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Prince Kobol
1721
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Posted - 2014.05.15 18:29:00 -
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Andski wrote:Audrey UntzUntz wrote:Most caught botting*
It could still be the case, or it could be that null-sec botters are better at their craft, not sure. if you observe more of a thing in area A than in area B, that usually means there is more of that thing in area A
Unless of course your name is dinsdale.. in which case it means that CCP are using their ultra top secret code that makes anybody who is botting / macro'ing / RMT outside of High Sec completely invisible |
General Nusense
Not Posting With My Main
178
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Posted - 2014.05.15 18:29:00 -
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This "proof" is a load of ****. If you are only making 69 mil isk per hour ratting anoms in nullsec, you either 1) suck or 2) dont know how to rat. Please have someone with "skills" and knows how to "iskperhour" do it. Then go to Highsec and run LVL 4 missions and compare the two. Your "proof" will be a joke, like everyone knows it is.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11470
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Posted - 2014.05.15 18:36:00 -
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General Nusense wrote:This "proof" is a load of ****. If you are only making 69 mil isk per hour ratting anoms in nullsec, you either 1) suck or 2) dont know how to rat. Please have someone with "skills" and knows how to "iskperhour" do it. Then go to Highsec and run LVL 4 missions and compare the two. Your "proof" will be a joke, like everyone knows it is.
That's what isk you make using the most popular ratting ship the ishtar.
Max you will ever make from anoms is 90 mil/hr
High sec level 4 missions not only matches that but 100+ mil/hr isnt too hard to do. That's before we get into incursions. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Jaun Pacht-Feng
FOX News 24
85
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Posted - 2014.05.15 18:50:00 -
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Combatting Nullsec Ratting bots would go against Alliance leaderships RMT quotas each month.
I'd suggest getting into a Nullsec Bloc, and moving up the ranks to leadership level...as Alliance leaders/lackys are the only ones allowed to Bot in their space under a alt botting corp so their main Alliance get's left alone by a new Dev.
Then you collect as much evidence as you possibly can, then you go public about it, posting it anywhere in the EVE-O forums would get a swift lock...then deleted thread, with a account wide ban for you. "Go Goon or Go Home"
Perfect description of the biggest problem with Eve.-á |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4285
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Posted - 2014.05.15 18:51:00 -
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Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Combatting Nullsec Ratting bots would go against Alliance leaderships RMT quotas each month.
I'd suggest getting into a Nullsec Bloc, and moving up the ranks to leadership level...as Alliance leaders/lackys are the only ones allowed to Bot in their space under a alt botting corp so their main Alliance get's left alone by a new Dev.
Then you collect as much evidence as you possibly can, then you go public about it, posting it anywhere in the EVE-O forums would get a swift lock...then deleted thread, with a account wide ban for you.
Take your pro-Empire propaganda elsewhere, you Federation lackey "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
257
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Posted - 2014.05.15 18:56:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:La Nariz wrote:Security presentation showed that most botting occurs in highsec. In absolute numbers or in percentage per population? How does that matter, when hisec has a bigger population than null or low or WH? This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |
Jaun Pacht-Feng
FOX News 24
85
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Posted - 2014.05.15 18:56:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Combatting Nullsec Ratting bots would go against Alliance leaderships RMT quotas each month.
I'd suggest getting into a Nullsec Bloc, and moving up the ranks to leadership level...as Alliance leaders/lackys are the only ones allowed to Bot in their space under a alt botting corp so their main Alliance get's left alone by a new Dev.
Then you collect as much evidence as you possibly can, then you go public about it, posting it anywhere in the EVE-O forums would get a swift lock...then deleted thread, with a account wide ban for you. Take your pro-Empire propaganda elsewhere, you Federation lackey Naw, I'll repeat my CCP Shreegs backed ALL NULLSEC ALLIANCES BOT facts...and continue among my merry way. "Go Goon or Go Home"
Perfect description of the biggest problem with Eve.-á |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4285
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Posted - 2014.05.15 19:05:00 -
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Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote: Naw, I'll repeat my CCP Shreegs backed ALL NULLSEC ALLIANCES BOT facts...and continue among my merry way.
The CCP facts that the Empires harbour more Bots? Or your won made up "Oh isnt it great to pay tax to the Empires" facts?
Get a grip
You are being used
Open your eyes and stop being a mouth piece for the bourgeois scum who feet off the lifeblood of the workers of Highsec
"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Jaun Pacht-Feng
FOX News 24
85
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Posted - 2014.05.15 19:36:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote: Naw, I'll repeat my CCP Shreegs backed ALL NULLSEC ALLIANCES BOT facts...and continue among my merry way.
The CCP facts that the Empires harbour more Bots? Or your won made up "Oh isnt it great to pay tax to the Empires" facts? Get a grip You are being used Open your eyes and stop being a mouth piece for the bourgeois scum who feet off the lifeblood of the workers of Highsec Look who's calling the kettle black? "Go Goon or Go Home"
Perfect description of the biggest problem with Eve.-á |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4287
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Posted - 2014.05.15 19:44:00 -
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Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote: Naw, I'll repeat my CCP Shreegs backed ALL NULLSEC ALLIANCES BOT facts...and continue among my merry way.
The CCP facts that the Empires harbour more Bots? Or your won made up "Oh isnt it great to pay tax to the Empires" facts? Get a grip You are being used Open your eyes and stop being a mouth piece for the bourgeois scum who feet off the lifeblood of the workers of Highsec Look who's calling the kettle black?
Not me as I work to undermine the grip on the jugular of the people that the greedy fat pigs of Emperors and Presidents you help feed from the trough that contains the accumulated fruits of the labours of the proletariat of High Sec have.
But you dont care
You have your quafe and your whores and your holovids so why would you give a damn about how those you serve crush the workers beneath their steel jackbooted heel? "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
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Marsha Mallow
556
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Posted - 2014.05.15 19:51:00 -
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Can you PLEASE RP on your own forum, you perverts TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4287
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Posted - 2014.05.15 19:52:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Can you PLEASE RP on your own forum, you perverts Im not RPing "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
13576
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Posted - 2014.05.15 19:52:00 -
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This situation calls for only one solution...
MORE AFK CLOAKING!!!!!!!
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4287
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Posted - 2014.05.15 19:59:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:This situation calls for only one solution... MORE AFK CLOAKING!!!!!!!
A sensible policy for a happier New Eden "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Marsha Mallow
556
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Posted - 2014.05.15 19:59:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Im not RPing OK carry on then.
Stuff AFK cloaking, just leave alts in stations, login when drunk and try ransom the system. I've made just over a million so far, but sadly nodded off when alliance lead convo'd me for diplomatic talks. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1339
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Posted - 2014.05.15 20:04:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: That's what isk you make using the most popular ratting ship the ishtar.
Max you will ever make from anoms is 90 mil/hr
High sec level 4 missions not only matches that but 100+ mil/hr isnt too hard to do. That's before we get into incursions.
Run anoms with the bling ships used in high sec, profit. You try to back this argument up every time by comparing apples & oranges. 'We use a cheap T2 Cruiser that doesn't make as much as a 10 billion isk battleship, so something is wrong'.
Also incursions support no more than 80 people with 100 mil/hr (Assuming 23/day like one can rat, and we all know ratting bots do exist, heck, Bots were capable of handling the old probe interface, let alone the new one, they certainly can rat). if you want to take a higher benchmark citing perfect TCRC walls & perfect pirate fleets all with officer bling that number of people supported drops to about 40. Across ALL OF EVE! Including those Null sec incursions that get run to clear cyno jam effects. So, lets stop pretending Incursions are actually significant when talking about income. |
IDGAD
Get in the van I have candy.
140
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Posted - 2014.05.15 20:59:00 -
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Nullsec bots are actually very rare. I've done highsec ganking in the SAME three systems for a long time, and have caught over two dozen botting raven navy issues and marauders. Mostly it's raven navies on under skilled toons that are botting, most likely Chinese bots that farm and skill up their characters only to sell them when they are maxed for PvE.
The real botting problem is in highsec, not nullsec. |
Snakebyte Jack
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
32
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Posted - 2014.05.15 23:03:00 -
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IDGAD wrote:Nullsec bots are actually very rare. I've done highsec ganking in the SAME three systems for a long time, and have caught over two dozen botting raven navy issues and marauders. Mostly it's raven navies on under skilled toons that are botting, most likely Chinese bots that farm and skill up their characters only to sell them when they are maxed for PvE.
The real botting problem is in highsec, not nullsec.
Tell that to all the AFK Ishtars in Deklein.
I think what your ganking in highsec is new players who are too scared to even speak in local when you start shooting their underskilled ravens. |
ZAKURELL0 LINDA
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
54
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Posted - 2014.05.16 01:41:00 -
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Snakebyte Jack wrote:IDGAD wrote:Nullsec bots are actually very rare. I've done highsec ganking in the SAME three systems for a long time, and have caught over two dozen botting raven navy issues and marauders. Mostly it's raven navies on under skilled toons that are botting, most likely Chinese bots that farm and skill up their characters only to sell them when they are maxed for PvE.
The real botting problem is in highsec, not nullsec. Tell that to all the AFK Ishtars in Deklein. I think what your ganking in highsec is new players who are too scared to even speak in local when you start shooting their underskilled ravens. afk =/= bots and both afk and bot problem is much much more serious in HS then in null RIP Iron Lady |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
981
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Posted - 2014.05.16 06:35:00 -
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ZAKURELL0 LINDA wrote:Snakebyte Jack wrote:IDGAD wrote:Nullsec bots are actually very rare. I've done highsec ganking in the SAME three systems for a long time, and have caught over two dozen botting raven navy issues and marauders. Mostly it's raven navies on under skilled toons that are botting, most likely Chinese bots that farm and skill up their characters only to sell them when they are maxed for PvE.
The real botting problem is in highsec, not nullsec. Tell that to all the AFK Ishtars in Deklein. I think what your ganking in highsec is new players who are too scared to even speak in local when you start shooting their underskilled ravens. afk =/= bots and both afk and bot problem is much much more serious in HS then in null
The afktar is quite a thing. and goons are fairly unrepentent about using it, however in standard goon fashion, the longer the essential problem is not fixed, the more they'll do it, and the more they'll tell CCP they are doing it to draw attention to it. its not -necessary- to bot in nullsec to rat afk or alt tabbed into a fleet at the moment.
Unfortunately CCP has utterly bolloxed drone aggro. I did a maze the other day that had the 1 minute full stage drone aggro timer in operation. After losing a total of 11 drones, (2 flights of lights, each 1 shot when shooting the 20+ swarms of elite frigates), I had to give up and shoot every single spaceship and not kite anything because even leaving the battleships to kill the structure, they would turn on the drones force me to bey the whole flight because they'd just turn on the next drone and that was enough to let the structure start repping again. In those conditions the maze takes 120 minutes to complete in the drone proteus and 50 minutes to complete in a tengu.
That doesn't solve the afktar at all, all it does is annoy the absolute hell out of at-keyboard-pilots.
I've never seen an anomoly roll the 1 minute timer, so the only places (the deds) in nullsec that has the absurd over the top afk defence doesn't actually have any afk pilots.
I also believe that in their last fiddle with drone aggro, theyve made the timer roll ignore projected effects from the droneboat, as I used to use a web to manage this problem, and it no longer works. ie CCP goes to extraordinary lengths to stop me at-keyboarding a ded comfortably, but does nothing sensible about the afktar. I don't get why the web has to stopped from working, every time I shoot a webbed target, I have to reset the damn web, it is very close to definitionally unafk and I certainly can't count on afk drones to not shoot a webbed target on me and they could simply make aggressive drones prioritise projected effect targets to turn them off if they wanted a great AFK test. |
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2393
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Posted - 2014.05.16 07:07:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:La Nariz wrote:Security presentation showed that most botting occurs in highsec. In absolute numbers or in percentage per population?
Good question.
All botting is bad, but it has always seemed to me that as most players are in hi-sec then in absolute numbers, most botting in likely to be in h-sec as well. This is not a signature. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2393
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Posted - 2014.05.16 07:09:00 -
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Andski wrote:Audrey UntzUntz wrote:Most caught botting*
It could still be the case, or it could be that null-sec botters are better at their craft, not sure. if you observe more of a thing in area A than in area B, that usually means there is more of that thing in area A
It is also the case that if you spend more time looking for something in A than you do in B then you are more likely to find it in A. This is not a signature. |
Dave Stark
5641
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Posted - 2014.05.16 07:11:00 -
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the real issue with 'afk' gameplay is that to remove it, you basically have to make the game ****** and sucky for everyone. eg the hilariously ******** "minigame" idea for miners, and such. ruining a whole activity for everyone just to spite a few people doing something that requires less input than the way you choose to do something... just going to end up with everyone being unhappy. |
Gregor Parud
495
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Posted - 2014.05.16 07:17:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Once again, a waste of electrons.
The cartels will not allow CCP to go after null sec bots. Remember the facts show highsec bots the most.
The ones that get caught, yes. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2393
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Posted - 2014.05.16 07:19:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:the real issue with 'afk' gameplay is that to remove it, you basically have to make the game ****** and sucky for everyone. eg the hilariously ******** "minigame" idea for miners, and such. ruining a whole activity for everyone just to spite a few people doing something that requires less input than the way you choose to do something... just going to end up with everyone being unhappy.
I have never seen afk as a problem.
So what if someone is afk?
If I am in the middle of a mission waiting to jump into the next room and I walk away from my computer for a minute to answer the phone or the door, would that be classed as afk?
Botting on the other hand, is bad for the game. This is not a signature. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3220
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Posted - 2014.05.16 07:25:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:the real issue with 'afk' gameplay is that to remove it, you basically have to make the game ****** and sucky for everyone. eg the hilariously ******** "minigame" idea for miners, and such. ruining a whole activity for everyone just to spite a few people doing something that requires less input than the way you choose to do something... just going to end up with everyone being unhappy. ehh. more like changing legitimate gameplay to try and combat botting is a terrible way to go about it 'cos it'd usually adversely affect legitimate users
i think that there's a problem with afk gameplay, in that a game that you don't play is a boring game. there's room for improving gameplay so that it induces people to play at the keyboard (and have fun doing it), but it's a bad idea to try and force people to stay and the keyboard and endure poor, boring gameplay. |
Sibyyl
Brave Collective
914
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Posted - 2014.05.16 07:41:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Feast on their drops and crew
Hunger for fresh flesh
Take solace knowing that even after the sun sets, and your sky is filled with darkness, that the sun is still shining. -D. Entervention Psychotic Monk joins BNI |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3220
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Posted - 2014.05.16 07:46:00 -
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10751
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Posted - 2014.05.16 07:52:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Andski wrote:Audrey UntzUntz wrote:Most caught botting*
It could still be the case, or it could be that null-sec botters are better at their craft, not sure. if you observe more of a thing in area A than in area B, that usually means there is more of that thing in area A It is also the case that if you spend more time looking for something in A than you do in B then you are more likely to find it in A.
so you think that CCP's security team actually logs into the game and flies around looking for bots
interesting Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Dave Stark
5641
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Posted - 2014.05.16 08:30:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I have never seen afk as a problem. nor have i, personally. |
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