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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2014.05.13 17:19:00 -
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Usually it's very easy to keep up with how CCP changes their minds, from they announce an idea and as they gradually modify it, and finally deploy it.
There'll be one Dev Blog, with its assocaited Comments thread, or occasionally there might be two Dev Blogs devoted to closely related topics, each with its own thread, for a total of two threads. Or sometimes it starts with a post, not a Dev Blog, in Features & Ideas, this post starting a single thread.
That's very, very doable. Perfectly possible to keep one-self updated, with a reasonable amount of effort. You have one thread, or at the most two, and you just read all the dev posts.
But this time around?
Six Dev Blogs; six forum threads!
And clearly, it's necessary to pay attention, because CCP must have realized that there were some at least semi-important aspects of their industry expansion that they had failed to thrink through. That's why they decided to delay the industry changes by about a month and a half. They're not going to change industry in the way that they said they would, but in a somewhat different way.
How can I and others cope with this? How can we keep up? I mean, in theory the patch notes will tell me all I need to know. But in practice, I'm sceptical. I'm also the kind of person who likes to know things in advance of them happening.
What to do? |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2014.05.13 20:33:00 -
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Read the dev blogs.
There's 6 of them because there's so much being changed. If there was only one dev blog, it would be the length of a small novel |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
539
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Posted - 2014.05.13 22:21:00 -
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Learn to read, Elena. |
Kaea Astridsson
Yggdrasil Woodchoppers Noir. Mercenary Group
35
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Posted - 2014.05.13 22:37:00 -
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I'm pretty sure they're still implementing all you read on the blogs, just they relized it's such a huge change to their code - couldn't be implemented in the haste at which they first hoped for.
Think that's why the latest (not sure if latest) dev blog takes us through their new planned process of introducing features in smaller packages they feel comfy with.
But to be fair, I've read those 6 Dev post about two three times and still have a hard time figuring out what it all could mean.
What to do you ask? Grab a nice cup of tea and do as suggested by previous poster. |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
539
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Posted - 2014.05.14 00:39:00 -
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I have read the six dev blogs. And I have no mental capacity problems with regards to integrating their concents into a coherent model based on which I can make reasonable predictions about the consequences.
My concern is that they're not going to do what they said they'd do in the dev blogs, but that they're going to do something slightly different from that, i.e. changing their minds to some extent (hence the delay), and that those differences, between what they're going to do and what they said they were going to do in the dev blogs, will only be revealed in obscure forum posts. Prior to the patch notes right before release day. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1340
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Posted - 2014.05.14 07:16:00 -
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Salpad wrote:Learn to read, Elena.
I can read perfectly well thank you.
If they change what they're actually going to release, they'll either edit the original dev blogs or publish new ones. Hence if you read the dev blogs you'll be as up to date as anyone else. Yes, you may need to re-read the original 6 and check for edits closer to July.
The 'obscure forum posts' (stickied in Features and Ideas) are for changes before they get to the point of being worth a full dev blog, not instead of a dev blog.
Quote:How can I and others cope with this? How can we keep up?
Everyone else is keeping up by reading the dev blogs, so.... |
Ageudum
Rolled Out
1
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Posted - 2014.05.14 13:07:00 -
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Salpad wrote:I have read the six dev blogs. And I have no mental capacity problems with regards to integrating their concents into a coherent model based on which I can make reasonable predictions about the consequences.
My concern is that they're not going to do what they said they'd do in the dev blogs, but that they're going to do something slightly different from that, i.e. changing their minds to some extent (hence the delay), and that those differences, between what they're going to do and what they said they were going to do in the dev blogs, will only be revealed in obscure forum posts. Prior to the patch notes right before release day.
So basically, you're conspiring.
If you can name three times that CCP has announced a change that they're going to implement in a dev blog, and then turned around and modified that change monumentally before it was released, then you might have some ground to stand on. Otherwise, you're just paranoid. |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15508
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:02:00 -
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Salpad wrote:Usually it's very easy to keep up with how CCP changes their minds, from they announce an idea and as they gradually modify it, and finally deploy it.
There'll be one Dev Blog, with its assocaited Comments thread, or occasionally there might be two Dev Blogs devoted to closely related topics, each with its own thread, for a total of two threads. Or sometimes it starts with a post, not a Dev Blog, in Features & Ideas, this post starting a single thread.
That's very, very doable. Perfectly possible to keep one-self updated, with a reasonable amount of effort. You have one thread, or at the most two, and you just read all the dev posts.
But this time around?
Six Dev Blogs; six forum threads!
And clearly, it's necessary to pay attention, because CCP must have realized that there were some at least semi-important aspects of their industry expansion that they had failed to thrink through. That's why they decided to delay the industry changes by about a month and a half. They're not going to change industry in the way that they said they would, but in a somewhat different way.
How can I and others cope with this? How can we keep up? I mean, in theory the patch notes will tell me all I need to know. But in practice, I'm sceptical. I'm also the kind of person who likes to know things in advance of them happening.
What to do?
Well I guess I would start by reading those blogs. I mean they're only a few thousand words in total, it's not like you're being asked to read War And Peace or anything.
Also maybe don't worry about it until the changes go live on SiSi, and read the blogs when you can actually play around with the features they're talking about. Stuff should gel for you pretty fast then. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
620
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:32:00 -
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Basically it's like this: There will be changes not mentioned in the dev blogs and I expect that for any changes there will be dev blogs about them or they will become clear on Singularity in the fullness of time. With respect to whether it's a giant pain in the butt, yes and as someone who maintains an industry tool I can tell you I'm not even going to bother writing any code until after it's live and been sitting on Tranq for at least a month. I don't know about others.
I would wait for the inevitable forehead-smacking patch-fest to work itself out before investing any serious ISK in industry. |
Katherine Raven
ALTA Industries Intergalactic Conservation Movement
146
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Posted - 2014.05.14 18:26:00 -
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Based on the feedback we've seen through the forums, as well as during the Industry panel at Fanfest, there were indeed numerous things that CCP had not thought of that made them rethink their timeline.
That being said, I highly doubt they'll completely scrap everything they've done and release something completely new and different. What I would expect is for them to make changes and iterations on what they have already done in order to accommodate the concerns raised by the community. As mentioned above, any such changes that are major and will have a drastic direct affect on the players will be announced through a dev blog. Smaller changes that are less chaos inducing might only see announcements on the forums.
As was also mentioned above, keep an eye out for new DevBlogs, and watch the Features and Ideas Forums for new industry related CCP posts. Beyond that, you're in the same boat as the rest of us. If you're really eager, you can get on Singularity and see the changes before they actually get released on Tranquility. If you do that, you'll actually have an advantage over everyone who does not do it. |
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Anne Kingston
Frontiers United
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Posted - 2014.05.14 22:30:00 -
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This sounds like paranoia. If they make unannounced changes, it will be so minor compared to the majority of what they've already announced. Not enough to effect you to a substantial degree. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1935
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Posted - 2014.05.14 23:40:00 -
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I'm really uncertain about the purpose of your original post (not the follow-up conspiracy non-sense)... What can you do?
Read the blogs. There's 6 of 'em, so you can't be lazy. Digest them one at a time, write notes to yourself if you need to, and act accordingly. This ain't rocket science. They write Dev Blogs; they make changes and document it, or they postpone changes (which is happening to one or two items this time as well). Do they conspire to make your life difficult? Please.
Don't be lazy and read the posts, or be lazy and whine on the Forums. It's all up to you. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
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