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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
1455
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Posted - 2014.05.21 16:53:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Trinkets friend wrote: But, while I've got you here and can be reasonably assured you are in fact looking at a topic (much like a sighting of Bigfoot, the attention of a CCP Greyscale is rare), would you care to comment on black holes? There was a gigantic threadnaught filled with nerd rage and silly ideas on how to "fix" black holes, and things seemed to stall. Are Black Hole systems still up for review, or are we all happy to carry on as they are, whereby C1-4 are doable but C5 and C6 are just not inhabitable (farmable)?
You could even comment on the thread in the Wormholes section if that's more appropriate.
Fozzie has Black Holes on his "to make less bad" list :) [edit] Also re the topic at large, I'm currently leaning towards just leaving C4s as they are pending a more comprehensive review in future :)
Further question...why can people button mash the living bejeezus out of a stargate while aggro locked from jumping, but when you are doubletapped and being blazed by some turdy Vigilant you get a pop-up screen you ACTIVELY HAVE TO REMOVE before you can try again. Like, when you die with "your coils are polarised or something blah blah suck it and die less than one second ha ha ha server ticks hate you stupid Aussie criminals" press OK to acknowledge EVE hates you. J's before K's. ::brofist:: http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Nash MacAllister
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
133
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Posted - 2014.05.21 17:55:00 -
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As a C2 dweller with static C4/HS, I would like to see C4 either left alone, or add a second static. Preferably left alone. The folks living there do so for a reason. The folks complaining that they hated living in a C4, then why did you ever decide to live there knowing the mechanics? Lol. Our static C4 connection generates a high amount of interesting chains, combat opportunities, and flexibility (unpredictable as it is). It would be good to see wh classes more unique instead of less. There are already enough or even too many wh with k-space static connections IMHO. If anything, make connections more unpredictable and random... Yes, if you have to ask yourself the question, just assume we are watching you... |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
284
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Posted - 2014.05.22 00:02:00 -
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Oh man, that was close. No incoming K-space on C6? No thanks! It would break ALL the things.
I agree with wormholes being as inconsistent as possible, so maybe make it so that some WHs of any class have no k-space connections, while others having their current values (with C4s being homogenised to fit this model)? This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |
Darren Fox
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
39
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Posted - 2014.05.22 08:42:00 -
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Just to summarize what is currently being suggested (update the first post maybe?):
-More lowsec K-K wormholes added -K->C6 dynamic wormholes added -C4s left unchanged
Is this correct? |
Syzygium
Friends Of Harassment The Camel Empire
43
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Posted - 2014.05.22 10:05:00 -
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Maybe I missed it, but can any DEV give a short reply on the idea of creating the K162s "on spawn" and not "on warpin" so the connection is always probable from both sides, not just from the inside?
It makes little sense that a WH "waits" for someone to warp in, before opening it's connection. It will also generate more traffic, more PvP Engagements and less safety (aka isolating the own WH on demand). |
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
75
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Posted - 2014.05.22 10:05:00 -
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Quite a few of you posting about C4 space in this thread don't even live there.
For Example: Dual statics: C4 residents really REALLY don't want a second static. It won't help them a single bit. It helps the guys from C5/C6 space way more PVP wise since they'll just crit the hole with massive blobs. Capital ship travel: There's a reason it's not in C4 space. Freighters are okay. Carriers & dreads leads to SSC, NoHo, & the rest of you guys jumping in 50+ tech 3 armadas with the dread on the back end.
If anything, Cap escalations should be nerfed into the ground. No more blue loot/mnr from the extra bs. Also make those BS ewar immune{painters/webs/ecm}. The real reason those extra ships are there is to discourage capital use for PVE farming. Quite the opposite effect nowadays when said C5/C6 corps drop 10 dreads on a home site for giggles. |
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CCP Greyscale
C C P C C P Alliance
2280
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Posted - 2014.05.22 10:09:00 -
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Darren Fox wrote:Just to summarize what is currently being suggested (update the first post maybe?):
-More lowsec K-K wormholes added -K->C6 dynamic wormholes added -C4s left unchanged
Is this correct?
Yes.
Syzygium wrote:Maybe I missed it, but can any DEV give a short reply on the idea of creating the K162s "on spawn" and not "on warpin" so the connection is always probable from both sides, not just from the inside?
It makes little sense that a WH "waits" for someone to warp in, before opening it's connection. It will also generate more traffic, more PvP Engagements and less safety (aka isolating the own WH on demand).
"Not right now". |
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
793
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Posted - 2014.05.22 10:14:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Darren Fox wrote: [quote=Syzygium]Maybe I missed it, but can any DEV give a short reply on the idea of creating the K162s "on spawn" and not "on warpin" so the connection is always probable from both sides, not just from the inside?
It makes little sense that a WH "waits" for someone to warp in, before opening it's connection. It will also generate more traffic, more PvP Engagements and less safety (aka isolating the own WH on demand).
"Not right now".
Please do not EVER do it, This would change the character of wormhole space in a very basic and destructive manner, it may sound appealing but the consequences would be dire. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1386
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Posted - 2014.05.22 10:23:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Meytal wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:The things we want to do with wormholes proper are more extensive and will not be happening in Kronos or Crius What is a very high level overview of what you'd like to see happen with or to wormhole space since players have adapted to life there in spite of CCP expectations on its release? This directly relates to the question I asked above: much of what we might suggest depends on where you want to go with it and what you envision it to be like. I could hand-wave in the directions that are at the top of my mind right now, but that'd be imprecise and unproductive, and my brain is full of research changes right now and I don't want to context switch into digging up and validating what we've discussed internally about wormholes at this time. I know this isn't the answer you want and I apologize for that, but that's what the situation is right now. If you want to do something productive *right now*, I'd strongly recommend talking to your preferred CSM rep about what you'd like to see so when it does come up on the agenda again we're better-primed to get straight into the good stuff. Thanks! -Greyscale
And what do we do if we have every single of the CSM members and always hoot them on sight when meet them in game? :P "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Syzygium
Friends Of Harassment The Camel Empire
44
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Posted - 2014.05.22 10:26:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Please do not EVER do it, This would change the character of wormhole space in a very basic and destructive manner, it may sound appealing but the consequences would be dire. I live with quite a few alts in my own WH and the option of "turtling in" is just ridiculous. Collapse all Exits, start farming, profit. The chance that some new WH spawns just into your WH during that hour of farming is so small, and even if it happens, 90% of the time its just a CovOps looking for an K-Space exit or a Hauler wanting to fuel a POS.
In like 1.5 YEARS (!) of WH farming not a single has been lost in my WH while farming. Not one. Because the chance that someone hostile can invade it shortly after having closed all connections is close to zero.
If CCP wants to have more connections and more engagements in WH space, here is the way to go. A lot of "dead end pipes" suddenly leads somewhere, when the K162s are all open right from the start. And if they lead somewhere, at some point people will meet and exchange ammo. |
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1386
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Posted - 2014.05.22 10:29:00 -
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Syzygium wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Please do not EVER do it, This would change the character of wormhole space in a very basic and destructive manner, it may sound appealing but the consequences would be dire. I live with quite a few alts in my own WH and the option of "turtling in" is just ridiculous. Collapse all Exits, start farming, profit. The chance that some new WH spawns just into your WH during that hour of farming is so small, and even if it happens, 90% of the time its just a CovOps looking for an K-Space exit or a Hauler wanting to fuel a POS. In like 1.5 YEARS (!) of WH farming not a single Farming Ship has been lost in my WH while farming. Not one. Because the chance that someone hostile can invade it shortly after having closed all connections is close to zero. If CCP wants to have more connections and more engagements in WH space, here is the way to go. A lot of "dead end pipes" suddenly leads somewhere, when the K162s are all open right from the start. And if they lead somewhere, at some point people will meet and exchange ammo.
Have to agree. PAssed only a tiny bit of time in wormholes. But the idea of closing doors feels really awkwards and overexploitative. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
75
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Posted - 2014.05.22 10:33:00 -
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Syzygium wrote: If CCP wants to have more connections and more engagements in WH space, here is the way to go. A lot of "dead end pipes" suddenly leads somewhere, when the K162s are all open right from the start. And if they lead somewhere, at some point people will meet and exchange ammo.
If k162's auto open, either of 2 things will happen.
1) W-space will be desolate save for C5/C6 space. They are the only ones who can farm enough to replace ships lost & field appropriate numbers.
or
2) Local is added.
Pick your poison. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
793
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Posted - 2014.05.22 10:35:00 -
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Syzygium wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Please do not EVER do it, This would change the character of wormhole space in a very basic and destructive manner, it may sound appealing but the consequences would be dire. I live with quite a few alts in my own WH and the option of "turtling in" is just ridiculous. Collapse all Exits, start farming, profit. The chance that some new WH spawns just into your WH during that hour of farming is so small, and even if it happens, 90% of the time its just a CovOps looking for an K-Space exit or a Hauler wanting to fuel a POS. In like 1.5 YEARS (!) of WH farming not a single Farming Ship has been lost in my WH while farming. Not one. Because the chance that someone hostile can invade it shortly after having closed all connections is close to zero. If CCP wants to have more connections and more engagements in WH space, here is the way to go. A lot of "dead end pipes" suddenly leads somewhere, when the K162s are all open right from the start. And if they lead somewhere, at some point people will meet and exchange ammo.
The idea is simplistic and takes no account of the complexity of wormhole life. Having an alt do a little part time PvP or "farming" does not reflect the wider reality of those who live there. I do not know what class of wormholes your alts visit, but we obtain a great number of kills where people believe they are safe and are very very much not so. A little patience is quite effective, opening EVERYTHING up would decimate industry and mining, and remove opportunities to kill as the only activity of note would be research pos's in c1 and C2 wormholes.
Visiting, daytripping and the casual alt in wormholes, do not give an understanding of the overall complexities and relationships that are clear to those who choose to live in them. 1.5 years without a loss? We lose and kill daily. You are safe when the static is closed? You clearly have not had us camped hidden in your hole, closing your static brings nothing but an illusion of solitude. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1386
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Posted - 2014.05.22 10:46:00 -
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Adoris Nolen wrote:Syzygium wrote: If CCP wants to have more connections and more engagements in WH space, here is the way to go. A lot of "dead end pipes" suddenly leads somewhere, when the K162s are all open right from the start. And if they lead somewhere, at some point people will meet and exchange ammo.
If k162's auto open, either of 2 things will happen. 1) W-space will be desolate save for C5/C6 space. They are the only ones who can farm enough to replace ships lost & field appropriate numbers. or 2) Local is added. Pick your poison.
the lever of cowardice on this statement is amazing. Youare so scared that anyoen would enter your C3/C4 hole? LOL
This is a PVP game. You will just pay as much attention as you do already now, keepign scanner open tot he same net effect on ship losses due to infiltrations. THe main difference is that you wil lhave to warp to POS and get a PVP ship to expel invaders from tiem to time.
Oo the HORROR of having to PLAY the game!!! "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1386
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Posted - 2014.05.22 10:47:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Syzygium wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Please do not EVER do it, This would change the character of wormhole space in a very basic and destructive manner, it may sound appealing but the consequences would be dire. I live with quite a few alts in my own WH and the option of "turtling in" is just ridiculous. Collapse all Exits, start farming, profit. The chance that some new WH spawns just into your WH during that hour of farming is so small, and even if it happens, 90% of the time its just a CovOps looking for an K-Space exit or a Hauler wanting to fuel a POS. In like 1.5 YEARS (!) of WH farming not a single Farming Ship has been lost in my WH while farming. Not one. Because the chance that someone hostile can invade it shortly after having closed all connections is close to zero. If CCP wants to have more connections and more engagements in WH space, here is the way to go. A lot of "dead end pipes" suddenly leads somewhere, when the K162s are all open right from the start. And if they lead somewhere, at some point people will meet and exchange ammo. The idea is simplistic and takes no account of the complexity of wormhole life. Having an alt do a little part time PvP or "farming" does not reflect the wider reality of those who live there. I do not know what class of wormholes your alts visit, but we obtain a great number of kills where people believe they are safe and are very very much not so. A little patience is quite effective, opening EVERYTHING up would decimate industry and mining, and remove opportunities to kill as the only activity of note would be research pos's in c1 and C2 wormholes. Visiting, daytripping and the casual alt in wormholes, do not give an understanding of the overall complexities and relationships that are clear to those who choose to live in them. 1.5 years without a loss? We lose and kill daily. You are safe when the static is closed? You clearly have not had us camped hidden in your hole, closing your static brings nothing but an illusion of solitude. If you seek easy kills, look elsewhere, wormhole kills should not be PvP (ganking) in easy mode.
There are middle terms between opening EVEYRTHING and keeping as it is now.
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Georgie Girl
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.05.22 10:53:00 -
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Ok as an alt of a Character who is CEO of a small corp living in a C4 and who has lived in C4's on and off since 2010 - then my vote is please leave them unchanged.
Isn't wormspace supposed to be lonely and difficult to travel around? That's why there are no stargates there, C4's "feel" like wormspace should do to me.
Blackholes could do with some positive change but other than that the basics of wormspace are fine and do not need changing |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
793
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Posted - 2014.05.22 10:54:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Syzygium wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Please do not EVER do it, This would change the character of wormhole space in a very basic and destructive manner, it may sound appealing but the consequences would be dire. I live with quite a few alts in my own WH and the option of "turtling in" is just ridiculous. Collapse all Exits, start farming, profit. The chance that some new WH spawns just into your WH during that hour of farming is so small, and even if it happens, 90% of the time its just a CovOps looking for an K-Space exit or a Hauler wanting to fuel a POS. In like 1.5 YEARS (!) of WH farming not a single Farming Ship has been lost in my WH while farming. Not one. Because the chance that someone hostile can invade it shortly after having closed all connections is close to zero. If CCP wants to have more connections and more engagements in WH space, here is the way to go. A lot of "dead end pipes" suddenly leads somewhere, when the K162s are all open right from the start. And if they lead somewhere, at some point people will meet and exchange ammo. Have to agree. PAssed only a tiny bit of time in wormholes. But the idea of closing doors feels really awkwards and overexploitative.
At a simplistic level it would, however apart from the fact that wandering, and incoming holes spawn all the time, those who believe they are safe usually die swiftly. There is a whole world of tactics that exploit this nativity, that are used hourly, and daily. I clearly am not going to describe those tactics for all to learn.
However anyone who Lives in wormholes full time will understand that the idea would absolutely decimate the very targets that this proposal claims would make more available. It would just turn them into a slightly odder version of KS and their character would be irreversibly destroyed.
Wormholes are really hard to understand, their existence in their current form was a great shock to CCP, they did not and could not understand how people made them their home, safety in a wormhole does not exist, someone may be lucky for a while, but they are unquestionably the most dangerous area in EvE.
Occasionally a carebear corp believes they are safe. They realise otherwise when everything they own ceases to exist, and they are podded together with their alts back to KS.
It may not happen today, but it will happen.
In the meantime they are content and prey.
All this proposal would achieve is that them leaving or being removed happens in a very short period of time. And leaves an uninhabited desert. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Georgie Girl
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.05.22 10:56:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Adoris Nolen wrote:Syzygium wrote: If CCP wants to have more connections and more engagements in WH space, here is the way to go. A lot of "dead end pipes" suddenly leads somewhere, when the K162s are all open right from the start. And if they lead somewhere, at some point people will meet and exchange ammo.
If k162's auto open, either of 2 things will happen. 1) W-space will be desolate save for C5/C6 space. They are the only ones who can farm enough to replace ships lost & field appropriate numbers. or 2) Local is added. Pick your poison. the lever of cowardice on this statement is amazing. Youare so scared that anyoen would enter your C3/C4 hole? LOL This is a PVP game. You will just pay as much attention as you do already now, keepign scanner open tot he same net effect on ship losses due to infiltrations. THe main difference is that you wil lhave to warp to POS and get a PVP ship to expel invaders from tiem to time. Oo the HORROR of having to PLAY the game!!!
Actually this is not a PvP game, this is supposed tyo be a sandbox game which to my understanding means you pay your subscription and then you play however you like, combat, trading or manufacturing etc
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
793
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Posted - 2014.05.22 11:26:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Adoris Nolen wrote:Syzygium wrote: If CCP wants to have more connections and more engagements in WH space, here is the way to go. A lot of "dead end pipes" suddenly leads somewhere, when the K162s are all open right from the start. And if they lead somewhere, at some point people will meet and exchange ammo.
If k162's auto open, either of 2 things will happen. 1) W-space will be desolate save for C5/C6 space. They are the only ones who can farm enough to replace ships lost & field appropriate numbers. or 2) Local is added. Pick your poison. the lever of cowardice on this statement is amazing. Youare so scared that anyoen would enter your C3/C4 hole? LOL This is a PVP game. You will just pay as much attention as you do already now, keepign scanner open tot he same net effect on ship losses due to infiltrations. THe main difference is that you wil lhave to warp to POS and get a PVP ship to expel invaders from tiem to time. Oo the HORROR of having to PLAY the game!!!
Please PLEASE come and visit. We would love to uncloak next to you before explaining the realities of wormhole life. You may be interested to know that most so-called carebear corps in wormhole life are the most bloodthirsty killers you will ever have the misfortune of encountering.
The PvP corps are worse than your worst nightmare...........
There are also worse groups living here, much much worse........
Ps we don't mine (much) There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
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CCP Greyscale
C C P C C P Alliance
2280
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Posted - 2014.05.22 11:54:00 -
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Clarification: "Not right now" does *not* mean "...but later, yes". It just means "we will not be doing this in the immediate future". See earlier comments re "I'm not thinking about wormhole space right now"
[edit] Clarification to clarification: stay on topic. Stay on topic... |
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Syzygium
Friends Of Harassment The Camel Empire
44
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Posted - 2014.05.22 11:57:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:At a simplistic level it would, however apart from the fact that wandering, and incoming holes spawn all the time, those who believe they are safe usually die swiftly. There is a whole world of tactics that exploit this nativity, that are used hourly, and daily. I clearly am not going to describe those tactics for all to learn. Tbh that is the same "You are doing it wrong, I know it much better than you but I wont tell you!!!!" argumentation that always leads nowhere.
All those hidden tactics and clever strategies you discribe work fine if you put a lot of effort into camping someone with logged off ships after surveilling their activities and bringing ships to their WH unseen and all that suff. Fine, so you actually CAN kill someone who has collapes all their exits with a lot of effort. However, it does not change the fact that still 99% (or basically everyone else) just keeps farming in almost complete safety, because random spontaneous engangements are almost non existant.
Your example of setting traps is fine, but compared to the amount of farming it is still nothing to worry about. I made hundreds of billions in ISK during the last months in WH space and I really could not care less if I had lost a Marauder or Two during that time. It makes no difference because 99% of all times I am still completely safe and untouchable while farming. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
794
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Posted - 2014.05.22 11:57:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Clarification: "Not right now" does *not* mean "...but later, yes". It just means "we will not be doing this in the immediate future". See earlier comments re "I'm not thinking about wormhole space right now"
Thanks, always best to give your full attention to the task at hand I am sure when it is our time you will give the same focus and care. Thanks in anticipation. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
794
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Posted - 2014.05.22 11:59:00 -
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Syzygium wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:At a simplistic level it would, however apart from the fact that wandering, and incoming holes spawn all the time, those who believe they are safe usually die swiftly. There is a whole world of tactics that exploit this nativity, that are used hourly, and daily. I clearly am not going to describe those tactics for all to learn. Tbh that is the same "You are doing it wrong, I know it much better than you but I wont tell you!!!!" argumentation that always leads nowhere. All those hidden tactics and clever strategies you discribe work fine if you put a lot of effort into camping someone with logged off ships after surveilling their activities and bringing ships to their WH unseen and all that suff. Fine, so you actually CAN kill someone who has collapes all their exits with a lot of effort. However, it does not change the fact that still 99% (or basically everyone else) just keeps farming in almost complete safety, because random spontaneous engangements are almost non existant. Your example of setting traps is fine, but compared to the amount of farming it is still nothing to worry about. I made hundreds of billions in ISK during the last months in WH space and I really could not care less if I had lost a Marauder or Two during that time. It makes no difference because 99% of all times I am still completely safe and untouchable while farming.
As Bob wills it. Your sacrifice when due will be welcome.
We are proud to be his agent, every..single..Day.
Exterminating the prey in one massive bloodbath does not please Bob.
And yes, we are not in wormholes because we are sane. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Winthorp
Rolled Out
1678
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Posted - 2014.05.22 12:13:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote: "I'm not thinking about wormhole space right now"
Neither are any of your other Devs with the bizzare recent changes that affect WH space.
Can i ask why so many recent changes after fanfest with no time to asses their real impact on WH space?
Also why do all the recent changes seem to benefit the PVE side of WH space, is there something we are missing to things being out of balance with WH space? http://i.imgur.com/crZYiir.jpg |
Syzygium
Friends Of Harassment The Camel Empire
44
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Posted - 2014.05.22 12:26:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:...much drama... Yeah maybe, at this moment I add -5 Billion to my calculation that still says +200b. And continue to farm after a few days as if nothing had ever happened.
These incidents of suddenly K162 opening while you are farming are sooo rare, they do not influence the profitability much.
@Topic: More K-Space WHs in Lowsec are excellent.
Lowsec->HighSec = better logistical options. Lowsec->Lowsec = roaming options and PvP. Lowsec->NullSec = roaming options and PvP.
However, you should not "flood" the Systems with WHs, on average there should still be less than 1 WH per system else travelling becomes way too easy. Also these WHs should all be random, no statics, to keep the unpredictability. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
794
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Posted - 2014.05.22 12:31:00 -
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Syzygium wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:...much drama... Yeah maybe, at this moment I add -5 Billion to my calculation that still says +200b. And continue to farm after a few days as if nothing had ever happened. These incidents of suddenly K162 opening while you are farming are sooo rare, they do not influence the profitability much. @Topic: More K-Space WHs in Lowsec are excellent. Lowsec->HighSec = better logistical options. Lowsec->Lowsec = roaming options and PvP. Lowsec->NullSec = roaming options and PvP. However, you should not "flood" the Systems with WHs, on average there should still be less than 1 WH per system else travelling becomes way too easy. Also these WHs should all be random, no statics, to keep the unpredictability.
200 BILLION.? I won't even give that a second thought, by the way a billion has 9 zeros, unless you have found a class 7 wormhole, the maths does not work. Or is like the magical 200million an hour that people claim can be earned in L4 missions? Thought so. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Rain6637
Team Evil
14699
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Posted - 2014.05.22 12:43:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Clarification: "Not right now" does *not* mean "...but later, yes". It just means "we will not be doing this in the immediate future". See earlier comments re "I'm not thinking about wormhole space right now" [edit] Clarification to clarification: stay on topic. Stay on topic... does not meaning 'but later yes' mean 'no'? President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet mk.III-á| Twitch | Imgur | Content \o/ |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
794
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Posted - 2014.05.22 12:46:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:Clarification: "Not right now" does *not* mean "...but later, yes". It just means "we will not be doing this in the immediate future". See earlier comments re "I'm not thinking about wormhole space right now" [edit] Clarification to clarification: stay on topic. Stay on topic... does not meaning 'but later yes' mean 'no'?
Lol I think he means what he says, not thinking about wormholes at the moment. Not yes, not no, just saying that he will give wormholes his undivided attention when the time comes.
Sounds like a good plan to me. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Syzygium
Friends Of Harassment The Camel Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.22 13:57:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:200 BILLION.? I won't even give that a second thought, by the way a billion has 9 zeros, unless you have found a class 7 wormhole, the maths does not work. Or is like the magical 200million an hour that people claim can be earned in L4 missions? Thought so. You clearly have no freaking idea how much cash you can make in a WH.
A good farming Combo of 3 Ships (and its quite easy to triplebox in PvE) has a raw ISK output of 500 million ISK per Hour at least. With a bit of luck when it comes to dropping nanoribbons, you can even have double that amount.
So, given the fact that I do not farm like crazy, I extract roughly 10-15 Billion ISK a month from my WH, do the math yourself what I have earned in the last 18 Month while living in there.
WH farming is overwhelmingly lucrative with litte to no risk attached if you just follow some simple steps before farming. Believe it or believe it not. Your fancy traps and logoff gimmicks to trick someone are just the crumbs for you, while I can still eat the whole cake. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.05.22 14:30:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Adoris Nolen wrote:Syzygium wrote: If CCP wants to have more connections and more engagements in WH space, here is the way to go. A lot of "dead end pipes" suddenly leads somewhere, when the K162s are all open right from the start. And if they lead somewhere, at some point people will meet and exchange ammo.
If k162's auto open, either of 2 things will happen. 1) W-space will be desolate save for C5/C6 space. They are the only ones who can farm enough to replace ships lost & field appropriate numbers. or 2) Local is added. Pick your poison. the lever of cowardice on this statement is amazing. Youare so scared that anyoen would enter your C3/C4 hole? LOL This is a PVP game. You will just pay as much attention as you do already now, keepign scanner open tot he same net effect on ship losses due to infiltrations. THe main difference is that you wil lhave to warp to POS and get a PVP ship to expel invaders from tiem to time. Oo the HORROR of having to PLAY the game!!! Please PLEASE come and visit. We would love to uncloak next to you before explaining the realities of wormhole life. You may be interested to know that most so-called carebear corps in wormhole life are the most bloodthirsty killers you will ever have the misfortune of encountering. The PvP corps are worse than your worst nightmare........... There are also worse groups living here, much much worse........ Ps we don't mine (much)
Funny as how many W-Sec corps claim that they are so elite.. yet.. not single time one got upper hand on us. Come to high sec... where is easier to find us than we to find you since you like collapsing your gates. So many W-Hole alliances said tahe same you said.. all of them are begging us to drop the damm wars...
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
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