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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:20:00 -
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AFK Hauler wrote:Tool tips != Tutorial Tips. I think this is probably the most succinct characterisation of this whole mess.
What the UI team has done is introduce a bunch of tutorial stuff into the game, for everyone, regardless of whether they need to be taught about it or not. It feels like 99% of the current tool tips are things that belong in a NPE, not in the game as played on a daily basis. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5731
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:20:00 -
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Constructive criticism:
After you improve placement and etc. please tie this in to the tutorial system and/or provide a global "off" switch so that players who no longer need training wheels can go about their space business more efficiently and without unnecessary hindrance.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Grendell
Technologies Unlimited Superior Eve Engineering
874
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:22:00 -
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How has nobody mentioned "The department of redundancy department"
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Sven Viko VIkolander
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
180
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:23:00 -
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I'd just like to point out that even players who are not forum warriors or bitter vets dislike some of these changes. A newer player doing a let's play series highlighted how bad these changes are when it comes to exploration (you know, stuff involving interacting with objects in space?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TEuCa-8WrY
I really hope CCP does not take the lazy way out of this and just tweak the system. It needs to be removed or it needs an on off switch, but videos like this point out that the new bracket tooltip system is fundamentally flawed as it gives less information than we had on the old system. |
Ivan Taredi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
22
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:26:00 -
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Grendell wrote:How has nobody mentioned "The department of redundancy department" More like the Ministry of Silly Tooltips. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1867
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:27:00 -
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It's like with jump effect: it's awesome and we are very happy that we can share that awesomeness with you in between your epilepsy seizures. Oh no, option to turn it off would make your user experience much less exciting. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Seith Kali
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:27:00 -
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One threadnaught later and I still think the predictive movement thing is rad. Nice work! Apprentice Goonswarm Economic Warfare Consultant - Drowning in entitlement and privilege.-á |
Mu Reznor
Starpaws Intergalactic Cat Herding Collective
10
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:28:00 -
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I propose the introduction of a new tool-tip Interdiction Sphere. When launched from one's Interdictor it creates a 100km diameter bubble filled with tips.
The newly introduced Rifter F+£K+£ Edition is of course immune to such things.
Tool-trip Interdictors are destroyer-sized vessels built to fill a single important tactical niche:overload the enemies user interface until rendered useless. Capable of launching mind-disrupting tool-tip spheres, Tool-tip interdictors are of great value in locations of strategic importance where enemy movement must be rendered impossible. |
Jake Rivers
Senex Legio
208
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:33:00 -
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Tool tips, meh'.
Predictive mouse movement, OMG you guys rock!
Love the menu's that pop up for tower mod's as well, nicely done. Senex Legio |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
2337
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:44:00 -
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For those counting on CCP making an "off" switch for the tooltips, please go lookup the thread that was started after Odyssey where people were being made ill by the forced perspective change from the new stargate animation. Players asked for a way to disable it then. Players who get physically sick watching it. Almost a year ago now.
Not saying they won't make an off switch for the tooltips. Just don't get your hopes up. "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion |
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Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
404
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:44:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Constructive criticism:
After you improve placement and etc. please tie this in to the tutorial system and/or provide a global "off" switch so that players who no longer need training wheels can go about their space business more efficiently and without unnecessary hindrance.
Well I guess it's nice to dream anyway.
EVE's only legitimate ISK halving service. I have 500Billion to not give away. It's easy for you to double my money. Just send me some isk, has to be 100Mil or higher, and I will send you back half. I can't lose. One guaranteed winner every round. Do it now. |
Lothros Andastar
The Minutemen The Bastion
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:46:00 -
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New Tooltip system is garbage. Either give us a way to customise which ones show up or roll back the changes until they aren't so ****.
I don't need a tooltip telling me something is a stargate on my overview. The Icon has been the same for EIGHT FREAKING YEARS I KNOW IT IS A STARGATE. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
539
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:48:00 -
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Lair Osen wrote:[Bug] Not sure if this is related to this change or not, but the white targeting brackets >< when targeting NPCs on the overview seem to now be behind the red cross instead of in front of them, which makes it very hard to tell if you have something targeted or not.
Targeted windows in the upper right corner? |
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
404
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:49:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:For those counting on CCP making an "off" switch for the tooltips, please go lookup the thread that was started after Odyssey where people were being made ill by the forced perspective change from the new stargate animation. Players asked for a way to disable it then. Players who get physically sick watching it. Almost a year ago now.
Not saying they won't make an off switch for the tooltips. Just don't get your hopes up.
I think that thread is still going, isn't it?
On 24" monitors, it's not too bad really, but anything bigger, or the players that use a TV, and it gets old pretty fast.
Not a finger was lifted to smooth it out though, and I think that is what sits bad with payers. Oops, ment to say players. Actually both.
EVE's only legitimate ISK halving service. I have 500Billion to not give away. It's easy for you to double my money. Just send me some isk, has to be 100Mil or higher, and I will send you back half. I can't lose. One guaranteed winner every round. Do it now. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1513
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:54:00 -
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Well, they rest of CCP are probably hotdroping now the devs responsible for those changes and demanding turn off mechanism. Devs responsible are in reinforced mode and they don't know why would someone attack them, because all they wantet was a nice, pretty virgin new player friendly system. All they got is bittervets doomsdays of rage targeting them. When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues.
http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif |
Traein Andedare
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:18:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Well, the rest of CCP are probably hotdroping now the devs responsible for those changes and demanding turn off mechanism. Devs responsible are in reinforced mode and they don't know why would someone attack them, because all they wanted was a nice, pretty, virgin new player friendly system. All they got is bittervets doomsdays of rage targeting them.
I don't need those tooltips too, probably for the first week of play I would leave them just to know where everything is, then I would not need them, like the rest of players.
They need to write on a chalkboard: I will use my brain. Test server is a must. Proper player feedback is critical.
100 times
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
47
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:23:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:For those counting on CCP making an "off" switch for the tooltips, please go lookup the thread that was started after Odyssey where people were being made ill by the forced perspective change from the new stargate animation. Players asked for a way to disable it then. Players who get physically sick watching it. Almost a year ago now.
Not saying they won't make an off switch for the tooltips. Just don't get your hopes up.
The jump animation is in no way related to tool-tips messing the game up. Please stop trying to hitch your lost battle to ours. I have no problem with the jump animation, it has nothing to do with game mechanics. You can't do anything while jumping anyway. |
Winchester Steele
1116
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:23:00 -
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Ordinarily I keep my mouth shut and adapt, but in this case I gotta say it: These tooltips are a horrible waste of my precious screen real-estate, offer me nothing in terms of gameplay value and I would dearly like be able to turn them off.
-1.
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Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
19
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:26:00 -
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Taking all Bets now.. that the fix will be applied on July 22nd, 2014... Eve Online : Crius ...aka PATCH CRISIS!!!
please CCP remove this mess. even stevie wonder could see this was a bad idea!! |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1516
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:26:00 -
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....and give old arrows on targeted red crosses back! These are not visible at all. When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues. http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif EVE Online = Ministry of Silly Tooltips. |
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Winchester Steele
1118
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:28:00 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:For those counting on CCP making an "off" switch for the tooltips, please go lookup the thread that was started after Odyssey where people were being made ill by the forced perspective change from the new stargate animation. Players asked for a way to disable it then. Players who get physically sick watching it. Almost a year ago now.
Not saying they won't make an off switch for the tooltips. Just don't get your hopes up. The jump animation is in no way related to tool-tips messing the game up. Please stop trying to hitch your lost battle to ours. I have no problem with the jump animation, it has nothing to do with game mechanics. You can't do anything while jumping anyway.
Pretty sure he's just drawing a parallel regarding CCP's response to these sorts of complaints, as opposed to advocating a position on the jump screen animation.
Reading comprehension is hard though, right? ... |
Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
28
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:36:00 -
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Hey, that's a sun you are pointing your mouse at
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:For those counting on CCP making an "off" switch for the tooltips, please go lookup the thread that was started after Odyssey where people were being made ill by the forced perspective change from the new stargate animation. Players asked for a way to disable it then. Players who get physically sick watching it. Almost a year ago now.
Not saying they won't make an off switch for the tooltips. Just don't get your hopes up. Jump animation is just cosmetic (well, epilepsy inducing, but who cares. EVE is about social darwinism after all). Tooltips, on the other hand, are just plain harmful for the gameplay. Like blocking LoS, preventing you from targeting stuff in blobs, breaking exploration, removing useful information (hey, is that PoS gun online?). While offering no useful information. This is a mail client. You can read and write mails. This is market. You can buy and sell stuff. This is a sun. It's a sun. Which is a sun. Dude, SUN!
Tooltips must 1) not harm useability and 2) provide useful information which can not be represented by other, less UI-clogging means like already existing distinctive celestial and neocom icons. The tooltips in their current incarnation manage to achive neither.
PS: did I mention sun? |
Penny Ernaga
The New Space Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:40:00 -
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Lothros Andastar wrote:New Tooltip system is garbage. Either give us a way to customise which ones show up or roll back the changes until they aren't so ****.
I don't need a tooltip telling me something is a stargate on my overview. The Icon has been the same for EIGHT FREAKING YEARS I KNOW IT IS A STARGATE.
lol - really? How can you know that it`s a stargate if no tooltip told you so? ...hard to believe.
But back to serious-mode:
- There might be a slight probability that the tooltips are useful for the first 1 ~ 3 days playing EVE. So if it helps CCP in not admitting that this is the opposite of an improvement for 99,7 % of the players, make this a tutorial-"feature".
- I don`t mind if this tooltips pop-ups mess up my in-station-screen. One may get used to it, like to a tinnitus. Again, if it helps CCP, so be it.
- I do mind that all those useless pop-ups in space ruin the gameplay. EVE is somewhat about flying spaceships, at least for me. The look and feel is now gone. I`d like to warp to things, target ships, open cans, etc. - without beeing hindered by pop-ups every time. It is now not like flying, but more like working with an old Microsoft Office version, where this annoying "Paper-Clip"-figure was providing "useful tips" when you needed it least....
Please CCP, make EVE playable and enjoyable again! |
Traein Andedare
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:40:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:....and give old arrows on targeted red crosses back! These are not visible at all.
This, can't even tell what I have targeted anymore from the overview
Terrible, bad patch roll this mess back on to the desk of the morons responsible for it and give them a lesson in QA
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Marcel Brinalle
Deadspace Coalition
3
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Posted - 2014.05.14 17:07:00 -
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Hi devs,
I simply see no other option than rollback and working on it until it can be switched off.
Anything else is a joke and a laughter into everybodys face. "We wanted it that way and what will you do, go play somewhere else? Hahaha"
Have some respect for people who pay you, your customers.
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Skrizzy
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.05.14 17:29:00 -
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OMFG, Tooltips, Star Map is borked when you can not select a station to warp to without change to show services... Solar System Map is totally destroyed with large description tips hiding any other useful information... utterly stupidness. Let us turn the s**t off! EDIT: Sorry it was possible to turn the tip off in solar system map.. |
Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2640
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Posted - 2014.05.14 17:37:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:For those counting on CCP making an "off" switch for the tooltips, please go lookup the thread that was started after Odyssey where people were being made ill by the forced perspective change from the new stargate animation. Players asked for a way to disable it then. Players who get physically sick watching it. Almost a year ago now.
Not saying they won't make an off switch for the tooltips. Just don't get your hopes up.
Sadly I fear you will be proven correct.
CCP will simply not admit fault by allowing for an ON/OFF switch, despite the fact that it would go down as a positive customer service move, rather than hurting their reputation. The bit that hurts their reputation has been done - releasing buggy, irritating, untested stuff.
I just wish sometimes they would bite the bullet and say "Hey - yeah that didn't go to plan. Let's turn it off and get it right. Then we'll give it you back when it works." Aaaaaaand relax. |
Maekchu
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
27
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Posted - 2014.05.14 17:40:00 -
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So far I have not played long enough with the new tooltips for it to be a direct nuisance. I will support the idea of being given the ability to turn of the tooltips, since some of us do not need these anymore.
I think it is a great idea that CCP wants to help newer players more easily understand the HUD and ship stats. I really hope you guys are continuing the work on the tooltips as promised in the devblog, because as it currently stands, I don't feel like the feature adds much in terms of helping a new player understand EVE better.
The Neocom button tooltips feel a bit rushed. In my opinion, the tooltips could be used in a better way to explain some of the available features. For example, the tooltip for the mail writes "Send a receive mail". I think most players, even a complete newbie that have never played EVE will know, that the big button with the envelope is where you send a receive mails. Why isn't it mentioned the mail button is also used for mailing lists and notifications? Obviously not all the tooltips can be expanded on, but these should definitely be revisited.
The fittings tooltips are also a nice addition, but again these could profit from a revision. Some tweaks might seem minor (and in reality they are), but if you invest time in correcting a feature, I feel that it is a good time to make it great once and for all.
Some examples for tweaks on the fittings tooltips could be:
- A good example of an informative tooltip is the mass and inertia tooltips. These tell you what they affect and how they affect them, in a concise and simple way. Why is this fomatting not also used in the resistance tooltips? "Incoming EM damage against a hitpoint type is reduced if it has a value for this resistance" is formatted slightly less clear, compared to the mass and inertia tooltip. For example "Incoming EM damage against a hitpoint type is reduced as the value increases", gives a higher uniformity and is slightly easier to understand.
- When you hover over the shield number, you get a proper tooltip "Shield hitpoints and Shield recharge time". But when you hover over the armor or hull number it only says "armor" or "hull", instead of for example "armor hitpoints". This would be noticable, if it wasn't for the armor symbol having the same tooltip. So when you hover over the different stats you get the same tooltip in two different places, which just feels slightly weird and not streamlined.
Last, there are many important stats that did not receive a tooltip. You will notice this when you check specific items and their stats. "Signature resolution", "Accuracy falloff" and "Tracking speed" are all very important stats that influence your ship heavily. They are all some of the stats new players have most problems understanding, and as of now they all don't have a tooltip explaining what and how they are influencing a specific ship or equipment.
Now after all this constructive criticism, I will say great work on the "Predictive Mouse Movement".
Keep it up! |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
47
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Posted - 2014.05.14 17:40:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:For those counting on CCP making an "off" switch for the tooltips, please go lookup the thread that was started after Odyssey where people were being made ill by the forced perspective change from the new stargate animation. Players asked for a way to disable it then. Players who get physically sick watching it. Almost a year ago now.
Not saying they won't make an off switch for the tooltips. Just don't get your hopes up. The jump animation is in no way related to tool-tips messing the game up. Please stop trying to hitch your lost battle to ours. I have no problem with the jump animation, it has nothing to do with game mechanics. You can't do anything while jumping anyway. Pretty sure he's just drawing a parallel regarding CCP's response to these sorts of complaints, as opposed to advocating a position on the jump screen animation. Reading comprehension is hard though, right?
I guess so. Try comprehending my post. |
Winchester Steele
1121
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Posted - 2014.05.14 17:54:00 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:For those counting on CCP making an "off" switch for the tooltips, please go lookup the thread that was started after Odyssey where people were being made ill by the forced perspective change from the new stargate animation. Players asked for a way to disable it then. Players who get physically sick watching it. Almost a year ago now.
Not saying they won't make an off switch for the tooltips. Just don't get your hopes up. The jump animation is in no way related to tool-tips messing the game up. Please stop trying to hitch your lost battle to ours. I have no problem with the jump animation, it has nothing to do with game mechanics. You can't do anything while jumping anyway. Pretty sure he's just drawing a parallel regarding CCP's response to these sorts of complaints, as opposed to advocating a position on the jump screen animation. Reading comprehension is hard though, right? I guess so. Try comprehending my post.
Oh I understood your off-topic post about jump animations just fine. I was just trying to explain that you completely and utterly missed Malcolm's point, which apparently you are too thick to understand even now.
Please stop trying to derail this thread. TIA. ... |
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