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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7818
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Posted - 2014.07.13 01:07:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:As far as "empowered moderation" goes, I would argue against it. The ISDs are players. I do not want a player, even a volunteer, to have any actionable power against another player. The only thing I can say to that is that we are being monitored just as strictly by CCP's Internal Affairs team as regular CCP employees. If anything, we are under the microscope even more because we are volunteers. And that specifically includes all our player accounts, not only on our behaviour in game, but also on the forum. If I would for example remove all or several posts made by someone residing in a corporation the corporation I reside in as player is at war with, that most definitely would raise some eyebrows. And rightfully so I might add.
Please understand that my statement above is a statement of principle. No one can be tempted by power they don't have.
You guys do an exemplary job, hands down. But I was around for T20. Corruption happens, it HAS happened, and I believe that the potential for abuse of power did not simply disappear after that. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1851
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Posted - 2014.07.13 02:16:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Please understand that my statement above is a statement of principle. No one can be tempted by power they don't have. Please believe me when I say that I am not seeking more power on top of the (quite powerful) tools we already work with. But you are right in that respect that I can only speak for myself, although I also dare to say I would stick my hand in the fire to vouch for the current CCL team. It's sadly human nature, sometime someone will fall in the trap that power can lead to. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2014.07.13 16:49:00 -
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This is a topic that is contentious.
One side wishes to stop trolling by silencing a group (npc corps and player corps with less than 10 people). One side does not want to be silenced.
These are 2 opposites that can not be reconciled.
One item that could be agreed on by both sides is a solution that silences the "trolls" without silencing main characters that reside in NPC corps.
La Nariz (author of this thread) has posted 2 of the more suggested alternates on the starting post
Summary of the 2 are.
From Malcanis : Allow people to block post by Corporations instead of by character. From Marsha Mallow: Allow people to only post with one character per account (either by highest SP or only one character able to be selected)
pros & Cons La Nariz suggestion: Notice: La Nariz suggestion is not a complete ban from forums. it will still allow access to EVE New Citizen's Q&A, Features & Ideas Discussion, Character Bazaar and Alliance & Corporation Recruitment Center.
-Increase the quality of the forums because NPC corporation posters are notoriously known for being devoted to being troll alts, I feel this is just a personal view of La Nariz. But people can create a character and never launch them in space and they would end up in one of the 12 starting Corps. But people from various side will also make hi-sec alts that stay in NPC corps for protection from war decs. I believe that La means that a NPC corp (starting) is composed of New people, Quickly made troll alts, Alt characters. I believe that there is also a community of NPC corp main or only characters also in these corps. This is something that will be contentious in this thread.
-It is easily circumvented by players that wish to have a solo experience in EVE and wish to post via one 10+ man corporations, Pro: It is easily circumvented both by trolls and players Con: It force people to leave corps that they may not wish to leave or to lose access to forums
-It provides consequences/content for actions by exposing posters to retribution should their posts be deemed unpalatable by other players, Pro: If you do not like a poster's actions on the forums you can go to war with their corporation. Con: Easy to circumvent by hopping to another corp.
-Potentially decrease ISD/Community Manager workloads,
-Leave newbies unaffected as they can still post questions, ideas and look for corporations. Pro: with La Nariz suggestion but not some of the other more comprehensive forum bans. Con: NPC corp people will not be able to talk in the other forums.
-Leave the character trading system unaffected.
-Decrease the amount of thread derailment and trolling. Pro: would have less newbies in other parts of forums Con: easy to circumvent by trolls
-Adds an incentive to joining a player made corporation. Pro: Yes Con: Forces people to join player made corporation if they wish to participate in Forums.
I see trolls as going though the extra effort to circumvent this idea.
Questions: Are these troll character used and then bio massed to make new Trolls? There is a rule about bio massing to avoid consequences.
If this is implemented what is to stop trolls from setting up/joining a 10 man, 100 man corp? It does take more time to train up corp skills to have a larger corp but only one character to train up to set up corp.
From Malcanis : Allow people to block post by Corporations instead of by character. Pro: Would allow people to block people they do not want to read. Does not affect or block anything else. Con: Threads could still get derailed.
From Marsha Mallow: Allow people to only post with one character per account (either by highest SP or only one character able to be selected) Pro: Trolls would have to pay for each month they want to post on forums. Does not affect single characters mains that are in NPC Corps. Con: Reduction of meta alt, Selling characters might be affected? "Please point to the place on the doll where the carebear touched you." |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2597
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Posted - 2014.07.15 18:48:00 -
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Elfi Wolfe wrote:One side wishes to stop trolling by silencing a group (npc corps and player corps with less than 10 people). One side does not want to be silenced.
This isn't what is happening at all and a misrepresentation. I am advocating for blanket CAOD rules, aside from the noted exception, because of a well known thing, the npc alt, being used to decrease the quality of the forums.
The is no silencing occurring use the correct non-inflammatory word for it, restriction.
E: Trial accounts cannot post in the main forums either. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1967
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Posted - 2014.07.15 19:51:00 -
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Rule #1 of tyrants and scammers.
Silence people that don't agree with you,
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Professor Solus
The Chicago School
3
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Posted - 2014.07.15 20:16:00 -
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La Nariz wrote: hurf blurf, I think I know how to make this game's terrible community better! Let's create arbitrary rules about forum posting that are easily evaded!
brb, creating forum troll alliance |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
616
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Posted - 2014.07.15 20:20:00 -
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Really the simplest answer is to never reply to an obvious troll. The replies are what feed them so if there is a post the is clearly someone trolling simply ignore or report it.
No arbitrary rules or draconian measures required. |
Professor Solus
The Chicago School
4
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Posted - 2014.07.15 20:54:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Please understand that my statement above is a statement of principle. No one can be tempted by power they don't have.
You guys do an exemplary job, hands down. But I was around for T20. Corruption happens, it HAS happened, and I believe that the potential for abuse of power did not simply disappear after that.
Kugutsumen
Ha, they don't censor it anymore? |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
127
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:37:00 -
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Professor Solus wrote:La Nariz wrote: hurf blurf, I think I know how to make this game's terrible community better! Let's create arbitrary rules about forum posting that are easily evaded! brb, creating forum troll alliance Please call it "Faceless NPC Corporation Alt" |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
1911
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:47:00 -
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Question: are you seriously using CAOD as an example of a good subforum?
I mean ffs GD>CAOD. |
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2597
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Posted - 2014.07.15 22:02:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Question: are you seriously using CAOD as an example of a good subforum? I mean ffs GD>CAOD.
You were not around for it being a terrible place it is much better now than it was before. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
1912
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Posted - 2014.07.15 22:16:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Question: are you seriously using CAOD as an example of a good subforum? I mean ffs GD>CAOD. You were not around for it being a terrible place it is much better now than it was before. Some select responses from the first page of currently active CAOD discussions:
"A goon once touched me in my special place - I was not sure if it made me happy or sad."
"Every time I look at the influence mad and see Period Basis in the hands of nasty filthy hobbittez, I want to say...
Goonssess! We hatez it! Forevah!"
"Woah woah woah.Sir. Sir, please:
We're all friends here and can be completely and totally open about our sexuality. Except Warfire. LolExecutive Outcomes. Okay, we're going to need to sit down and have a talk now, young man, as what you've said borders on the lines of Glen Beck-esque words. And we can't have none of that. BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK "
"GRRR .EXE"
"nobody gives a flying fawk."
"Hi!
Permits are 10 million isk and allow you to operate in highsec for 1 year. Please send your isk to James 315 with "permit" as the reason. We are running a special for mass permit sales for the next 30 days. You can buy 10 permits for the low, low price of 100mil isk or 20 for only 200mil isk. That's a savings your whole corporation will appreciate!
Also, we all wish you luck in your Call to Arms. I can't remember if this is the 8th or 15th movement to destroy us.
Strawberry"
"do pre-ops count?"
PotatoOverdose wrote:Question: are you seriously using CAOD as an example of a good subforum? I mean ffs GD>CAOD. I stand by Every. Single. Word.
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
642
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Posted - 2014.07.15 22:25:00 -
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There are assumptions being repeated that there is a "main" that always has highest SP (otherwise there is no continuity of posting, right?) and that an account always has more than one character on it. Both are false.
CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff CSM .. CCP Shills with a vacation plan
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7930
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Posted - 2014.07.15 23:46:00 -
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Potato, I am at work or I'd dig up some gems from that forum a while back, before they banned NPC alts.
It's worse. Easily. It was 4chan bad. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1245
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Posted - 2014.07.16 00:24:00 -
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Questions regarding the CAOD comparisons:
When was the change to CAOD posting ability made and have their been any changes to overall forum moderation since that time? Was CAOD considered worse, better or about the same as the rest of the forums at that time prior to the change? |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
1913
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Posted - 2014.07.16 00:46:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Potato, I am at work or I'd dig up some gems from that forum a while back, before they banned NPC alts.
It's worse. Easily. It was 4chan bad. So in the long long ago when rules, enforcement, and possibly culture were very different from today, CAOD was worse with npc posters than without. Ok. I believe you.
Here's the thing though: Today I look at CAOD and I look at the other forums (e.g. GD) and CAOD is worse. I haven't seen anyone dispute this. So I really don't buy the whole "npc posters make forums bad, just look at CAOD" angle.
But honestly, I don't really care that much. I've been part of player corps for all of my active time over the past five years. I have no horse in this debate, so vOv. Just pointing out a small flaw in reasoning. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2598
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Posted - 2014.07.16 00:48:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote::words:
Yep propaganda and tribalism, which is part of that forum's content. So because you don't like a forum's content that means its worse than other forums? That is entirely subjective for example I'd claim that the role playing forums are worse than C&P and I wouldn't be right just as you are not right in this situation.
Tyberius Franklin wrote: Questions regarding the CAOD comparisons:
When was the change to CAOD posting ability made and have their been any changes to overall forum moderation since that time? Was CAOD considered worse, better or about the same as the rest of the forums at that time prior to the change?
It got better when the changes were put into place and in my opinion FWIW it along with the rest of the forums took a hit when Zymurgist
E: I didn't answer the rest of your post. It was the worst subforum prior to the changes it was basically in distinguishable from the worst of kugu or /r eve. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1900
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Posted - 2014.07.16 20:22:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Questions regarding the CAOD comparisons:
When was the change to CAOD posting ability made and have their been any changes to overall forum moderation since that time? Was CAOD considered worse, better or about the same as the rest of the forums at that time prior to the change? CAOD was considered worse. And yes, there have been changes in the way this forum as a whole is moderated in general: In the past three years ISD's CCL division rose to power....
That said, I have also removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. 5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2014.07.17 01:04:00 -
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How about a more specific targeting of a sub-set population group of Eve. Instead of the (NPC), (<10 Corp) sub-set of Eve. A more targeted subgroup of "troll".
To stop disposable trial characters: Characters that are plexed or 22 days old. To stop disposable alt characters: Characters that are = 1.1 million SP
(age <22days) (SP <1.1m) sub-set (EVE) Restricting to EVE New Citizen's Q&A, Features & Ideas Discussion, Character Bazaar and Alliance & Corporation Recruitment Center.
So to post you need to be 22 days old and have spent about 1.1 plex on SP.
If a person wants to have 1 main and 2 posting alts they need to spend 2.2 months worth of training on the alts or use up 4 plex to train them in addition to main character.
This would remove the character with the stated properties of alt (alts made and never signed into on eve) as well as trial characters. And the restriction will be grown out of by a player at about 32 days. could also just use SP requirement since an average player with no implants should hit that target at about 32 days.
This would not affect the main players that are in the (NPC), (<10 corp) sub-set of EVE and not in the (age <22days) (SP <1.1m) sub-set of EVE
Looked at (active SP plan) and that would be easy to circumvent.
English version: Restricting characters under 22 days and less than 1.1m SP to EVE New Citizen's Q&A, Features & Ideas Discussion, Character Bazaar and Alliance & Corporation Recruitment Center. "Please point to the place on the doll where the carebear touched you." |
Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
166
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Posted - 2014.07.17 22:54:00 -
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No matter how you shift, slice, reposition, alter or otherwise change this idea the basic concept is flawed and therefore not worthy of implementation. It is flawed because at its core it presupposes that a certain classification of pilot should automatically be punished as a forum troll quite possibly even before making their first forum post.
I have diligently read and posted to the EVE forums for the entire 1.5 years i have played the game and a certain person belonging to one of the most notorious large scale alliances in EVE spends almost all of his time trolling threads. Should we then place posting restrictions on this entire alliance because one of its members is a troll-aholic?
What If 50 members of this alliance are trolls, do we then start banning the entire alliance from posting, I say and I hope you agree it is both unfair and detrimental to those members of this alliance that would post thoughtful and productive threads or responses to threads in any forum of their choosing, regardless that a subset of their number are trolls. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
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Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
166
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Posted - 2014.07.17 23:04:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Make this happen, or at least make it possible check all the pilot names of that account. This would be a good change, when posting list all of the characters on that account. It makes posting alts completely useless.
This idea is also detrimental In my mind. I am in the process of creating two 'wet work' alts that will be conducting my dirty business when I deem it necessary. They are not in my corp on purpose because I don't want their activities linked directly to me.
Others im sure use alts that do awoxing, spying, etc and they too would rather their alts not be directly linked to them. Yes we play a game of consequences but we also play a game of subterfuge and removing the ability to have both a posting presence and a 'dirty little secret alt' is just not good for the game. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1428
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Posted - 2014.07.17 23:07:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:This idea is also detrimental In my mind. I am in the process of creating two 'wet work' alts that will be conducting my dirty business when I deem it necessary. They are not in my corp on purpose because I don't want their activities linked directly to me.
Others im sure use alts that do awoxing, spying, etc and they too would rather their alts not be directly linked to them. Yes we play a game of consequences but we also play a game of subterfuge and removing the ability to have both a posting presence and a 'dirty little secret alt' is just not good for the game.
This would be my objection, too. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2598
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Posted - 2014.07.17 23:35:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:No matter how you shift, slice, reposition, alter or otherwise change this idea the basic concept is flawed and therefore not worthy of implementation. It is flawed because at its core it presupposes that a certain classification of pilot should automatically be punished as a forum troll quite possibly even before making their first forum post.
I have diligently read and posted to the EVE forums for the entire 1.5 years i have played the game and a certain person belonging to one of the most notorious large scale alliances in EVE spends almost all of his time trolling threads. Should we then place posting restrictions on this entire alliance because one of its members is a troll-aholic?
What If 50 members of this alliance are trolls, do we then start banning the entire alliance from posting, I say and I hope you agree it is both unfair and detrimental to those members of this alliance that would post thoughtful and productive threads or responses to threads in any forum of their choosing, regardless that a subset of their number are trolls.
How is it any different from something like drone assist being removed because too many people are abusing it? Anyone can make an npc corporation character and start trolling with no consequence. However its nigh-impossible to do that with "one of the most notorious large scale alliances in EVE."
When something is being abused CCP takes measures against it and NPC alts are no exception. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2598
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Posted - 2014.07.17 23:39:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:La Nariz wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Make this happen, or at least make it possible check all the pilot names of that account. This would be a good change, when posting list all of the characters on that account. It makes posting alts completely useless. This idea is also detrimental In my mind. I am in the process of creating two 'wet work' alts that will be conducting my dirty business when I deem it necessary. They are not in my corp on purpose because I don't want their activities linked directly to me. Others im sure use alts that do awoxing, spying, etc and they too would rather their alts not be directly linked to them. Yes we play a game of consequences but we also play a game of subterfuge and removing the ability to have both a posting presence and a 'dirty little secret alt' is just not good for the game.
The answer is get a second account. A few tricks of the trade, you can easily train three ganking alts up in a week then train one of them extensively for awoxing until it gets to hot or too much SP then you sell it via character bazaar. Sure you'll have downtime when buyers are not about and plex prices are high enough to consider paying cash for a sub but, that's the best solution to your concern. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2014.07.17 23:59:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:When something is being abused CCP takes measures against it and NPC alts are no exception.
But your target is every NPC, not just NPC alts. And that I think that is getting many of the people against the idea. "Please point to the place on the doll where the carebear touched you." |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1428
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Posted - 2014.07.18 11:49:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:
How is it any different from something like drone assist being removed because too many people are abusing it? Anyone can make an npc corporation character and start trolling with no consequence. However its nigh-impossible to do that with "one of the most notorious large scale alliances in EVE."
When something is being abused CCP takes measures against it and NPC alts are no exception.
Anyone can make a player corp character and start trolling with no consequence also. Lets remove the forums! |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2598
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Posted - 2014.07.18 13:23:00 -
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Elfi Wolfe wrote:La Nariz wrote:When something is being abused CCP takes measures against it and NPC alts are no exception. But your target is every NPC, not just NPC alts. And that I think that is getting many of the people against the idea.
Its the same situation, not every drone user or tech moon owner was abusing it but, the change affected all of them. Perhaps you should organize all of the npc corporation members and attempt to clean up the npc corporation image. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
224
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Posted - 2014.07.18 14:01:00 -
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This discussion is pointless.
Every restriction will impact the innocent the most and no countermeassure will keep a troll that wants to troll away from pursuing his dream. All you get is the illusion of security. It is the same all over, like in RL, people chucking out thier liberties for the illusion of control and security, but noone that is absolutely determined to inflict damaged will ever be truely hindered or deterred. In the meanwhile all bystanders are labeled potential criminals and treated as such. Their abilities restricting to defend themselves from the ture criminals, which are the foreign threads, as well as domestic which might includie your security 'services' in the furture. Good luck forging your own chains ... I will have none.
The only true solution is to educate and raise the level of intelligence and awareness to recognize and ignore trolls and not fall into the same spammed traps of logical fallacies and idiocy. And allowing the ISD to hit with the Anti-Stupidity Hammer - REAL HARD.
As it stands, being a dumb poster is not against the rules, but those reacting to it, as often required to, are in danger of committing at least one offense in regards to them. To change that there should be a rule that states:
#35 - Do not be stupid, commit no fallacies and consider many perspectives and exploits befor posting. Also do not incite others (see#5) to react offensively by formulating in a way that shows ignorance towards the game, styles of playing, the workings of and independent economy in an open sandbox and other peoples considerations and previously metioned ideas (see #16). Remember you are making the claim, the proof to support your observation/conclusion is on you. And consider, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof - link sources if possible. Stupid threads will be locked. So remember
ISD may rise and shine. You can always appeal to a locked thread by participating in an IQ test, but the test is one time only and final. Deliberatly posting dumb will result in immediate ..... Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?! |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2598
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Posted - 2014.07.18 14:33:00 -
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Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:This discussion is pointless. Every restriction will impact the innocent the most and no countermeassure will keep a troll that wants to troll away from pursuing his dream. All you get is the illusion of security. It is the same all over, like in RL, people chucking out their liberties for the illusion of control and security, but none that is absolutely determined to inflict damaged will ever be truely hindered or deterred. In the meanwhile all bystanders or rather everyone else are labeled potential criminals and treated as such. Their abilities restricted to defend themselves from the true criminals, which are the foreign threads, as well as domestic which might includie your security 'services' in the furture. Good luck forging your own chains ... I will have none. The only true solution is to educate and raise the level of intelligence and awareness to recognize and ignore trolls and not fall into the same spammed traps of logical fallacies and idiocy. And allowing the ISD to hit with the Anti-Stupidity Hammer - REAL HARD. As it stands, being a dumb poster is not against the rules, but those reacting to it, as often required to, are in danger of committing at least one offense in regards to them. To change that there should be a rule that states: #35 - Do not be stupid, commit no fallacies and consider many perspectives and exploits befor posting. Also do not incite others (see#5) to react offensively by formulating in a way that shows ignorance towards the game, styles of playing, the workings of and independent economy in an open sandbox and other peoples considerations and previously metioned ideas (see #16). Remember you are making the claim, the proof to support your observation/conclusion is on you. And consider, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof - link sources if possible. Stupid threads will be locked. So rememberISD may rise and shine. You can always appeal to a locked thread by participating in an IQ test, but the test is one time only and final. Deliberatly posting dumb will result in immediate .....
Its only pointless if people refuse to contribute and instead choose to make bad posts. I never intended for this and explicitly state in the OP that this is not the silver bullet to the problem but, is a part of the solution. It should be clear that totalitarian regimes is a terrible comparison but, maybe with the frequency this garbage comes up it needs to be in the OP.
Saying "its dumb" isn't going to convince anyone to sway to your side of the debate. I still think it will do more good than harm.
This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2014.07.18 16:35:00 -
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La Nariz wrote: Its the same situation, not every drone user or tech moon owner was abusing it but, the change affected all of them. Perhaps you should organize all of the npc corporation members and attempt to clean up the npc corporation image.
I try both by example and by answering questions in the University of Caille.
I do not have a problem with a target of "troll" but with how it is targeted. It is like taking out a whole town to the trolls in town. That is why I suggested a more defined target. Example of time and skill point level to remove the alts that never log into Eve. It would also affect new people till they got the time and skill points under their belt.
Side note: I think the comparison with this idea to totalitian regimes is due to perceived reputation of GoonWaffle. Goons play the meta game better than anyone else. So people wonder if this is targeted at trools or at hi-sec. "Please point to the place on the doll where the carebear touched you." |
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