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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:22:00 -
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CCP Greyscale comes bearing news of anomaly changes that will be a part of Crucible, the upcoming Winter Expansion.
Please read the blog here, and leave your feedback and questions in the thread. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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Kim Telkin
Love for You Forsaken.Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:22:00 -
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whee! First?
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CCP Greyscale
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:22:00 -
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Also, a couple of things I'm expecting people to ask about that I want to clear up in advance:
First, this blog was entirely my idea; the original implementation was badly designed and I have no problem admitting that. We make mistakes, we learn from them, and we do things better next time around.
Second, yes, there was a huge angry forum thread for the first blog and I ignored it. That was also a mistake (obviously, in retrospect). This happened partly because I was too focused on looking for reasoned critiques to appreciate the significance of the huge outburst that it generated, but mainly because I've been increasingly withdrawn from the forums for the last year or two. It's a pretty draining experience reading page after page after page of angry posts, about all kinds of topics but all ultimately driven by the same core concerns of abandonment and neglect, and agreeing with those concerns, and not being able to do much of anything about it. As a result, I've been avoiding listening to the forums and focusing on doing the best work I can, but the former occasionally precludes the latter. On the bright side, it feels like the mood on the forums has been improving hugely in the last month or two, and I'm making an effort to read and post more as a result. Whether or not this is a good thing is of course a matter of personal opinion ;) |
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SilentSkills
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:27:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Whether or not this is a good thing is of course a matter of personal opinion ;)
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Ager Agemo
I N E X T R E M I S Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:30:00 -
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5th? |
Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries The Black Armada
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:31:00 -
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Make true sec adjustable trough players actions and let the players adjust it our selves!
This idea can be extended to low-sec as well... just a thought! |
Neo Agricola
BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:32:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Also, a couple of things I'm expecting people to ask about that I want to clear up in advance:
First, this blog was entirely my idea; the original implementation was badly designed and I have no problem admitting that. We make mistakes, we learn from them, and we do things better next time around.
Second, yes, there was a huge angry forum thread for the first blog and I ignored it. That was also a mistake (obviously, in retrospect). This happened partly because I was too focused on looking for reasoned critiques to appreciate the significance of the huge outburst that it generated, but mainly because I've been increasingly withdrawn from the forums for the last year or two. It's a pretty draining experience reading page after page after page of angry posts, about all kinds of topics but all ultimately driven by the same core concerns of abandonment and neglect, and agreeing with those concerns, and not being able to do much of anything about it. As a result, I've been avoiding listening to the forums and focusing on doing the best work I can, but the former occasionally precludes the latter. On the bright side, it feels like the mood on the forums has been improving hugely in the last month or two, and I'm making an effort to read and post more as a result. Whether or not this is a good thing is of course a matter of personal opinion ;)
Sounds good. DISSONANCE is recruiting Members: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=70361#post70361 Black-Mark Alliance Recruitment: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6710 |
Vicar2008
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:33:00 -
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You have buffed the Anoms, great sure, but in that Blog maybe i am reading it wrong, but are the way they are being distrubuted being relaxed also? Or are they still being reserved in the True sec status regions, aka 0.00 systems still seeing non, 0.40 mabe seeing one and the -0.80 to -1.00 getting the best? |
Maxsim Goratiev
Imperial Tau Syndicate POD-SQUAD
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:34:00 -
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cool, that's quite nice. so you de-facto buffed it. awesum. |
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CCP Greyscale
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:40:00 -
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Vicar2008 wrote:You have buffed the Anoms, great sure, but in that Blog maybe i am reading it wrong, but are the way they are being distrubuted being relaxed also? Or are they still being reserved in the True sec status regions, aka 0.00 systems still seeing non, -0.40 mabe seeing one and the -0.80 to -1.00 getting the best?
We're not changing the distribution at this time, BUT we're not changing it because a lot of the "not-good" sites are being upgraded to "really very good". 0.00-ish systems will have the same sites in, for example, but those sites should be considerably better than they currently are. |
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Temmu Guerra
Sickle Moon Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:41:00 -
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Vicar2008 wrote:You have buffed the Anoms, great sure, but in that Blog maybe i am reading it wrong, but are the way they are being distrubuted being relaxed also? Or are they still being reserved in the True sec status regions, aka 0.00 systems still seeing non, -0.40 mabe seeing one and the -0.80 to -1.00 getting the best?
Yes, according to the blog as I read it they were going to redistribute the regions but are holding off on it to see how this buff goes. My question is though how will this affect the drone regions (if at all) as there is already ALOT of minerals coming from the hordes that are available now. -T |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:41:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote: Second, yes, there was a huge angry forum thread for the first blog and I ignored it. That was also a mistake (obviously, in retrospect).
:"Apology Accepted, Captain Needa":
To avoid future issues, could you perhaps put up some posters on CCP walls that say "Ignoring angry threads for too long leads to people unsubscribing and people unsubscribing leads to CCP Hilmar freaking out with his Excel sheets and that leads to suffering..." or something?
Not that any of what happened a few months was specifically your fault, it was more of a General Failure In Developing EVE *thespaceshipgame*... and it's too late to dwell in any of that. What matters is that it genuinely seems that CCP suddenly cares about their game again!
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StukaBee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:41:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Second, yes, there was a huge angry forum thread for the first blog and I ignored it. That was also a mistake (obviously, in retrospect). This happened partly because I was too focused on looking for reasoned critiques to appreciate the significance of the huge outburst that it generated, but mainly because I've been increasingly withdrawn from the forums for the last year or two. It's a pretty draining experience reading page after page after page of angry posts, about all kinds of topics but all ultimately driven by the same core concerns of abandonment and neglect, and agreeing with those concerns, and not being able to do much of anything about it. As a result, I've been avoiding listening to the forums and focusing on doing the best work I can, but the former occasionally precludes the latter. On the bright side, it feels like the mood on the forums has been improving hugely in the last month or two, and I'm making an effort to read and post more as a result. Whether or not this is a good thing is of course a matter of personal opinion ;)
The moral of this story is to never stop posting. |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:43:00 -
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StukaBee wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:Second, yes, there was a huge angry forum thread for the first blog and I ignored it. That was also a mistake (obviously, in retrospect). This happened partly because I was too focused on looking for reasoned critiques to appreciate the significance of the huge outburst that it generated, but mainly because I've been increasingly withdrawn from the forums for the last year or two. It's a pretty draining experience reading page after page after page of angry posts, about all kinds of topics but all ultimately driven by the same core concerns of abandonment and neglect, and agreeing with those concerns, and not being able to do much of anything about it. As a result, I've been avoiding listening to the forums and focusing on doing the best work I can, but the former occasionally precludes the latter. On the bright side, it feels like the mood on the forums has been improving hugely in the last month or two, and I'm making an effort to read and post more as a result. Whether or not this is a good thing is of course a matter of personal opinion ;) The moral of this story is to never stop posting.
Quoting For Truth. This. So much this. |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:44:00 -
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They also refresh faster now to becouse of the clocky ship nerf. With all the changes a wait before they up the amount per zone is a good idea but what do i know. |
Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:48:00 -
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So how do these revised sites compare to highsec Incursion running? |
Efraya
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:49:00 -
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God damn nullbears and their hurf blurf and risk versus reward adverse CCP.
Make eve hard ffs.
WSpace; Best space. |
Didona Carpenito
Akimamur Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:50:00 -
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err |
StukaBee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:52:00 -
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I'd very much like to see a greater variation in the types of anomalies available (maybe even randomised spawns), any chance of this in the future?
Either way, good to see that things are changing.
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Freelancer'Spb
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:53:00 -
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It would be better to nerf sanctums and heavens in isk/ehp value to take them in line with other anomalies. These anomalies already are paradise farmlands for bots.
Also two suggestions: Make npc's in anomalies more smart, like in incursions. Make scanned anomalies appear into the space and overview like belts. This thing in the solarsystem map is too awkward . |
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Kaaletram Lothyrawir
Ignus Astrum The Veyr Collective
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:53:00 -
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I must say that I have really been impressed with the amount of effort that has been put in by all members of the dev team in listening to and addressing so many of the issues that have been causing long term players grief. From the sounds of this particular blog it seems to be a good start. I am still of the opinion that the number and distribution of the sites needs to be tweaked a bit but I remain optimistic about it for the road ahead |
Largo Coronet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:54:00 -
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So how does the improved sites compare to running Level IV missions in highsec? |
BigCountry
Knights Of Anarchy Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:56:00 -
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Again you have made changes to the anamolies in the drone regions without mentioning it ... So I wanna be first to thank you for making even more work for us out here to make money considering i dont see any increase to isk gained from them... All I see is taht drone hordes now take longer , and more work, for the same ISK.. |
Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:57:00 -
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Nice.
The way I read the blog, this also affects low-sec anomalies - is that correct?
Can you give rough ISK:EHP values for the smaller sites, e.g. hubs, ports, rally points and yards? :-] |
Lars Erlkonig
Discrete Solutions Ltd. Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:58:00 -
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Have you also looked at the anomalies in low sec, or are they going to stay as they are? |
Joe Skellington
Caldari Elite Force Independence..
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:59:00 -
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Good to see this. -á-á |\_/|-á -á/ @ @ \ -á-á -á( > -¦ < )-á -á`-+-+x-½-½-¦ -á-á / O \ |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:02:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Vicar2008 wrote:You have buffed the Anoms, great sure, but in that Blog maybe i am reading it wrong, but are the way they are being distrubuted being relaxed also? Or are they still being reserved in the True sec status regions, aka 0.00 systems still seeing non, -0.40 mabe seeing one and the -0.80 to -1.00 getting the best? We're not changing the distribution at this time, BUT we're not changing it because a lot of the "not-good" sites are being upgraded to "really very good". 0.00-ish systems will have the same sites in, for example, but those sites should be considerably better than they currently are.
Have you considered, if I may, the possibility that distribution is one of the main problems in null? By grouping the best into pockets of null you encourage mega-alliances to control those specific pockets leaving surrounding areas much more devoid. It may be worth considering changing the sec stat of many systems to lower in order to smear the best systems across much larger areas of space... areas too large for the megas to claim all of without stretching themselves too thin. This would open even more space for smaller alliances to try and get a foothold in... space that would really be worth going for and not the sloppy seconds of the megas.
Just a thought. Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Bubanni
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:04:00 -
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I personly learned that forlorn hubs and such were okay after the nerf... but that was mainly because I was using a pimped out vindicator...
The main problem with those compared to the sanctums was that you could finish them very very fast... so the actual lost "isk/hour" was in the warping between anomalies!
So... that said, I could earn about 25-30mil/20 mins, in both sanctums and forlorn hubs.
It's the amount of battleships and spawns that makes the difference :P, it's fine that they are worth less than in a sanctum, I just want more of them so I don't have to warp between new anomalies compared to a sanctum |
Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:05:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:Have you considered, if I may, the possibility that distribution is one of the main problems in null? By grouping the best into pockets of null you encourage mega-alliances to control those specific pockets leaving surrounding areas much more devoid. It may be worth considering changing the sec stat of many systems to lower in order to smear the best systems across much larger areas of space... areas too large for the megas to claim all of without stretching themselves too thin. This would open even more space for smaller alliances to try and get a foothold in... space that would really be worth going for and not the sloppy seconds of the megas.
Just a thought.
The only fix for that is to adjust power projection by nerfing jump drives and other forms of travel, not in changing anomaly distribution itself. The original implementation had what you're proposing and all it led to was even more grossly inflated game income while guys searching for a foothold were given the old super capital boot. |
Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:09:00 -
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StukaBee wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:Second, yes, there was a huge angry forum thread for the first blog and I ignored it. That was also a mistake (obviously, in retrospect). This happened partly because I was too focused on looking for reasoned critiques to appreciate the significance of the huge outburst that it generated, but mainly because I've been increasingly withdrawn from the forums for the last year or two. It's a pretty draining experience reading page after page after page of angry posts, about all kinds of topics but all ultimately driven by the same core concerns of abandonment and neglect, and agreeing with those concerns, and not being able to do much of anything about it. As a result, I've been avoiding listening to the forums and focusing on doing the best work I can, but the former occasionally precludes the latter. On the bright side, it feels like the mood on the forums has been improving hugely in the last month or two, and I'm making an effort to read and post more as a result. Whether or not this is a good thing is of course a matter of personal opinion ;) The moral of this story is to never stop posting.
this ^ Allow us to change characters of the same account without the need to logout and put the password again. |
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