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Shindad Kal
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.05.16 01:10:00 -
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I am trying to wrap my brain around the size and scale of the Eve universe. I have a hypothetical. Let's say tomorrow morning I log on, grab a shuttle(which I am assuming is the fastest ship i could get my hands on) started at the farthest end of the map and flew to the complete opposite end using only engines and never warping how many days or even years would it take.....has anyone ever heard of this being calculated? |
Little Chubby
Atrocity.
22
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Posted - 2014.05.16 01:11:00 -
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It's about two thirds as big as the mouseover popup scrolling brick of death.
That you can see the edges of the game around that is just a clever perspective trick. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5799
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Posted - 2014.05.16 01:14:00 -
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Shindad Ka wrote: How big is EVE?
She was about 130lbs when I was last with her about 10 years ago.
No telling what she's become since then. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Candi LeMew
Rolled Out
1058
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Posted - 2014.05.16 01:21:00 -
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We talking length or girth of EVE?
And does size even really matter at the end of the day?
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty. |
Ravasta Helugo
Republic University Minmatar Republic
282
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Posted - 2014.05.16 01:37:00 -
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Candi LeMew wrote:We talking length or girth of EVE? And does size even really matter at the end of the day? It only matters for the first four AU. After that you can't really perceive anything. |
Tajic Kaundur
Dropbears Anonymous Brave Collective
53
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Posted - 2014.05.16 01:43:00 -
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Are we including JSpace? |
Aziesta
Serenity Labs
410
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Posted - 2014.05.16 01:46:00 -
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The thread Doc linked estimated 130 ly.
Assuming you didn't warp, as you said, and your shuttle goes around 600m/s (no, it's not the fastest ship you can fly), it would take roughly 65 million years* to go from one end to the other.
*I reserve the right to have failed misserably at math. |
Shindad Kal
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.05.16 01:53:00 -
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Aziesta wrote:The thread Doc linked estimated 130 ly.
Assuming you didn't warp, as you said, and your shuttle goes around 600m/s (no, it's not the fastest ship you can fly), it would take roughly 65 million years* to go from one end to the other.
*I reserve the right to have failed misserably at math. Holy Hell! 65 million years? I definitely did not not expect that big a number...and I am definitely not going to attempt this stunt! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21749
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Posted - 2014.05.16 01:54:00 -
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Let's seeGǪ
K-space width: 845,268,785,854,449,280 metres (~89.3 ly) K-space depth: 215,604,069,482,645,952 metres (~22.8 ly) K-space height: 957,320,693,030,119,680 metres (~101 ly)
Let's pick something reasonably fast that can stay that way for a loooong time. So, say, a 6km/s interceptor.
Just going from top to bottom GÇö the shortest traverse possible GÇö would take 1,138,680 years. From north to south GÇö the longest (single-axis) traverse possible GÇö would take 5,055,943 years.
Hope you packed some lunch. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1477
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Posted - 2014.05.16 02:16:00 -
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This<----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->Big |
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2891
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Posted - 2014.05.16 03:02:00 -
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Even travelling from one celestial to another within a system without warping is totally impractical except for planet to moon trips.
0.3 AU is 45 million kilometers (and a common distance from the sun to planet 1). An interceptor (6km/s) will take 7.5 million seconds to cover that, which is about three months. Set the universe on fire - then sell the survivors ash. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
13590
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Posted - 2014.05.16 04:29:00 -
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Its not the size of the universe that matters, but how you use it.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
298
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Posted - 2014.05.16 04:30:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Even travelling from one celestial to another within a system without warping is totally impractical except for planet to moon trips.
0.3 AU is 45 million kilometers (and a common distance from the sun to planet 1). An interceptor (6km/s) will take 7.5 million seconds to cover that, which is about three months.
Did you factor in that EVE days are only 23 hours 30 minutes long? That awkward moment at the Gentlemen's Club when you see your sister on the stage....and you're not sure where to put the money.... |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
4379
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Posted - 2014.05.16 04:41:00 -
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It's um... about 20 inches according to my monitor.. from corner to corner Yeah, millions of years sounds about right, the graphics card is starting to get a little dated. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
754
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Posted - 2014.05.16 06:46:00 -
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People used to build deadspace/officer fitted frigates that did 40km/s or better sub warp.
Not sure if that is still possible. |
Shindad Kal
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.05.16 06:56:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:This<----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->Big well it was inevitable that someone would post this...:) |
DrSmegma
Smegma United
76
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Posted - 2014.05.16 08:21:00 -
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Haha what a story Mark. Space lonely? www.multicamchat.com |
D20 Rollings
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.05.16 08:28:00 -
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Dunno the numbers
This game gives a real sense of leaving reality, and embarking on an epic journey. I spent hours yesterday jumping from wormhole to wormhole before finally deciding to just gate jump back to hisec.
Bring on the other "space games", eve will still reign supreme.
/craps on wildstar /scoops up crap...don't want to waste it on rifraf |
DrSmegma
Smegma United
81
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Posted - 2014.05.16 09:10:00 -
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I always had the impression that Eve is really tiny, but nobody is there. Probably because I can talk to everyone but not see anyone. Ever. And it takes ages to travel only to find myself in the same place again. Space lonely? www.multicamchat.com |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
152
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Posted - 2014.05.16 09:11:00 -
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Aziesta wrote:The thread Doc linked estimated 130 ly. Wow thats really really small.
The milky way galaxy has a diameter of something above 100k light years with the nearest star to our sun being something about 4 light years away if I remember correctly. So if everything in eve fits into a 130 light year diameter that would fit into a tiny fraction of our galaxy.
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Cypherous
Liberty Rogues Aprilon Dynasty
66
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Posted - 2014.05.16 09:35:00 -
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Shindad Kal wrote:Aziesta wrote:The thread Doc linked estimated 130 ly.
Assuming you didn't warp, as you said, and your shuttle goes around 600m/s (no, it's not the fastest ship you can fly), it would take roughly 65 million years* to go from one end to the other.
*I reserve the right to have failed misserably at math. Holy Hell! 65 million years? I definitely did not not expect that big a number...and I am definitely not going to attempt this stunt!
Its also actually impossible without using stargates as you can't just pass from 1 system to another without a session change :) |
Alexei Stryker
Steiners Erben Die Konkurrenz
4
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Posted - 2014.05.16 09:48:00 -
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Ka'Narlist wrote:Aziesta wrote:The thread Doc linked estimated 130 ly. Wow thats really really small. The milky way galaxy has a diameter of something above 100k light years with the nearest star to our sun being something about 4 light years away if I remember correctly. So if everything in eve fits into a 130 light year diameter that would fit into a tiny fraction of our galaxy.
The eve star systems known to us is just a tiny fraction of a galaxy. 7500+ system is not much. The starmap also is not showing if eve is a spiral with 2 or 3 or four arms. Or is eve just a small satellite galaxy? Maybe CCP should make a full galaxy map of eve :)
I am also missing binary systems, pulsars, blackholes and habitable moons. And many many many other things |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
477
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Posted - 2014.05.16 09:48:00 -
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EvE is very very small. 130 lightyears should about the average distance between systems. Not the span of a 'galaxy'.
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2394
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Posted - 2014.05.16 10:20:00 -
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The slower your ship, the bigger Eve is. This is not a signature. |
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CCP Falcon
7116
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Posted - 2014.05.16 10:38:00 -
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New Eden isn't a galaxy, it's a dense cluster of starts that may or may not be part of a galaxy.
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1105
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Posted - 2014.05.16 10:55:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:New Eden isn't a galaxy, it's a dense cluster of starts that may or may not be part of a galaxy. stars*
Yay hardcore dev spelling correction! :D https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears!
Red blood, boiling hot! |
Alexei Stryker
Steiners Erben Die Konkurrenz
4
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Posted - 2014.05.16 11:05:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:New Eden isn't a galaxy, it's a dense cluster of starts that may or may not be part of a galaxy.
how can people with such an advanced technology not know that? Even we know if we are part of a galaxy or not. |
Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
2
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Posted - 2014.05.16 11:14:00 -
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Almost as big as the egos of the people who play it |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2892
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Posted - 2014.05.16 12:31:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:New Eden isn't a galaxy, it's a dense cluster of starts that may or may not be part of a galaxy.
Do such clusters exist outside galaxies? I know that individual stars escape galaxies due to being slingshotted out by supermassive black holes, but an event like that would not leave a cluster of stars intact (much less leave their planets) Set the universe on fire - then sell the survivors ash. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
152
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Posted - 2014.05.16 12:36:00 -
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Cypherous wrote: Its also actually impossible without using stargates as you can't just pass from 1 system to another without a session change :)
Well if you want to talk about game mechanics, no one could answer my question so far if its even possible to reach another point in a system without warping (and thus triggering a grid change). For example slowboating from one planet to another and waiting a long time. |
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1356
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Posted - 2014.05.16 12:38:00 -
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Ka'Narlist wrote:Aziesta wrote:The thread Doc linked estimated 130 ly. Wow thats really really small. The milky way galaxy has a diameter of something above 100k light years with the nearest star to our sun being something about 4 light years away if I remember correctly. So if everything in eve fits into a 130 light year diameter that would fit into a tiny fraction of our galaxy.
And your point? Did eve map ever looked like a galaxy to you? "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
152
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Posted - 2014.05.16 14:05:00 -
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That its a really really small area of space No reason to get all defensive everytime you hear the word small dude |
Minty Aroma
Nisroc Angels The Obsidian Front
35
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Posted - 2014.05.16 14:16:00 -
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Ka'Narlist wrote:Aziesta wrote:The thread Doc linked estimated 130 ly. Wow thats really really small. The milky way galaxy has a diameter of something above 100k light years with the nearest star to our sun being something about 4 light years away if I remember correctly. So if everything in eve fits into a 130 light year diameter that would fit into a tiny fraction of our galaxy.
But the Milky Way has 100s of billions of stars. That would take wayyyyyyy to long to program! |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
153
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Posted - 2014.05.16 14:18:00 -
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Yeah, but even with this "few" systems Eve imho feels a lot bigger |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11487
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Posted - 2014.05.16 14:27:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:New Eden isn't a galaxy, it's a dense cluster of starts that may or may not be part of a galaxy. Do such clusters exist outside galaxies? I know that individual stars escape galaxies due to being slingshotted out by supermassive black holes, but an event like that would not leave a cluster of stars intact (much less leave their planets)
We have several Globular Clusters around our own Galaxy. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Aziesta
Serenity Labs
411
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Posted - 2014.05.16 15:20:00 -
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Ka'Narlist wrote:Well if you want to talk about game mechanics, no one could answer my question so far if its even possible to reach another point in a system without warping (and thus triggering a grid change). For example slowboating from one planet to another and waiting a long time. This is entirely possible. Grid change is different than session change. For example, if you undock your ship and point it in a random direction, eventually the security guns/other people around the station will disappear from your overview. Similarly, if you turn around, eventually they would show up again. This works for anything within a system, it's only moving between systems that requires a session change. |
Darth Kilth
Silver Guardians Fidelas Constans
171
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Posted - 2014.05.16 15:22:00 -
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Minty Aroma wrote:Ka'Narlist wrote:Aziesta wrote:The thread Doc linked estimated 130 ly. Wow thats really really small. The milky way galaxy has a diameter of something above 100k light years with the nearest star to our sun being something about 4 light years away if I remember correctly. So if everything in eve fits into a 130 light year diameter that would fit into a tiny fraction of our galaxy. But the Milky Way has 100s of billions of stars. That would take wayyyyyyy to long to program! Not to mention with the small amount of players we have, how would we ever fill any of it? |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3661
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Posted - 2014.05.16 15:58:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:New Eden isn't a galaxy, it's a dense cluster of starts that may or may not be part of a galaxy.
I always figured with that kind of density AND all the dust clouds and nebulae, it's probably a young (and huge) stellar nursery. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries Order of the Exalted
563
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Posted - 2014.05.16 16:19:00 -
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Ka'Narlist wrote:Aziesta wrote:The thread Doc linked estimated 130 ly. Wow thats really really small. The milky way galaxy has a diameter of something above 100k light years with the nearest star to our sun being something about 4 light years away if I remember correctly. So if everything in eve fits into a 130 light year diameter that would fit into a tiny fraction of our galaxy. Eve takes place in a star cluster in a larger galaxy. Most galaxies have more than 5000 stars. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
155
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Posted - 2014.05.16 18:15:00 -
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Aziesta wrote:Ka'Narlist wrote:Well if you want to talk about game mechanics, no one could answer my question so far if its even possible to reach another point in a system without warping (and thus triggering a grid change). For example slowboating from one planet to another and waiting a long time. This is entirely possible. Grid change is different than session change. For example, if you undock your ship and point it in a random direction, eventually the security guns/other people around the station will disappear from your overview. Similarly, if you turn around, eventually they would show up again. This works for anything within a system, it's only moving between systems that requires a session change. Unfortunatly the explanation you provided doesn't prove the point. It may work that way or just just continue flying through empty space even if you flew in the right direction and have passed the right distance, because maybe loading the other enviornment (for example the planet you want to reach) is only triggered by warping. As long as no one proves this by trying out only the devs can answer this, but they don't seem to want to |
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Cypherous
Liberty Rogues Aprilon Dynasty
66
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Posted - 2014.05.16 18:33:00 -
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Ka'Narlist wrote:Aziesta wrote:Ka'Narlist wrote:Well if you want to talk about game mechanics, no one could answer my question so far if its even possible to reach another point in a system without warping (and thus triggering a grid change). For example slowboating from one planet to another and waiting a long time. This is entirely possible. Grid change is different than session change. For example, if you undock your ship and point it in a random direction, eventually the security guns/other people around the station will disappear from your overview. Similarly, if you turn around, eventually they would show up again. This works for anything within a system, it's only moving between systems that requires a session change. Unfortunatly the explanation you provided doesn't prove the point. It may work that way or just just continue flying through empty space even if you flew in the right direction and have passed the right distance, because maybe loading the other enviornment (for example the planet you want to reach) is only triggered by warping. As long as no one proves this by trying out only the devs can answer this, but they don't seem to want to
As mentioned grids don't require a session change to pass between, there is actually a PDF out there that explains in detail about grids, its a book called Grid-Fu and is actually quite the interesting read if you can find it, i'm not sure how many of the mechanics have changed though but it should still be mostly correct |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
227
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Posted - 2014.05.16 19:03:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:New Eden isn't a galaxy, it's a dense cluster of starts that may or may not be part of a galaxy.
Ah HA Now Confirmed
The new player-made star gates will serve to connect the New Eden Cluster to the greater Eve Galaxy The cat is now out of the bag and never going back in.
Thanks Falcon I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses.............. |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
900
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Posted - 2014.05.16 19:10:00 -
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New Eden is an interstellar neighborhood, which is basically just a cluster of stars that are nearby each other. Typically this is just a small segment of a Galaxy, which is part of a Galactic Neighborhood, which is part of a Super Cluster, which is one of many neighboring super clusters, which combined make up the visible universe.
Like this. http://fishofgold.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/neighborhood.jpg |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
518
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Posted - 2014.05.16 19:40:00 -
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Ka'Narlist wrote:Aziesta wrote:Ka'Narlist wrote:Well if you want to talk about game mechanics, no one could answer my question so far if its even possible to reach another point in a system without warping (and thus triggering a grid change). For example slowboating from one planet to another and waiting a long time. This is entirely possible. Grid change is different than session change. For example, if you undock your ship and point it in a random direction, eventually the security guns/other people around the station will disappear from your overview. Similarly, if you turn around, eventually they would show up again. This works for anything within a system, it's only moving between systems that requires a session change. Unfortunatly the explanation you provided doesn't prove the point. It may work that way or just just continue flying through empty space even if you flew in the right direction and have passed the right distance, because maybe loading the other enviornment (for example the planet you want to reach) is only triggered by warping. As long as no one proves this by trying out only the devs can answer this, but they don't seem to want to
Its kinda a moot point. Why? Because lets just say you did try, this means that if it took 3 months to get from a planet to a moon slow boating, or hell, lets just say it will take 3 days (I an not gonna do the math, this is just an example, sue me) Once a day you will be forced to log out due to DT. When you log back in, you will be forced to warp. So, in theory, even IF the grid will not show unless you warp, on the third day when you arrive, you will have to log back in eventually and thus will be forced to warp.
But as has been said by a lot of people, warping is not a session change. And when you move off and on grids things show up and vanish. Thus not warping, it should be possible, given no downtime, to eventually slow boat from one body to another. you just can't say slow boat from jita to perimeter without using a gate. Perimeter will never 'spawn' for you 10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3619
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Posted - 2014.05.16 19:48:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Let's seeGǪ K-space width: 845,268,785,854,449,280 metres (~89.3 ly) K-space depth: 215,604,069,482,645,952 metres (~22.8 ly) K-space height: 957,320,693,030,119,680 metres (~101 ly) Let's pick something reasonably fast that can stay that way for a loooong time. So, say, a 6km/s interceptor. Just going from top to bottom GÇö the shortest traverse possible GÇö would take 1,138,680 years. From north to south GÇö the longest (single-axis) traverse possible GÇö would take 5,055,943 years. Hope you packed some lunch. Oh, and warping across at 24 AU/s (which should be compared to slow-poke photons, which only travel at 0.002 AU/s) still takes 3 days. There's a reason why we have star gates. More trivia, from The not-so-great-after-all deep safe nerf of 2010:
CCP Greyscale wrote:The furthest bookmark is 5,900,000,000 AU (95,000 light years) from its sun. This is roughly the same distance as the diameter of the milky way |
Hoshi
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2014.05.16 21:10:00 -
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Ka'Narlist wrote:Unfortunatly the explanation you provided doesn't prove the point. It may work that way or just just continue flying through empty space even if you flew in the right direction and have passed the right distance, because maybe loading the other enviornment (for example the planet you want to reach) is only triggered by warping. As long as no one proves this by trying out only the devs can answer this, but they don't seem to want to There are some objects that are close enough to "slowboat" between. The 2 stations around Jita VI M4 is a good example, another would be 2 of the gates in KDF-GY.
Another similar example is that it's possible to slowboat between Deadspace Pockets without using the acceleration gates. "Memories are meant to fade. They're designed that way for a reason." |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
156
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Posted - 2014.05.16 21:22:00 -
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Hoshi wrote:[quote=Ka'Narlist] another would be 2 of the gates in KDF-GY. Thanks, will try that out when I find the login button again |
Daenika
MMO-Mechanics.com
102
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Posted - 2014.05.16 23:49:00 -
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Farthest system to farthest system (looks to be M-VACR to MVUO-F) is a travel distance on jumps of 113,739 lightyears. That's a reaonably straight line, but assuming a 15% overestimate of distance, that's still a minimum of about 97,000 lightyears across, or about 9 * 10^17 km.
A shuttle moves at around a half a kilometer per second. At that speed, it would take the shuttle around 60 billion years to cross that distance.
The fastest ship I've ever seen in EVE ran at 26 kilometers per second. At that velocity, it would take that ship a bit over 1 billion years to cross that distance.
A Leopard warps at 20 AU (1 AU = ~150 million kilometers) per second. Even at that speed, it would still take the Leopard just under 10 years to cross the distance (and that's assuming the Leopard could warp the whole distance in one go, rather than stopping for a capacitor recharge every ~100-200 AU like it has to now).
Moral of the story: EVE is BIG
Incidentally, 100,000 lightyears is roughly the prevailing estimate for diameter of the stellar disk of the Milky Way galaxy we inhabit, so EVE's galaxy is actually reasonably realistically sized. That said, if we want realism, there's should be a super-massive black hole with nothing around it right about between Derelik and Sing Laison. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
479
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Posted - 2014.05.17 00:24:00 -
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The galaxy in the map is not a complete galaxy. It is only a selection of binary systems in a much larger galaxy. The actual galaxy has billions of stars.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
603
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Posted - 2014.05.17 05:38:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:New Eden isn't a galaxy, it's a dense cluster of starts that may or may not be part of a galaxy. There should be a super massive black hole in the middle of empire space if it were a galaxy. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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Kenneth Endashi
Green Skull LLC
12
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Posted - 2014.05.17 06:33:00 -
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Rough calculations based on estimates of our own galaxy:
Milky Way contains roughly 300 billion stars. If New Eden contains 7,500 stars, that means we could fit 40 million New Edens inside the Milky Way galaxy.
New Eden would constitute 0.0000024999999999999998 percent of the Milky Way.
This is where my math breaks down. The Milky Way is between 100,000 and 120,000 light years across. Assuming our stars are just as evenly distributed, my math puts New Eden at .003 light years across. I know that's gotta be wrong, though, since the closest star to Earth in the Milky Way galaxy is 1 light year away. Can somebody help me?
Aside: .003 almost seems like a binary star system, which brings me to another question: Why are there no binary star systems in Eve?
New Eden by videogame standards is impressively massive, but relatively small (even without my bad math) compared to the probable density of our own galactic arm. |
Shindad Kal
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.05.17 16:25:00 -
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Daenika wrote:Farthest system to farthest system (looks to be M-VACR to MVUO-F) is a travel distance on jumps of 113,739 lightyears. That's a reaonably straight line, but assuming a 15% overestimate of distance, that's still a minimum of about 97,000 lightyears across, or about 9 * 10^17 km.
A shuttle moves at around a half a kilometer per second. At that speed, it would take the shuttle around 60 billion years to cross that distance.
The fastest ship I've ever seen in EVE ran at 26 kilometers per second. At that velocity, it would take that ship a bit over 1 billion years to cross that distance.
A Leopard warps at 20 AU (1 AU = ~150 million kilometers) per second. Even at that speed, it would still take the Leopard just under 10 years to cross the distance (and that's assuming the Leopard could warp the whole distance in one go, rather than stopping for a capacitor recharge every ~100-200 AU like it has to now).
Moral of the story: EVE is BIG
Incidentally, 100,000 lightyears is roughly the prevailing estimate for diameter of the stellar disk of the Milky Way galaxy we inhabit, so EVE's galaxy is actually reasonably realistically sized. That said, if we want realism, there's should be a super-massive black hole with nothing around it right about between Derelik and Sing Laison.
Ok so far this is the best explanation....so if I am getting this right...it is quite possible that unless I make a concerted effort...I will probably never see all of the eve universe...in my lifetime? |
Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2014.05.17 17:13:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:New Eden isn't a galaxy, it's a dense cluster of starts that may or may not be part of a galaxy. There should be a super massive black hole in the middle of empire space if it were a galaxy. Jita? CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, please give us an off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals. |
Little Chubby
Atrocity.
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Posted - 2014.05.18 03:12:00 -
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Deacon Abox wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:New Eden isn't a galaxy, it's a dense cluster of starts that may or may not be part of a galaxy. There should be a super massive black hole in the middle of empire space if it were a galaxy. Jita?
He didn't say supermassive **** hole.
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Sul Glass
Iron Crown JINN.
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Posted - 2014.05.18 13:56:00 -
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Small enough to fly all the way round in about 3 1/2 hours.
I know because I did. All the way around the outside (apart from dead ends) in a cloaky, bubble buster, Tengu.
As far as I know, first and only.
Bit boring TBH, but some null-bears were a bit surprised.
Sul
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Tikitina
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.18 14:02:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:New Eden isn't a galaxy, it's a dense cluster of starts that may or may not be part of a galaxy.
Yeah, you guys thought you could keep the Eve Cluster hidden, but we found it.
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Doreen Kaundur
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Posted - 2014.05.18 14:15:00 -
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How big is EVE?
She's real big. Just ask her gynocologist.
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KaarBaak
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Posted - 2014.05.18 14:42:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Let's seeGǪ K-space width: 845,268,785,854,449,280 metres (~89.3 ly) K-space depth: 215,604,069,482,645,952 metres (~22.8 ly) K-space height: 957,320,693,030,119,680 metres (~101 ly) Let's pick something reasonably fast that can stay that way for a loooong time. So, say, a 6km/s interceptor. Just going from top to bottom GÇö the shortest traverse possible GÇö would take 1,138,680 years. From north to south GÇö the longest (single-axis) traverse possible GÇö would take 5,055,943 years. Hope you packed some lunch. Oh, and warping across at 24 AU/s (which should be compared to slow-poke photons, which only travel at 0.002 AU/s) still takes 3 days. There's a reason why we have star gates.
On top of the time requirement then, you'd have to drop nearly $150,000,000 on sub costs.
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Iron Wraith
The Devils Own
0
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Posted - 2014.05.19 16:03:00 -
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Shindad Kal wrote:Ok so far this is the best explanation....so if I am getting this right...it is quite possible that unless I make a concerted effort...I will probably never see all of the eve universe...in my lifetime? nono, we have stargates that trivialise such distances, your original question was asking about traveling from A to B without stargates, hence all the maths :)
as mentioned above you can do a lap of eve in a fast ship in a few hours. personally i made my lap of eve before warp to zero was an option and it took me just over 4 hours in a 5km/s interceptor (15KM sprint to each gate getting shot at on the way).
so if you got a sneaky cloaky ship you could visit every single system over time, though you might want a character just for that as they will be stuck out on that road trip for a good long while.
you might want to do some regular sightseeing instead. go find the eve gate and the obelisk, also visit some of the empire homes and take a trip through null sec in a ship and clone you don't mind losing |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
660
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Posted - 2014.05.19 16:05:00 -
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By my measurements 1920x1200 pixels. Never changes.... |
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