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Sato Page
BLOORDOGY Dead Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.05.18 03:59:00 -
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I believe this "feature" should be nerfed in to oblivion. Why? because webbing orca/freighters for insta warp is essentially an exploitation to the align speed formula. By webbing freighters, a player bypasses the low acceleration/high mass problem by unfairly reduce their top speed.
Solution: Introduce a hard coded penalty for alight time (say extra 40s) if an orca/freighter is webbed.
Fixing EvE industry one step at a time. Yes We Can! |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.18 04:16:00 -
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Nah, it's fine as it is. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
Iudicium Vastus
Incognito Holdings and Savings
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Posted - 2014.05.18 04:30:00 -
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Awww, did one get away before you could apply point? Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW? No, just.. -Fit more points -Fit faction points -Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too) |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
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Posted - 2014.05.18 04:35:00 -
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This thread is an attempt at a small step in a greater plan to nerf gankers. Oh god. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.05.18 04:52:00 -
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It's less overpowered when you consider they must have a buddy player/account along to give the help.
One way to thwart them is to pop the webber. You can then chase them down or let em go, either way you've still put a wrench in the works. If they can't get a new webber in a hurry they just might not go very far. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Gigan Amilupar
No Code of Conduct Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
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Posted - 2014.05.18 05:42:00 -
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The only way I could see this being done is if they changed the warp mechanics to be independent of ship speed and rely solely on align time. That said, I'm not convinced the change needs to be made. Presently I would consider this to be just an interesting use of mechanics....and honestly I don't think Orcas are exactly the most difficult thing to catch in the world. It's fine imo. |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2014.05.18 06:53:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Nah, it's fine as it is.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.05.18 07:07:00 -
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Sato Page wrote:I believe this "feature" should be nerfed in to oblivion. Why? because webbing orca/freighters for insta warp is essentially an exploitation to the align speed formula. By webbing freighters, a player bypasses the low acceleration/high mass problem by unfairly reduce their top speed.
Solution: Introduce a hard coded penalty for alight time (say extra 40s) if an orca/freighter is webbed.
Fixing EvE industry one step at a time. Yes We Can!
Lol. We're talking about removing the only cooperation aspect of the hauling role?
Are you like an X3 player or something?
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.18 08:48:00 -
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Sato Page wrote:I believe this "feature" should be nerfed in to oblivion. Why? because webbing orca/freighters for insta warp is essentially an exploitation to the align speed formula. By webbing freighters, a player bypasses the low acceleration/high mass problem by unfairly reduce their top speed.
Solution: Introduce a hard coded penalty for alight time (say extra 40s) if an orca/freighter is webbed.
Fixing EvE industry one step at a time. Yes We Can!
I spy with my little eye someone who caused their own gank target to warp away by webbing before scramming. Good job, OP! Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Yolo
Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Explicit Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.18 09:15:00 -
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Sato Page wrote:I believe this "feature" should be nerfed in to oblivion. Why? because webbing orca/freighters for insta warp is essentially an exploitation to the align speed formula. By webbing freighters, a player bypasses the low acceleration/high mass problem by unfairly reduce their top speed.
Solution: Introduce a hard coded penalty for alight time (say extra 40s) if an orca/freighter is webbed.
Fixing EvE industry one step at a time. Yes We Can!
First of all: You have the same time span to apply point as does the webber. So the issue is already pretty balanced.
Second: The Webber gets pvp timer and will be easy to kill.
Third: The freighter is agressed, and you can easily chase it down for a kill as is not able to logoff safely.
Fourth: freighters are nerfed this summer, but will be able to fit agility riggs... :) - since 2003, bitches |
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Tragot Gomndor
Rise of Cerberus
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Posted - 2014.05.18 09:26:00 -
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I have nothing on topic to say. Just this:
"taH pagh taHbe'" - General Chang
(PS: nice eyepatch) 0.0 = GOONS = SAAAMMMMEEE!!!!1111222 |
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
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Posted - 2014.05.18 10:00:00 -
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not this again? if the freighter pilot is smart - that webber probably also has a couple of RR on it - just to further ruin the ganker's day - kill it or let it go For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it WILL be. |
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.18 10:52:00 -
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I personally love using a Rapier or Huggin to web a freighter. Gets it going nice and fast. Perfect to move through Uedama and Sivala if gankers are shooting everying large and slow.
I had also taken the time to ask CCP via their petition system if it was an exploit, it is not.
Now, considering the size of a freighter: if you are webbing it as a ganker: bad idea. You are better off ramming it to knock it out of alignment (with the added bonus of avoiding GCC) or simply hit it with a warp scrambler. If you are close enough to web it, you are more than close enough to prevent it warping with a scram.
Freighters are big, so if you have a fast locker, you should have been able to lock it and point it before their buddy can lock and web it.
So... why didn't you scram it? That is the real question. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2014.05.18 10:59:00 -
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i will in future link this thread when ppl say there is nothing u can do to avoid gankers. thanks muchly. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
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Posted - 2014.05.18 12:11:00 -
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Competent gankers don't need this changed and it would hurt orca / freighter pilots who pay attention and employ their brains (ie: the ones who don't autopilot with billions in their loot table). No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Delhaven
Vicis Inter Astrum I'd Rather Be Roaming
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:32:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Nah, it's fine as it is.
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:38:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Nah, it's fine as it is.
NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
605
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:54:00 -
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Get a sensor boosted, brick tanked maller and apply point. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Hopelesshobo
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2014.05.18 20:05:00 -
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Ok, so let's just assume for the sake of it, that this mechanic was fixed.
Now what would happen if someone was trying to warp out after a cycle of their MWD/AB just ended?
Sato Page wrote:
Solution: Introduce a hard coded penalty for alight time (say extra 40s) if an orca/freighter is webbed.
So wouldn't this mean that a web essentially becomes a +40 second point as well since it prevents someone from warping off for an additional 40s? At which point who would need to fit points anymore since you can not only stop someone from moving fast, but also prevent them from warping for 40 seconds on top of their align time as it is.
Good job, you just broke points. Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012. |
Kasife Vynneve
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
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Posted - 2014.05.19 12:45:00 -
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The one that got away? How much was it worth? |
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