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Hatsumi Kobayashi
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
474
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:25:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:BTW, unrelated. .but MEDIUM MICRO or LARGE MICRO both are oximorons.. Find less dumb names than large small thing please.
Micro refers to the jump. Medium/large refers to the size of the drive.
This is not an oxymoron.
You are a moron. No sig. |
Dr Jihad Alhariri
Fail Force 5 Corrosive.
3
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:26:00 -
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I strongly oppose this mod as it currently stands.
As other posters have mentioned, Medium MJDs will only make good fights and ganks harder to find. We want gameplay options that expand PvP, not shrink it.
Eve already has a gratuitous amount of gameplay options that promote risk aversion and reduce PvP. We don't need more. |
Bosquit
Tempest Legion
66
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:26:00 -
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Saul Elsyn wrote:I think people that are complaining the most here are forgetting just how situationally based MJDs are. They're good for getting out of bubbles and escaping bombing runs, but that's about it... And they require a level of skill and situational awareness to use. Considering it's the smallest ships that are the ones most likely to die in a bombing run, good for CCP... in fact CCP, give em to cruiser hulls in general.
What's the Small Micro-Jump Drive going to be mounted on? Destroyers? Cruisers? HACs? HICs? Interdictors? Makes you wonder.
Ok the thing about MJD's is they really aren't all that situational. Any Sniping platform will be easily able to use them, and lets be honest, most battlecruisers can be made into sniping ships, especially the Naga, etc. The attack Battlecruisers for the most part will not need an MWD, because burning with large long range guns is dumb. The MMJD allows them to reposition without warping ( at this point what is the point of probing down snipers, if they are aligned they warp, if they get caught and bubbled they MMJD). Other battlecruisers will have options to dual prop, which will reduce tank, but they are sniping ships so I mean tank is whatever most of the time.
Where you will see this being even more annoying is bricked tanked battlecruisers, just like the BS they will sit and tank and brawl, and if they want to leave, they just can, unless you have a swarm of frigates with scrams (which is generally suicide with medium guns.
The problem is that battlecruisers are fairly agile, and with MWD's battlecruisers are difficult to hold down. So what does this mod allow for gameplay, really just a lot of running away. The counters to it are too little to allow some sort of adequate counter to it, cause allowing one mod to stop it, is pretty bad for gameplay and variety. "Insert Philosophical Statement Here" |
DekTo2
Aquilia Cohors Praetoria Curatores Veritatis Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:29:00 -
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Terrible idea. |
ElextriX
Snuff Box
45
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:31:00 -
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Welp what a horrible change. Small gang/Solo gets nerfed again. Battleships also getting indirectly nerfed. How about some development in tackle CCP?
This strategy of increasing survivability with so many ships is killing small gang pvp. As a solo/duo pvper it's very hard to find targets any more because most people can avoid combat in one of a billion ways.....and this is another step. I'm not even going to bother explaining the obvious problems with kiting after this change either. |
penifSMASH
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
418
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:38:00 -
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Properly fit Attack Battlecruisers and Command Ships are really tight on PG and CPU, and MMJDs hog them up. You can't fit one without seriously gimping your fit in some other way. Everyone ITT is crying too much. |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1859
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:39:00 -
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Elise Randolph wrote:which is kind of annoying since catching people with their pants down is already a pain in the butt.
that made me giggle. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Irya Boone
Never Surrender.
355
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:40:00 -
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T3 should have it First and RECON Ships and after that ok for BC but for BC make it very difficult to fit without sacrifing a lot of damage output RENAME WH systems With the name of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It will be awesome.
GalMIl>>ALL |
Onslaughtor
Occult National Security Affirmative.
86
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:41:00 -
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I'm just going to say that Attack battle-cruisers are already very hard to pin down. This will really only make it worse... It may be a good idea to look in to making it so ABCs can't use this MMJD.
Also the range and recharge time should be smaller, to that there is a distinct difference between battleship and battlecruiser combat. Something like 60km and 2min recharge would make things much more interesting. |
Bosquit
Tempest Legion
66
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:47:00 -
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penifSMASH wrote:Properly fit Attack Battlecruisers and Command Ships are really tight on PG and CPU, and MMJDs hog them up. You can't fit one without seriously gimping your fit in some other way. Everyone ITT is crying too much.
It's a 15pg increase to a meta 10mn mwd, and 1 cpu. That is not a massive increase in fitting to cause a problem for people especially with genolutions and pg implants. At most you would lose a small amount of tank on some things, maybe a rig, or you meta a tank mod, it is not a serious "gimping" as you put it. "Insert Philosophical Statement Here" |
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Tikktokk Tokkzikk
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
168
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:56:00 -
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I've used large MJD a lot, and I can't wait to try these!
Though I think 50-75km jump range and 6-9 second spool-up would be more fun and balanced for everyone since battlecruisers already operate with more speed and shorter range. It would also keep it around the same jump-range:lock-range and align-time:spool-up-time ratio as battleships. |
Aliventi
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
698
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:57:00 -
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I think this is a terrible idea. It is really imbalanced. The last thing the super mobile Attack BCs need is more mobility.
However seeing how I doubt you will back out of this plan, can we reduce the range? Once of the nice things is that most BS could MJD and still be within lock range and still fire after they exited the MJD 100km away. Most combat BCs and such don't have the luxury of 100+KM lock and damage range. 65-75km should good. Join [FIGL] Flying Dangerous Today! |
Joe Baarim
Baarim Industries
1
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Posted - 2014.05.17 20:07:00 -
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I like the idea of a MMJD for BCs, but only if it was shorter jump range. Around 50KM would be a good spot. And perhaps a shorter spool time.
100km is too beneficial to ABCs. Continue to force them to make tactical bookmarks or have scouts burning out to warp to if you want them hopping around sniping. 100km is also too long of range for combat BCs that would more than likely be hopping far outside of their ranges. Unless the plan is to only have it as an escape tool... which I do not agree with. |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
346
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Posted - 2014.05.17 20:14:00 -
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another terrible idea. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1810
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Posted - 2014.05.17 20:16:00 -
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Cool, I like it. |
cBuHoIIac
SoT The Gorgon Empire
11
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Posted - 2014.05.17 20:17:00 -
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Airbender Princess
True Power Team
4
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Posted - 2014.05.17 20:24:00 -
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penifSMASH
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
418
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Posted - 2014.05.17 20:28:00 -
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Bosquit wrote:penifSMASH wrote:Properly fit Attack Battlecruisers and Command Ships are really tight on PG and CPU, and MMJDs hog them up. You can't fit one without seriously gimping your fit in some other way. Everyone ITT is crying too much. It's a 15pg increase to a meta 10mn mwd, and 1 cpu. That is not a massive increase in fitting to cause a problem for people especially with genolutions and pg implants. At most you would lose a small amount of tank on some things, maybe a rig, or you meta a tank mod, it is not a serious "gimping" as you put it.
It is a serious gimp if you dual prop mjd/mwd your command ships. Or in the case of tier 3 BCs they'll have to choose between an MWD or MJD, each of which has its advantages and disadvantages. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1333
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Posted - 2014.05.17 20:29:00 -
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thread temporarily locked for cleaning. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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maCH'EttE
Mafia Redux
112
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Posted - 2014.05.17 21:51:00 -
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this is absoultyly dumbest bull crap i have seen in eve. kill pvp even more. now you gonna have poeople jump like grasshoppers. YOU KILLIN EVE AND YOU DONT EVEN KNOW IT. |
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Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
353
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Posted - 2014.05.17 21:54:00 -
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so basically this is a buff to attack battlecruisers. STILL no point in flying normal bc's or commandships.
make attack bc's even harder to catch.
this could only work if they make scrams 70k or attack bc's cannot use these mods. otherwise. do not put this module in game.
absolution? 3 mids? so you gotta have a micro on the abso because its slow. then you gotta have a MJD. then your stuck with a point or an injector. no no no. |
Zakatka Night
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
214
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Posted - 2014.05.17 22:01:00 -
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5203
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Posted - 2014.05.17 22:01:00 -
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I really think the feedback in this thread sums up the feeling on an ABC having a MJD. I strongly recommend we wait on allowing the ABC to fit them. Give us 6 weeks with the medium MJD and then let's reexamine the idea of a MJD on ABC. Let's see what meta comes from the BC brawlers first. The Paradox |
Calsys
Monks of War
107
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Posted - 2014.05.17 22:04:00 -
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no brain no tactics
just stupid tank&dps
come ooooon
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Tatter Fox
Easy FW Money
0
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Posted - 2014.05.17 22:08:00 -
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so instead of doing a proper balance patch you introduce another gimmicky module that most likely will break the balance even more.
standard BC's are not bad because they cant jump around like a battleship, they are bad because they are slow and cumbersome and barely do anything that a Cruiser cant do.
Breaking the balance and making Tornados and Sniping Nagas even more ridiculous with these modules will NOT fix the overall problem BC's have. But hey bread and games I guess right? Give the plebs something to play around with, might make them forget the other crap. |
Ravasta Helugo
Republic University Minmatar Republic
285
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Posted - 2014.05.17 22:10:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
I support these changes. Yes, it will make tying down ships harder. So what? I welcome our new hit and run overlords. |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
227
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Posted - 2014.05.17 22:11:00 -
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Chinicata Shihari wrote:Sounds good. Now my cruiser can ninja stuff You just proved the belief that everyone had that people jump in to give feedback before even reading the OP. |
Sladislov
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
40
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Posted - 2014.05.17 22:15:00 -
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Next up: "Dont want to fight module"
When your ship is in trouble activate this module and poof you will be 200km away from the fight, cloaked.
**** idea bring back old RLML 1908-420 -á-á-á-á-á-á Sladislov Director of Silly semantics -á-á-á-á-á-áBroksi Kurth -á-á xXxBlack LegionxXx |
Beatrice Ushiromiya
Worst Player Ever.
10
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Posted - 2014.05.17 22:15:00 -
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Either warp disruptors disable this module, and we are getting a way to enrich BC fleet tactics. Or it works the way large MJD works, and we are getting a cool getaway module for those who enjoy safe pvp. |
Zakatka Night
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
214
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Posted - 2014.05.17 22:19:00 -
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scrambl and 0 problem! |
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