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xxxak
Intergalactic Syndicate Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:18:00 -
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TROLOLOLOLOL
But seri0us, I am mad, bro. Nerfing supers is not going to help the N+1/Blob problem. It will just mean that superpilots will be even more likely to want to blob. Think more creatively. Support the idea of a subcap "assault bomber." |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1513
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:19:00 -
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xxxak wrote:However, CCP has also just nerfed the "end game" of EVE. No. They just balanced what you have chosen to define as the end of your game. They rather buffed my end-game.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Zagam
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
245
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:21:00 -
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Oh, for cheese... Grouda = good. Havarti and a nice sharp cheddar are also great.
http://alouettecheese.com/products/limited-edition-cheesecake-spreadable-cheese.aspx is FANTASTIC on graham crackers.. |
Zagam
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
245
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:22:00 -
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xxxak wrote:TROLOLOLOLOL
But seri0us, I am mad, bro.
You put way too much effort into this troll. 0/10 trollpoints. |
Alistair Cononach
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
54
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:25:00 -
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xxxak wrote:The changes do nothing to address the issue of super-blobbing. By taking away all small drones, CCP has now made solo or small groups of Supercarriers totally non-viable.
Good. Super Capitals are not solo PvP Ships. The fact that a solo unsupported Super Cap. woul die in a fire is an improvement to the game.
I look forward to seeing the first report of an Alliance that drops 20-30 SuperCaps in without appropriate Conventional Support, thats runs into a large group of Conventionals.
Hopefully, we won;t face any more "they dropped 5 SuperCaps, now our fleet of 100 Conventionals must run and hide, because we can;t even touch them, and they can pop us easy".
And if this fix doesn;t do that, then the next round of fixes hopefully will.
Quote:The only possible use for Supercarriers is now in massive megablobs of other Supers, which only a handful of alliances/coalitions can field.
The same as any group who tries to use a small amount of Conventionals will get blobbed by a huge amount of conventionals back in the day, and only a few Alliances/NAPs could put forth 1,000 man Conventional Fleets?
Human Nature is human nature, blobbing wins, so humans will do it. The fact that real war throughout history also had blobbing is just icing on the top on the argument.
Until CCP can create a mechanic that makes blobbign less effective than non-blobbing, blobbing is the the way of things, generally.
After all, there should be a reward for those who can manage and control the largest number fo people in a Space Politics Simulator, shouldn't there?
And just FYI, I'm in a small Cap-weak Alliance myself.
Anyone who attempts to use Supercarriers for small hot drops, small scale structure bashes, or other such non-blob work will be caught with their pants down and dragged to to a bloody and gruesome death.
Quote:Finally, these changes mean that Supers will be used less
A win in my book. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
336
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:31:00 -
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Colby Jack count?
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Dorkus Americanus
The Laugh Factory
0
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:31:00 -
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I concur... Provolone cheese is awesome. And what's funny about American Cheese is it was actually invented in Switzerland, but Kraft got the patent on it first. |
InVictus Kell
The Scope Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:32:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Colby Jack count?
you win this round |
Daedalus Arcova
Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.
116
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:32:00 -
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xxxak wrote:TROLOLOLOLOL
But seri0us, I am mad, bro.
GTFO! You're not getting out of being flamed to hell for being a whiny little ***** that easily. That was no troll. FFS you even make the same (bullshit) point in your sig. |
thoth rothschild
First Aid Emergency Service
24
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:34:00 -
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definitly gauda or mozarella I also really like tokajer to my cheese :D |
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IIIAsharakIII
GR3Y N0MADS
4
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:34:00 -
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I love how in this corld, dark universe we call eve...
Everyone sits around and bitches about balance and fairness.
Wow what a hardcore game. |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
165
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:37:00 -
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cry more you little whiny ***** (OP) MM Bombers, Best Bombers |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
107
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:47:00 -
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xxxak wrote:, CCP has now made solo or small groups of Supercarriers totally non-viable.
They were never supposed to be viable without fleet support, genius.
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thoth rothschild
First Aid Emergency Service
24
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:50:00 -
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I start to wonder if ppl considered a group of 10 supers small scale pvp ? |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
107
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:50:00 -
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Andski wrote:Supercaps are ... absolutely screwed when it meets a bubble isn't a terribly exciting prospect for a lot of us.
Bubbles interdict supers? |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
338
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:51:00 -
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IIIAsharakIII wrote:I love how in this corld, dark universe we call eve...
Everyone sits around and bitches about balance and fairness.
Wow what a hardcore game.
Then we talk about cheese.
I forgot what type of cheese they are but they come in minature wheels its like 7$ USD a small bag of 5 of them and these things are so rich I almost get sick eating just one but ahh they're so good.
Also IMO if they keep nerfing the supers at this rate they need to give an option to dock them up or anchor them at a pos.
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Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
107
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:53:00 -
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I am partial to colby jack.
I think that's that kind that is two of them mixed in. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:54:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Andski wrote:Supercaps are ... absolutely screwed when it meets a bubble isn't a terribly exciting prospect for a lot of us. Bubbles interdict supers? Don;'t use em, so not sure but aren't supers immune to EWAR (which would include bubbles right?)?
Anyway... 1) this change will mean that supper blobs are not viable, needing super and sub blobs instead (because getting rid of blobs is not possible, people will always try to outnumber their opponent).
2) there is no universal END GAME, especially not null with supers. My end game is to own my own POS in a C7.
Edit: I like many cheeses, Muenster, Pepper Jack, and Provolone being the top three... right now. |
thoth rothschild
First Aid Emergency Service
24
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:54:00 -
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Give them a "statue mode"
Once they enter it they can be watched and shot like jita statue. unfortunetly there is no option to turn this mode off again :D |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
65
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:56:00 -
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Gammalost And only the largest aliance in game can field supercariers after nerf |
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Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
71
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:00:00 -
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xxxak wrote:CCP has proven yet again that they are no better than other modern game corporations, lurching forward without any finesse or sense of elegance.
The changes to Supercarriers, which now are nearly set in stone, are hilariously bad.
The changes do nothing to address the issue of super-blobbing. By taking away all small drones, CCP has now made solo or small groups of Supercarriers totally non-viable. The only possible use for Supercarriers is now in massive megablobs of other Supers, which only a handful of alliances/coalitions can field.
Anyone who attempts to use Supercarriers for small hot drops, small scale structure bashes, or other such non-blob work will be caught with their pants down and dragged to to a bloody and gruesome death.
The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how blunt and confused CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly.
Supercap pilots thinking with a full set of marbles are now heavily incentivesed to join the largest alliance they can find. This will only make Super blobs worse.
Finally, these changes mean that Supers will be used less. On some level, this is not a bad thing. Personally, I might advocate for the total removal of Supers from the game. However, CCP has also just nerfed the "end game" of EVE. Oh, and for all of you who claim that EVE is a sandbox with no end game, go take a basic psychology class at your local community college. Pathetic.
I, for one, hope my tears, at least, fuel you in your future journeys. I expect that by this time next year CCP will be a tattered corpse lying in a gutter by the access road.
TL;DR -- the new changes do nothing to reduce supercap blobbing, and in fact just make super pilots wants to get into bigger mega blobs. CCP fails and proves itself to be a dumb blunt-minded brute. ok, 2 points....
ONE, why in the world would you assume that a supercap should be able to do anything solo? the whole point is that YES YOU CAN ******* DIE TO SUBCAPS NOW, thats why an alliance should only field CAPITALS in battles they cant risk losing, and the support fleet allows them to be protected from small scale ships.
the whole purpose of the BUFF/NERF (depending on how you look at it) is to make CAPITALS what they were supposed to be form the beginning, THE CORP of a FLEET, not SOLO PWNSMOVILEZ. a carrier should eb a valuable asset that can do damage in fleets with alot fo support but be vulnerbale when poorly protected.
lets look at this another way.... lets say in RL you own a carrier, by definition a SUPPORT VESSEL... you decide to send it ALONE into enemy territory during war.... what do you THINK is going to happen to it? even against a small enemy fleet? it will get BURNED because it is a SUPPORT VESSEL. thats why you send SUBCAPS TO DEFEND IT.
i seriosuly ahte all these people whining about the capital nerf, all it does is make the balance of sub-caps to caps a little more logical as far as roles are considered. |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
240
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:06:00 -
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Wait doesnt this mean that super caps will die to subcap fleets easier? |
thoth rothschild
First Aid Emergency Service
24
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:08:00 -
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No more ratting with supers ? |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
47
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:08:00 -
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I think we should nerf Havarti and buff Canadian Old Cheddar.
Like the Domi, Canadian Cheddar is the most versatile cheese, and is very good in many roles. Therefore it is the best cheese.
Scambled eggs with cheddar melted in....yummy. Grilled old cheddar with tomato soup, warms anyone on a cold wet day.
And the old standy, Canadian Old Cheddar on crackers, with a glass of chocolate milk. Perfection. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
338
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:09:00 -
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Even in WW2 the super carrier was the most hunted down ship in the pacific war. Yes it was a support ship but there is a reason why they wanted these ships sunk and it wasnt because of repair abilty which they really didnt have.
of note I think processed cheese products are the bane of mankind, something so fake tasting so good is so bad for you. Curse you stringy cheese!
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
326
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:10:00 -
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oh god... you again
you know what OP? the difference between my crap posts and yours is that you actually believe in the crap you post The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1515
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:11:00 -
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Obsidian Hawk wrote:Wait doesnt this mean that super caps will die to subcap fleets easier? Only if you fly it incompetently.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
thoth rothschild
First Aid Emergency Service
24
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:12:00 -
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I get hungry :(((( Silence! i kill u! |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
338
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:12:00 -
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Morganta wrote:oh god... you again
you know what OP? the difference between my crap posts and yours is that you actually believe in the crap you post
At least we have cheese
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Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:15:00 -
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I do not mind various cheeses and always open to try something new.
Though too much cheese and well, the digestive system likes to get backed up, if you catch my drift... |
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