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Nyxus
GALAXIAN Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.09.23 21:46:00 -
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I wouldn't complain about EAN IIs if a good 2/3s of the ships that I encountered in pvp were shield tankers.
And thats besides the point that isk & cap wise it makes more sense to run 1 em, 2x Invuln II, and a DC.
I would be "yarring" up the universe. Is it any wonder the other races don't want to change? Of course, if most pvp ships had shield tanks we would have to listen to more Matari whines. That would be bad, but thats a helluva lot better than the "OMG don't nerf my uberraven!!" threads we had to deal with before.
Nyxus
Originally by: Tux The thought of a missile spewing armor tanking cool black looking ship makes me happy in the pants
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DrEiak
Amarr IONSTAR Vox Imperium
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Posted - 2006.09.23 23:47:00 -
[2342]
Just a quick spam post to show off my new sig:
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Auryn Darkblade
Caldari 4th Cohort
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Posted - 2006.09.24 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rigo Kajjar Well personally ... I got my "enlightenment" a few months back. Since then, I just stopped caring about lasers and started reskilling ...
Dumping skill points hurts, but ...
- What exactly was done in the 4 months since this thread was started?
- Why do you think this will change in the next 4 months?
From the time this thread was started to now, you can already have another large T2 spec, plus BS-5 of a different faction.
I just wanted to say: 4 MONTHS! Holy cow! 4 months and no response / reply anything from CCP. Wow...just... Wow __________________________________________________ [17:31:19] dnkuanggong2 > i m china i love evebus i on love t4r4
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Vance Black
Caldari ORIGIN SYSTEMS Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.09.24 05:32:00 -
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Dual LAR 2 actually, I have maxed cap and gunnery (almost, bar pulse spec 4)
cap hovers constant at about 40 - 50% with guns blazing, conflag hits up to 15km optimal, which is fine, but with T2 ammo it goes out to 42km, which is mad for a closeish range gun. ---------------------------------
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Miri Tirzan
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.24 21:03:00 -
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Actually I like the Navy Apoc for missions... with about 3 billion in fittings I can tank near 1000 DPS. I would not use it for PvP but for PvE it is a killer. It does take a while to kill things but it is not at any risk so I dont care.
Oh, and T2 Drones are a must.
But I would like to see the EM and Thermal damaged switched.
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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Perry
Amarr The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.24 21:10:00 -
[2346]
So it take the Faction version of an amarr ship to do the job of a standard caldari ship. Good balance, lock topic, all cleared.
Not.
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Cmdr Sy
EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.09.25 00:08:00 -
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I think actions speak louder than words.
From character creation (June 04) onwards, I have specialised in Amarr tech and used it in both PVE and PVP.
Now I am retraining to Gallente tech.
- I sold all my Amarr HACs today. - My next Mallers will have autocannons fitted. - After flying the Malediction in PVP for nearly two years, I have switched half my interceptors to the Taranis. - In spite of my respect for the Arbitrator, my cruisers will be mostly Thorax, Vexor and Celestis. - BC 5 was the best skillpoint investment I ever made, and it will be applied to the Brutix. - What a double-edged sword ECM has turned out to be. I have two million SPs in it, and now I am so glad at least drones are immune. - I bet after the expansion, the Megathron will still own, and the new tier 2 Gallente BC will be some crazy Brutix/Vexor offspring.
Pulse lasers are basically meh with the plate boost and passive tanking skills. When you see 400mm plates on Crows, you know how events have gone.
You know what Amarr have, that is without parallel?
The Sigil.
The reasons are simple and ironic - the plate boost and passive hardening skills should have given the Amarr a powerful new way of armour tanking, but everyone else can do it, and pulse lasers cannot compete with plates and dual adaptive nanos with skill, so long as base armour resistance remains 60-70% for everyone. You can't fight that, especially with crap drone bays and not enough mids for effective ECM.
I am not whining, I am adapting, and that basically means replacing half my kit. This is not something you do after over 2 years just because you got a little frustrated - I can see numerous ways across all ship classes, in which the Gallente, Caldari, and to a lesser extent Minmatar, do it better. The powers that be may draw suitable conclusions about the state of Amarr in relation to the technology of other races.
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Sir Bart
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Posted - 2006.09.25 00:48:00 -
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The root cause of this is that everyone is armor tanking now (even ravens) since midslots are needed to win the ECM battle. What needs to happen is ECM can be defended against, therefor everyone's pvp won't be a mix of armor tank/ECM and we will see some sheild tankers out there... when that happens Amar are not a bad race, sure they are not great at beating up on an armor tank but a tempest is quite weak on a shield tank. That just doesn't bother many tempest pilots since they haven't seen a shield tank since 2005.
SB
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Dahak2150
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Posted - 2006.09.25 02:01:00 -
[2349]
This thread is almost as old as my character!
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Uglyone
Hunter Killers
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Posted - 2006.09.25 14:29:00 -
[2350]
Originally by: Sir Bart The root cause of this is that everyone is armor tanking now (even ravens) since midslots are needed to win the ECM battle. What needs to happen is ECM can be defended against, therefor everyone's pvp won't be a mix of armor tank/ECM and we will see some sheild tankers out there... when that happens Amar are not a bad race, sure they are not great at beating up on an armor tank but a tempest is quite weak on a shield tank. That just doesn't bother many tempest pilots since they haven't seen a shield tank since 2005.
SB
ECM is a part of the problem but not the whole problem. with the boost of ECCM that was solved to a certain degree if you use those modules that is.
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Chai MeiLian
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Posted - 2006.09.26 01:40:00 -
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Are the dev's even looking into this thread?
Are we wasting precious server space posting into the forums? Server resources that could be used to aid the stability of TQ?
Has any threads like this ever been "answered"? What's the senior's experience on this?
It seems that Amarr sucks, but do they suck THAT bad? If yes, why aren't the dev's doing anything about it?
Will it get fixed in Kali? I'd like to wtfpwn Domi's.
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Richard Masterson
Occassus Republica Process of Elimination
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Posted - 2006.09.26 05:35:00 -
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I fly almost exclusively Minmatar, with the exception of a Crusader. The reason is simple: Capacitor and speed.
The oversized (compared to most other ships, especially Minmatar) capacitor allows me to fit a MWD and still have a decent sized capacitor without a cap battery or booster.
Onto the guns: They don't do a hell of alot of damage. In fact, I plan it so that my biggest contribution is the tackle and not the damage. If I leave the guns off I can orbit with the MWD and 20km scrambler on for an extended period.
I think it's a matter of finding the right ship for the right job. That being said, I agree that Amarr damage is weak (Dual Light Beam IIs suck, and just TRY fitting medium beams. . .), and most ships' lack of midslots gimp them severely in PvP.
In addition, I love that fact that my ammunition takes up a fraction of my cargo hold at the beginning and end of an operation, and that despite this, Amarr cargoholds are still larger than average.
Summary: Amarr need improvement, but hopefully not at the expense of stuiff they already do well.
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The ArchWarder
Dragons Of Redemption Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.26 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: The ArchWarder on 26/09/2006 10:45:21 Edited by: The ArchWarder on 26/09/2006 10:45:05 One think that needs to be addressed is our range on our short range wepons. Amarr is the only race in the game where its BSs cant hit another BS well at point blank, basicaly anything that is moving under 7k is un touchable.
Keeping range is imposable due to amarr being the most cap dependant race and mwd = cap killer, not to mention the stupid tracking penalty to the t2 ammo.
to give an idea of how lame laser boats are, i can turn my corp m8t absolution, 200m worth of command ship into nothing more than a nice looking asteroid, unable to shoot, rep, ANYTHING in my 8m worth of arbitrator with basic mods. Amarr is also the only race that cant do any dammage what so ever when it has no cap, and gal use drones and boats like the mega usually fit a booster and a full tackle setup.
Ships like the geddon and the zealot used to have a purpose in the game because of the non penalty of HS. they couldnt tank at all so anything could kill them, but they could atleast do dammage.
Now with the Nos nerf on the horizion,the pilgrim / curse, the only class of ship that amarr are the best at is now also at risk of becoming obsolete.
So assuming the nos nerf hits the curse + pilgrim hard. Is there ANY reason at all to fly Amarr anymore? why waste SP when the other 3 races perform so much better?
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Garia666
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.26 11:02:00 -
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Well thats the problem I have chosen to be amarr. and specialized in to amarr ships and modules. It takes a way to long of a time to change to a different race..
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.26 11:05:00 -
[2355]
Edited by: Aramendel on 26/09/2006 11:06:19
Originally by: Richard Masterson The oversized (compared to most other ships, especially Minmatar) capacitor allows me to fit a MWD and still have a decent sized capacitor without a cap battery or booster.
The problem here is that the rechargetime is also higher, so you only have more initial cap, but the same regeneration rate. For example,
Claw: 225 cap, 168.75 sec recharge -> 1.33 cap/sec Crusader: 300 cap, 225 sec recharge -> 1.33 cap/sec
So, after MWD penalitiy and skills the crusader has 70 more base cap. Which is spent after 20 seconds firing 4 DLBII. The higher base cap of amarr ships is basically a "cargohold" for their "ammo". From the caprecharge (aka sustained cap) they are not better than other ships. The only exeption here are the HACs.
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Kardim
Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2006.09.27 00:11:00 -
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well i thought of a good way to put it today.
the devs have always noticed other races problem threads because the problem is like a gold brick, u know its there and its worth something.
for amarr its a little trickier, some people dont even know we have a problem, some do, some dont care etc..... anyway we ourselves have a hard time putting the finger on what is exactly wrong, so why would a dev respond.
amarrs problem is like a feild full of gold nuggets, unless youve seen the sun hitting the feild at the right time u probobly wouldnt even know the problems are there, but when u see the sun hit them ur freakin blinded, our feild of gold nuggets might not be one big brick thats easy to take down and sell, lot more work in picking them up making sure u have everything and trying to figure out what its worth.
figured id bump and share my most recent thoughts atleast on the forums as i havnt played much since i really realized how bad amarr is
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LordChaos
Amarr Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.09.27 00:55:00 -
[2357]
whats with this Nos nerf? is it offical or just rumors?
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Aegirhawk
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Posted - 2006.09.27 04:15:00 -
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Edited by: Aegirhawk on 27/09/2006 04:15:40 I agree amarr need loving period end of statement. a 5% bonus to weapon damage and ROF and give all amarr ships a passive 50% bonus to weapon energy use. And a short range Tachyon Pulse laser would be nice. just my 2 cents but It won't ever happen. because amarr have to have the cap bouns to lasers else... Cap=crap.
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xeom
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.09.27 04:54:00 -
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They should boost minmatar tbh.
Wait is this the wrong thread? ---
CCP how about the pith X & A mods? "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
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Kirov VIII
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:26:00 -
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Why you make NOTHING CCP ????
Ship amarr have projo or hybrid on ship and you don't ask somes questions ??? It's normal which a amarr ship haven't amarr turret ? Why the amarr turret are very very too bad than a projectile turret ???
Compare mega pulse T2 and 800mm t2 ... ALL are better on 800mm !!! Rof, tracking, consumption of capa, cpu/pw take, damage, ... YOu can see too the price of all amarr turret. Price is very very low ... Why ? It's because gun are UNUSABLE !!!
Stop to change code for create a code too bad than RMR with a lot of bugs add and balance/correct the current content for ALL players can play not only other race than amarr !!!
A titan amarr now with a em doomsday on a ship with 92.5% base resist, the pilot confuse a frigate T1 with doomsday titan !!!
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Godar Marak
Amarr Return Of Red Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kirov VIII Why you make NOTHING CCP ????
Ship amarr have projo or hybrid on ship and you don't ask somes questions ??? It's normal which a amarr ship haven't amarr turret ? Why the amarr turret are very very too bad than a projectile turret ???
Borat!!! Youre my hero!!11
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Blitzkrieg
The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Perry So it take the Faction version of an amarr ship to do the job of a standard caldari ship. Good balance, lock topic, all cleared.
Not.
LOL, priceless!
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Kiyirari
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:17:00 -
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i remember 2 years ago that the Amarr where for some time the Flavour of many months and alot of pilots, did train for their BS
Omgwftpwned Amarr, how times change
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ARMARINE
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:32:00 -
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just wanted to point out that lasers DO/WOULD have enough power to cause an explosione(look at the national ignition facility, NIF for short) theyr attempting to create fusion threw lasers. wiht the size fo the lasers in question and the time taken to develope such weapons it would be possible to cause an explosion.
wish i had more time to explain but im at school so i'll explain more later if i can. thanks for reading and have fun playing eve.
P.S. i fly ammar and i do have a terribly hard time fitting certin ships
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ARMARINE
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:33:00 -
[2365]
crap posted wiht the wrong character. lol
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Nyxus
GALAXIAN Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:39:00 -
[2366]
Originally by: xeom They should boost minmatar tbh.
Wait is this the wrong thread?
<attatches slave collar to Xeom>
There, there. Get in the box like a good little Matari. Tomorrow, if you do an extra good job polishing the reactor manifold I will even let you come inside to sleep!
But only if that manifold gleams.
<sighs> It's so hard to find good help these days. Ah well, space em and buy new. Thats what I always say. The depreciation after you take em off the lot is hell on the old wallet though.
Nyxus
Originally by: Tux The thought of a missile spewing armor tanking cool black looking ship makes me happy in the pants
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Godar Marak
Amarr Return Of Red Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:42:00 -
[2367]
Nyxus I love you, in a non homosexual way <3
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Godar Marak
Amarr Return Of Red Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kiyirari i remember 2 years ago that the Amarr where for some time the Flavour of many months and alot of pilots, did train for their BS
Omgwftpwned Amarr, how times change
Yeah back then Amarr were too uber, now we are too sucky
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Godar Marak
Amarr Return Of Red Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: The ArchWarder
Now with the Nos nerf on the horizion,the pilgrim / curse, the only class of ship that amarr are the best at is now also at risk of becoming obsolete.
Why havent anyone questioned Tuxford competance? I mean, what the HELL is he doing?
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Godar Marak
Amarr Return Of Red Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:46:00 -
[2370]
Edited by: Godar Marak on 27/09/2006 18:46:10 edit dp
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