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xxxak
Intergalactic Syndicate Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:11:00 -
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CCP has proven yet again that they are no better than other modern game corporations, lurching forward without any finesse or sense of elegance.
The changes to Supercarriers, which now are nearly set in stone, are hilariously bad.
The changes do nothing to address the issue of super-blobbing. By taking away all small drones, CCP has now made solo or small groups of Supercarriers totally non-viable. The only possible use for Supercarriers is now in massive megablobs of other Supers, which only a handful of alliances/coalitions can field.
Anyone who attempts to use Supercarriers for small hot drops, small scale structure bashes, or other such non-blob work will be caught with their pants down and dragged to to a bloody and gruesome death.
The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how blunt and confused CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly.
Supercap pilots thinking with a full set of marbles are now heavily incentivesed to join the largest alliance they can find. This will only make Super blobs worse.
Finally, these changes mean that Supers will be used less. On some level, this is not a bad thing. Personally, I might advocate for the total removal of Supers from the game. However, CCP has also just nerfed the "end game" of EVE. Oh, and for all of you who claim that EVE is a sandbox with no end game, go take a basic psychology class at your local community college. Pathetic.
I, for one, hope my tears, at least, fuel you in your future journeys. I expect that by this time next year CCP will be a tattered corpse lying in a gutter by the access road.
TL;DR -- the new changes do nothing to reduce supercap blobbing, and in fact just make super pilots wants to get into bigger mega blobs. CCP fails and proves itself to be a dumb blunt-minded brute. Nerfing supers is not going to help the N+1/Blob problem. It will just mean that superpilots will be even more likely to want to blob. Think more creatively. Support the idea of a subcap "assault bomber." |
mkint
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:14:00 -
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Your post would have been better if you were trying to garner the support of your fellow forumites instead of insulting them just for the hell of it.
That said, this (potentially good) topic is now about cheese. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:15:00 -
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You're complaining about more people dying? wtf is the world comming to?
I passed basic phyc the only end game there is the one you set for yourself.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:16:00 -
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mkint wrote:Your post would have been better if you were trying to garner the support of your fellow forumites instead of insulting them just for the hell of it.
That said, this (potentially good) topic is now about cheese.
I like velveta cheese for some reason, Its supposed to be cheddar but the way it melts and gooey and the sorts just make it far superior to most other cheddars i know of.
Also american cheese isnt a real cheese is a cheese byproduct.
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xxxak
Intergalactic Syndicate Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:16:00 -
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mkint wrote:Your post would have been better if you were trying to garner the support of your fellow forumites instead of insulting them just for the hell of it.
That said, this (potentially good) topic is now about cheese.
I don't think I am insulting most forum-dwelling fatbodies. I think I am insulting CCP... but correct me if I am wrong.. :p Nerfing supers is not going to help the N+1/Blob problem. It will just mean that superpilots will be even more likely to want to blob. Think more creatively. Support the idea of a subcap "assault bomber." |
Zagam
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:16:00 -
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tl;dr - OP has no idea what they are talking about, doesn't read dev blogs, and doesn't read other parts of the forum.
Seriously though... CCP's changes aren't forcing bigger supercap blobs. They are forcing supercaps to require a *fleet* of support. Supercaps aren't designed to OMGWTFBBQ rats or subcaps. They are designed to be anti-capital ships.
Y'all are welcome to make bigger supercap blobs - gives us more targets to shoot in our new BCs. |
Minister of Death
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:18:00 -
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it's about cheese now?
one word: HAVARTI |
Vmir Gallahasen
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:20:00 -
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xxxak wrote:Anyone who attempts to use Supercarriers for small hot drops, small scale structure bashes, or other such non-blob work will be caught with their pants down and dragged to to a bloody and gruesome death. That sounds like Mission Accomplished to me. Alliance tool should be used for alliance stuff and not hotdropping a bc in lowsec
xxxak wrote:The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how blunt and confused CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly. Not really. Your support fleet should take care of that no problem. The original point of the aggression timer/ship stays in space was to prevent people from logging in combat to escape defeat. EHP of SCs allowed them to do exactly that. Loophole closed. What's ridiculous is that it stayed in for as long as it has
xxxak wrote:Supercap pilots thinking with a full set of marbles are now heavily incentivesed to join the largest alliance they can find. This will only make Super blobs worse. Maybe it will. In which case the changes still aren't enough. I'm an advocate of removing their RR personally. We've got carriers to do that, Capital gank ships shouldn't be filling a logistical role now that they aren't motherships any more.
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Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
126
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:21:00 -
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I was having a rough day. Thank you for posting this i am now laughing and basking in your rage.
All the things you think are a problem I am very happy with. I am glad super owners are pissed and i hope you all leave the game so we can have fun pvp again. CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
InVictus Kell
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:24:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:mkint wrote:Your post would have been better if you were trying to garner the support of your fellow forumites instead of insulting them just for the hell of it.
That said, this (potentially good) topic is now about cheese. I like velveta cheese for some reason, Its supposed to be cheddar but the way it melts and gooey and the sorts just make it far superior to most other cheddars i know of. Also american cheese isnt a real cheese is a cheese byproduct.
Velveeta?!? VELVEETA?!?
You sir are no longer allowed to have cheese. or you can have blue cheese only.
good day sir!
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mkint
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:30:00 -
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InVictus Kell wrote:Nova Fox wrote:mkint wrote:Your post would have been better if you were trying to garner the support of your fellow forumites instead of insulting them just for the hell of it.
That said, this (potentially good) topic is now about cheese. I like velveta cheese for some reason, Its supposed to be cheddar but the way it melts and gooey and the sorts just make it far superior to most other cheddars i know of. Also american cheese isnt a real cheese is a cheese byproduct. Velveeta?!? VELVEETA?!? You sir are no longer allowed to have cheese. or you can have blue cheese only. good day sir! Velveeta has a high fat content and lots of emulsifiers which makes it melt down better without having to try to stabilize it. Yeah, it doesn't have the nuanced flavor of real cheeses, but as a dirty indulgence it's fine.
Same with "American" cheeses. I say Meunster is what real American cheese should have been. And bleu cheese is awesome in the right circumstances... hot wings anyone? |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:31:00 -
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Zagam wrote:
Seriously though... CCP's changes aren't forcing bigger supercap blobs. They are forcing supercaps to require a *fleet* of support. Supercaps aren't designed to OMGWTFBBQ rats or subcaps. They are designed to be anti-capital ships.
Indeed.
Not even in real-world navies do aircraft carriers operate without some kind of support, whether from the aircraft they carry with them or from other smaller ships in the fleet. Because of their immense size and relatively low moblity, and the fact that most of their guns are designed for long-range bombardment, rather than anti-aircraft fire, operating without support is pretty much suicide. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:34:00 -
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Minister of Death wrote:it's about cheese now?
one word: HAVARTI
Havarti, absolutely. A fine cheese, that one. This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:40:00 -
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Minister of Death wrote:it's about cheese now?
one word: HAVARTI
i see your HAVARTI and raise you a HALOUMI
also, OP cry mroe about your win button beign removed, also, there is no end game |
Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:42:00 -
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Small and solo supers are perfectly viable, they just need a subcap support fleet. That's how they're supposed to work.
Ninja edit: I'm also a provolone man myself. Regards,
Sgt. Aiwha |
Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:42:00 -
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xxxak wrote:The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how blunt and confused CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly.
if only there were ships capable of killing the mighty ibis solo
or, if only you could warp off or jump out instead of logging off
or, if only you could wait out your 15 minute aggression timer first
this horrible situation might not happen
mkint wrote:That said, this (potentially good) topic is now about cheese.
I like provolone, american cheese is edible but only barely so |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:46:00 -
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So when you say " hilariously bad" you mean " totally awesome"? Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:47:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:aircraft carriers [...] and the fact that most of their guns are designed for long-range bombardment
what |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:48:00 -
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I dont think you should post anymore. |
Daedalus Arcova
Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:49:00 -
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xxxak wrote:WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! MY SOLOPWNMACHINE IS BROKENENEN!
HTFU. Wasn't that what you superc***s used to say when anyone pointed out that supercaps were ruining the game? |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:50:00 -
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Chaos Incarnate wrote:xxxak wrote:The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how blunt and confused CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly. if only there were ships capable of killing the mighty ibis solo or, if only you could warp off or jump out instead of logging off or, if only you could wait out your 15 minute aggression timer first this horrible situation might not happen mkint wrote:That said, this (potentially good) topic is now about cheese. I like provolone, american cheese is edible but only barely so
This. Provolone rules. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Diosas
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:50:00 -
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You are missing the point of the changes, it's also to give proper roles Carriers = logistics + some defensive capabilities with no change to fighters Dreads have been buffed so really these should go back being pos/building killers and also super killers Super caps are cap killers and structure killers Nothing stopping you from hot dropping at allyiu just can't hot drop sub caps , sorry maybe you should learn to pvp rather thinking you can drop on a small fleet with big toys!! And have no consequences! Now you will actually have to think! Best thing they did, should of went further! Titans also now only can kill caps! Yes! Stop whining cos you can't use an I win button anymOre |
Rod Blaine
Gilded Goose Brokerage
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:51:00 -
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Hi, 2003 player here, can fly all types of caps with damn decent skills, but won't touch 'em since flying them is sooooo daaaamn booooooriiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnngggggggg i fall to sleep even think....zzzzzz
am i missing the end game? |
Gregor Marethel
Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:52:00 -
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Mozzarella is the best cheese of all, although I currently crave a grilled cheese sandwich of pepper jack on pumpernickel. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:52:00 -
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I like provolone but for some reason the stuff provided by the resturant is much better than any of my local deli stores has i dunno why.
Swiss has always been a mixed bag as well, some of the stuff is like ultra sharp and others ultra smooth.
And i for one abhor blue cheese on my salad. On the other hand had some of it on a hot dog recently where it wasnt as bad.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:04:00 -
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xxxak wrote:However, CCP has also just nerfed the "end game" of EVE.
Supercaps are not everyone's end-game. Flying a slow ship that requires you to multibox, isn't immediately replaceable in the event that you meet its destruction, gets you watchlisted by half of EVE the first time it shows up in a killmail, and is absolutely screwed when it meets a bubble isn't a terribly exciting prospect for a lot of us. |
Zions Child
Odyssey Inc SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:06:00 -
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Depends on what I'm eating. Any sort of pasta, I love mozzarella. Especially the fresh stuff, nothing better. Parmesean as well. Provolone is good on sandwiches. At my grocery store they have this horseradish cheddar which is fantastic.
At OP: I suppose you think the change to Titan DDs, that they can only be used on Caps (And freighters) is a bad thing? I mean, seriously. Oh noes, I can't hot drop in my super carrier, whatever will I do! I don't know, maybe get in a smaller ******* ship? |
Spectre80
The Knights Templar R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:10:00 -
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Death to all supercapitals. |
Jerek Mothas
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:15:00 -
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Supercarriers are not supposed to be solo ships. That is all.
On a side note, I love to eat a large-ish chunk of cheddar now and again. Mozzarella sticks are wonderful. And parmesan is the best thing ever put onto pasta. I bless the man who first thought of it. |
InVictus Kell
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:17:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:I like provolone but for some reason the stuff provided by the resturant is much better than any of my local deli stores has i dunno why.
Swiss has always been a mixed bag as well, some of the stuff is like ultra sharp and others ultra smooth.
And i for one abhor blue cheese on my salad. On the other hand had some of it on a hot dog recently where it wasnt as bad.
Nova, you have been "good day sir"-ed. you must abide by the rules of international conversationalism.
Velveeta...blegh.
give me fontina or give me some other delicious REAL cheese.
fondue would also be acceptable. |
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