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Posted - 2014.05.13 01:23:00 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote:Lyn Fel wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Kenneth Feld wrote:Freighter and Jump Freighter rebalancing - Kinda industry, but also ship rabalancing...
Kronos or Crius?? Kronos. All of the previously announced ship and module balancing is still scheduled for Kronos. The one exception is the capital jump drive fuel use increase which is being delayed to Crius. Could we get some numbers on the new smaller base cargohold sizes of Freighters and Jump Freighters? I just happen know a lot of players who are interested in this. If you wanted to be really nice you could throw in cargohold sizes with various T1/T2 cargo expander options installed as well. Hmm, where was this mentioned. I saw the stream and nothing mentioned. There was supposed to be a dev blog outlining the changes and well, nothing there either. They specifically said they wanted to help industry, not make them spend another billion on rigs to get back to the same sizes.
To be fair, I personally did not see it mentioned by CCP. I heard that they said it when asked after announcing the rigs at FanFest and saw it posted on two websites that recapped the changes planned for Kronos.
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Eve Manufacturing |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3594
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Posted - 2014.05.13 01:58:00 -
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Lyn Fel wrote:Could we get some numbers on the new smaller base cargohold sizes of Freighters and Jump Freighters? I just happen know a lot of players who are interested in this. If you wanted to be really nice you could throw in cargohold sizes with various T1/T2 cargo expander options installed as well. Last I heard they were not changing, but rather ship package sizes were increasing. |
Wrent Simulus
Quantum Dynamic
6
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Posted - 2014.05.13 02:02:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Rhivre wrote:Seith Kali wrote:Quote:Moving the industry features to the Crius release on 22 July is an example of our new release model in action. Wouldn't that be to release the parts that are ready rather than pushing back a big bang release? The parts that are ready are being released "The Kronos release, coming out on June 3rd, will include all other features announced in development blogs and during the EVE Online keynote at Fanfest, such as the 3 new Mordu's Legion ships, the new advanced mining frigate, changes to low sec sites and faction warfare, new warp-in effects, rebalanced and redesigned ships, drone rebalance, faction themed stations and sound customization. " Exactly, and the industry features will then follow approx. 6 weeks later.
Was there any content that was originally planned for this date that has not already been announced? Or is originally announced material simply getting delayed 6 weeks? |
Dirk MacGirk
Specter Syndicate Tactical Narcotics Team
30
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Posted - 2014.05.13 02:05:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Lyn Fel wrote:Could we get some numbers on the new smaller base cargohold sizes of Freighters and Jump Freighters? I just happen know a lot of players who are interested in this. If you wanted to be really nice you could throw in cargohold sizes with various T1/T2 cargo expander options installed as well. Last I heard they were not changing, but rather ship package sizes were increasing.
heard either one of those things from where? got link? |
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
42
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Posted - 2014.05.13 02:30:00 -
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Wrent Simulus wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Rhivre wrote:Seith Kali wrote:Quote:Moving the industry features to the Crius release on 22 July is an example of our new release model in action. Wouldn't that be to release the parts that are ready rather than pushing back a big bang release? The parts that are ready are being released "The Kronos release, coming out on June 3rd, will include all other features announced in development blogs and during the EVE Online keynote at Fanfest, such as the 3 new Mordu's Legion ships, the new advanced mining frigate, changes to low sec sites and faction warfare, new warp-in effects, rebalanced and redesigned ships, drone rebalance, faction themed stations and sound customization. " Exactly, and the industry features will then follow approx. 6 weeks later. Was there any content that was originally planned for this date that has not already been announced? Or is originally announced material simply getting delayed 6 weeks?
https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie/status/465926289678163968
Fozzie tweeted that a few hours ago, so, I would think maybe we haven't seen everything yet perhaps |
Wrent Simulus
Quantum Dynamic
6
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Posted - 2014.05.13 02:54:00 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote:
Was there any content that was originally planned for this date that has not already been announced? Or is originally announced material simply getting delayed 6 weeks?
https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie/status/465926289678163968
Fozzie tweeted that a few hours ago, so, I would think maybe we haven't seen everything yet perhaps[/quote]
Very interesting, it would be fantastic if they were able to keep their original schedule as well as make the changes to the Kronus stuff. I'm -very- dubious, but hopeful that this is possible!
I'm still in " show me" mode for this 6 week thing thou, I'm thinking closer to 10 weeks (which is still good I think)
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