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Orion Hellscream Chanlin
Reverberation Inc
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Posted - 2014.05.20 14:24:00 -
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With all the patches and fantastical plans for expansions and mega-changes Eve has one of the dumbest things still operating to make a capsuleer's life a confusing misery.
Take a look at this Blueprint Copy https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97960240/ExeFile%202014-05-20%2015-17-20-95.jpg
You can cleary read "Max Runs Per Blueprint Copy 15.
NOPE!
When I tried to make 2 runs the lab refused saying, "You can only make 1 run per copy".
So have I paid over-the-odds for a single run BPC masquerading as a 15 run BPC because CCP haven't bothered to change the meaningful info in the description of certain items???
I don't think there is anything more stupid in this nice game of Eve and CCP really should add a patch NOW to tell people the useful info not bloody useless info about the max runs which it COULD achieve but HASN'T!
What a crock! |
Karen Avioras
Unsung Heroes The Volition Cult
646
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Posted - 2014.05.20 14:26:00 -
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this is the stupidest thread in these forums. |
Destruction Derpy
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.20 14:27:00 -
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Lisa Gentilette
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.20 14:27:00 -
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:o |
Orion Hellscream Chanlin
Reverberation Inc
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Posted - 2014.05.20 14:28:00 -
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See below |
Orion Hellscream Chanlin
Reverberation Inc
5
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Posted - 2014.05.20 14:28:00 -
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Karen Avioras wrote:this is the stupidest thread in these forums.
Err why?? |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
686
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Posted - 2014.05.20 14:33:00 -
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It's not masquerading, when its linked via click and drag it shows the basic max run bluprint copy (15 runs).
When its right clicked and showed info on from you hold or where ever it shows the actual bpc.
The BPC you bought will also say "Blueprint Copy" and "1 run" on it. Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Cavalira
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
341
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Posted - 2014.05.20 14:34:00 -
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So it all boils down to you being awfully dumb... |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
686
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Posted - 2014.05.20 14:45:00 -
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Here's two screenshots to show:
This one is linked from my inventory in the current station I am at.
This one is the same blueprint dragged into chat and then clicked on to show the info.
Same blueprint linked in different ways. Always make sure you see "Blueprint Copy" and "Licensed Production Runs Remaining". Hope this helps.
Edit: Crap that was supposed to be an edit on my original post... oh well. Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1893
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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:00:00 -
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Never look at the "max run amount", it is only important when making copies. Only look at the "Licensed Runs". CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2739
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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:02:00 -
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Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote: So have I paid over-the-odds for a single run BPC masquerading as a 15 run BPC because CCP haven't bothered to change the meaningful info in the description of certain items???
Nope.
You paid it because you didn't pay attention.
When you're done building your Oracles, I have some faction mods for it I would love to sell you at a deep discount. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Silky Cyno
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:03:00 -
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Karen Avioras wrote:this is the stupidest thread in these forums.
I have seen more stupider things here |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4444
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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:04:00 -
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Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote: So have I paid over-the-odds for a single run BPC masquerading as a 15 run BPC because...
....because you are foolish?
Yes. "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1893
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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:06:00 -
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Though it is a clever scam, I will admit that. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
Sturmwolke
572
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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:08:00 -
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PEBKAC |
Gil Warden
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:16:00 -
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Rule #1. If it sounds too good to be true, it is. Rule #2. If it looks exactly right, look again. Rule #3. If it still looks exactly right, make sure you remember all the game mechanics. |
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
191
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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:17:00 -
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When I read a procedure in an Aircraft Maintenance Manual to remove a fuse AFTER it asked to put power on the aircraft....I know the AMM is wrong ...so I just send a user comment ! |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3481
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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:18:00 -
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The only silly thing with production I encounters is that 10 runs of Scorch L take 14 days to complete. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Orion Hellscream Chanlin
Reverberation Inc
5
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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:20:00 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:It's not masquerading, when its linked via click and drag it shows the basic max run bluprint copy (15 runs).
When its right clicked and showed info on from you hold or where ever it shows the actual bpc.
The BPC you bought will also say "Blueprint Copy" and "1 run" on it.
Ok. Yes, if you do the "correct" click it will show the exact information of that BPC, but if you do the "wrong" click CCP will show some USELESS inaccurate and irrelevant information to this BPC which is referring to what a, I repeat a, BPC can achieve which is a max run of 15.
It IS stupid and the people who can't see that this is confusing to anybody are probably the people advising CCP that this is ok.
Why bother trying to make the game clearer for new players as CCP have done, when they leave in confusing misinformations on BPCs that make the game dopey!?? |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4447
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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:23:00 -
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Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:Seraph Essael wrote:It's not masquerading, when its linked via click and drag it shows the basic max run bluprint copy (15 runs).
When its right clicked and showed info on from you hold or where ever it shows the actual bpc.
The BPC you bought will also say "Blueprint Copy" and "1 run" on it. Ok. Yes, if you do the "correct" click it will show the exact information of that BPC, but if you do the "wrong" click CCP will show some USELESS inaccurate and irrelevant information to this BPC which is referring to what a, I repeat a, BPC can achieve which is a max run of 15. It IS stupid and the people who can't see that this is confusing to anybody are probably the people advising CCP that this is ok. Why bother trying to make the game clearer for new players as CCP have done, when they leave in confusing misinformations on BPCs that make the game dopey!??
You mean the misinformation that is directly below or above the information you are looking for in the info?
You are so right
HOW DARE CCP MAKE ME LOOK UP OR DOWN SLIGHTLY "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3429
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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:27:00 -
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Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:Seraph Essael wrote:It's not masquerading, when its linked via click and drag it shows the basic max run bluprint copy (15 runs).
When its right clicked and showed info on from you hold or where ever it shows the actual bpc.
The BPC you bought will also say "Blueprint Copy" and "1 run" on it. Ok. Yes, if you do the "correct" click it will show the exact information of that BPC, but if you do the "wrong" click CCP will show some USELESS inaccurate and irrelevant information to this BPC which is referring to what a, I repeat a, BPC can achieve which is a max run of 15. It IS stupid and the people who can't see that this is confusing to anybody are probably the people advising CCP that this is ok. Why bother trying to make the game clearer for new players as CCP have done, when they leave in confusing misinformations on BPCs that make the game dopey!?? It's not to make the game dopey, it's because the raw blueprint information is important, so yes, if you click in the way the shows the BPO information, you get exactly that. How much did you even lose? Was this even a scam or did you just find a random contract and buy a single run BPC at the single run BPC price?
Seriously, if you can't figure out the very basics and you're going to explode this badly about such a tiny problem you should probably pack your bags. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
687
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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:27:00 -
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Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:Seraph Essael wrote:It's not masquerading, when its linked via click and drag it shows the basic max run bluprint copy (15 runs).
When its right clicked and showed info on from you hold or where ever it shows the actual bpc.
The BPC you bought will also say "Blueprint Copy" and "1 run" on it. Ok. Yes, if you do the "correct" click it will show the exact information of that BPC, but if you do the "wrong" click CCP will show some USELESS inaccurate and irrelevant information to this BPC which is referring to what a, I repeat a, BPC can achieve which is a max run of 15. It IS stupid and the people who can't see that this is confusing to anybody are probably the people advising CCP that this is ok. Why bother trying to make the game clearer for new players as CCP have done, when they leave in confusing misinformations on BPCs that make the game dopey!??
Wrong. One leads to a hard copy of the blueprint copy of whatever ship (the hard copy being the perfect bpc, so has all the data on it). (If anyone can explain that better than me, please feel free).
The other leads to the actual BPC that the person is trying to sell.
What happened to you was you were either scammed via a trade window or you failed to read the correct information on the blueprint because you clicked on the a (hardcopy) version.
No harm done, just learn from your mistake and dont make the same mistake next time?
Edit: Lucas above me explains it better. Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Snakebyte Jack
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
32
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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:27:00 -
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lol |
Orion Hellscream Chanlin
Reverberation Inc
5
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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:29:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Never look at the "max run amount", it is only important when making copies. Only look at the "Licensed Runs".
Yes that is the right information. But if you see a contract and right-click and choose Show Info, the Show Info does NOT show the Licensed Runs.
Putting in this Max Runs info is deliberately confusing irrelevant info even to veteran capsuleers like myself, but I wonder how many new players CCP want to attract to Eve will also get caught out with this lack of clarity!!??
I reckon it's something they should amend with a simple patch. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4448
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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:34:00 -
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Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:Never look at the "max run amount", it is only important when making copies. Only look at the "Licensed Runs". Yes that is the right information. But if you see a contract and right-click and choose Show Info, the Show Info does NOT show the Licensed Runs. Putting in this Max Runs info is deliberately confusing irrelevant info even to veteran capsuleers like myself, but I wonder how many new players CCP want to attract to Eve will also get caught out with this lack of clarity!!?? I reckon it's something they should amend with a simple patch.
Doesn't it tell you all the important info in the contract, or when you mouse over it?
I have bought a few BPCs in the past and Ive always known what I was getting "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
687
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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:35:00 -
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It tells you on the contract screen how many runs it has, the material efficiency level and the product efficiency level... Or at least I thought it did??? Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
574
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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:35:00 -
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Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:
Yes, I can, and since I have at least a passing familiarity with English, what I can deduce from that is that that absolute most number of runs a copy of that blueprint could potentially have is 15.
Doesn't say a damn thing about how many runs a copy will actually have, however - just the potential max.
TL;DR: Learn to read. |
Orion Hellscream Chanlin
Reverberation Inc
5
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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:37:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: It's not to make the game dopey, it's because the raw blueprint information is important, so yes, if you click in the way the shows the BPO information, you get exactly that. How much did you even lose? Was this even a scam or did you just find a random contract and buy a single run BPC at the single run BPC price?
It was no scam. It was a single run BPC at a single-run BPC price. Obviously I clicked on the "wrong" click linking to what a bloody BPO can achieve - why the bloody hell do I wanna know what the original BPO (which is not being sold in this contract) can achieve??
I don't bloody care what the freakin' BPO can achieve!! All I wanna know is how many runs this BPC can run and YES, I made a tiny mistake in using the Show Info as a guide to this partiicular BPC, which as you said, it was not.
So again, why do CCP think this is a good system to leave like that? I believe it is unnecessary and adds a complication that many will not get fooled by, but some people will.
Make a patch that when you use the Show Info on a BPC it actually shows the bloody info on THAT BPC and not the BPO it came from. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2742
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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:39:00 -
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Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote: So again, why do CCP think this is a good system to leave like that?
Because somewhere at CCP a Dev is giggling his ass off at your impotent rage.
That's why. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Orion Hellscream Chanlin
Reverberation Inc
5
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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:49:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:
Doesn't it tell you all the important info in the contract, or when you mouse over it?
I have bought a few BPCs in the past and Ive always known what I was getting
Wrong! Here is the unimportant information it shows when you mouse over
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97960240/Mouse%20Over.jpg
Here is the (tiny) error I made looking at the contract
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97960240/Show%20Info.jpg
I used Show Info and saw the Max Runs at 15 which was irrelevant useless information for that contract and was linked to the original BPO (which was NOT for sale).
What a dopey system! |
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