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Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
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Posted - 2014.05.20 21:19:00 -
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Rastlor wrote:Can you confirm please if it's possible to convert Plex back to Plex Code - the conversion of Plex to GTC was the secure way to move plex if that option is no longer available I foresee many more Plex lost during transport which if I were cynical (and I mostly am) I think is part of the reason for the change.
Stop redeeming your plex in stupid places
Stop moving your plex
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
1082
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Posted - 2014.05.20 22:08:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Will we ever see the ability to extend another pilots account using a code or plex?
Thinking it would be so nice if I could activate a plex from my side on someone elses account (my alt accounts really) instead of having to log on to extend them all the time.
/c Do what I do, just reverse redeem them on all accounts, then you can activate them one by one from the account website. You can pay for a 12 month sub with 12 PLEX so then you only have to do it once a year. And if the account expire you don't have to use hours for PLEX either. Mashie Saldana Dominique Vasilkovsky
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
692
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Posted - 2014.05.20 22:25:00 -
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Yim Sei wrote:CCP Pericolo wrote:The price for the new PLEX Activation Codes is the same as the ETC. For example the 30 day ETC is the same price as the 1 x 30 day PLEX Activation code and the 60 day ETC is the same price as the 2 x 30 day PLEX Activation code. These scale accordingly depending on the number of PLEX contained within the PLEX Activation Code.
As for the price of PLEX it has remained the same outside of a promotional offer where the price would be lower. There has been no increase to PLEX prices purchased from us or our partners. This is rubbish. One 60 day GTC would cost me approximately -ú21.00 which I could then exchange for 2 plex (redeemed in game). After your change to the system 2x plex will always cost -ú29.99 Dont try to hide this for what it is. Pure and simple price hike. How the mighty have fallen :(
Not sure what you're on about but any official GTC/PLEX reseller has 2 PLEX on sale for 34 dollars or so. That's 20 or so pounds for you. Prices were the same for GTC. If your retailer is making you pay 30 pounds for 2 PLEX, go find a new retailer because the current one is overcharging by a LOT.
Still, there are better and cheaper ways of buying game time than using GTC or PLEX... My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Terminator 2
Omega Boost
2
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Posted - 2014.05.20 22:32:00 -
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CCP Pericolo wrote:The price for the new PLEX Activation Codes is the same as the ETC. For example the 30 day ETC is the same price as the 1 x 30 day PLEX Activation code and the 60 day ETC is the same price as the 2 x 30 day PLEX Activation code. These scale accordingly depending on the number of PLEX contained within the PLEX Activation Code.
Except it is not. At least outside of Dollar payments.
Not even for the things you sell yourself on amazon.
Currently 1 Month ETC from Seller CCP Games on German Amazon is: 15,17 EUR, while one PLEX from CCP Games is 17,99 EUR.
12 months ETC are 132,91 EUR, while 12 PLEX are 179,99 EUR.
Whenever you go somewhere and compare non-dollar PLEX and ETC prices you end up with a difference.
Care to explain yourself CCP?
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
692
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Posted - 2014.05.20 22:39:00 -
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Terminator 2 wrote:CCP Pericolo wrote:The price for the new PLEX Activation Codes is the same as the ETC. For example the 30 day ETC is the same price as the 1 x 30 day PLEX Activation code and the 60 day ETC is the same price as the 2 x 30 day PLEX Activation code. These scale accordingly depending on the number of PLEX contained within the PLEX Activation Code.
Except it is not. At least outside of Dollar payments. Not even for the things you sell yourself on amazon. Currently 1 Month ETC from Seller CCP Games on German Amazon is: 15,17 EUR, while one PLEX from CCP Games is 17,99 EUR. 12 months ETC are 132,91 EUR, while 12 PLEX are 179,99 EUR. Whenever you go somewhere and compare non-dollar PLEX and ETC prices you end up with a huge difference that can not be tracked to currency conversion. Care to explain yourself CCP?
The price for a single PLEX is even higher on eveonline.com itself at 19,99 euro while all third party retailers have them at 14,60 euro. While I never really understood the difference in prices, nothing is prohibiting CCP from charging different rates on different platforms. Just as there is nothing stopping you from just buying your codes or PLEX or gametime from the cheapest legal source.
I mean, you play EVE Online. Surely you know how to compare prices? My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Eli Hakomairos
Creeper Co. Forkoff
6
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Posted - 2014.05.20 22:46:00 -
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So, stupid question, but what exactly is the point? I never understood 3rd party retailers for eve, except Amazon, which i myself use since i gain buy cards in stores for it. So, again, what is the point? Why does CCP sell them to others that will sell them cheaper instead of just dropping the price themselves? |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
692
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Posted - 2014.05.20 22:51:00 -
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Eli Hakomairos wrote:So, stupid question, but what exactly is the point? I never understood 3rd party retailers for eve, except Amazon, which i myself use since i gain buy cards in stores for it. So, again, what is the point? Why does CCP sell them to others that will sell them cheaper instead of just dropping the price themselves?
I'd like to know this as well.
What is the reason or thought process behind selling codes to third party retailers who then resell it for you? Surely anyone wanting to play EVE knows how to find its website and purchase game time there?
And to go deeper into this, why are the prices between different places so wildly different? My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
267
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Posted - 2014.05.21 03:24:00 -
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Rastlor wrote:Can you confirm please if it's possible to convert Plex back to Plex Code - the conversion of Plex to GTC was the secure way to move plex if that option is no longer available I foresee many more Plex lost during transport which if I were cynical (and I mostly am) I think is part of the reason for the change.
Why would you transfer an item that can be activated from literally anywhere in EVE? As long as it's in your assets, you can right-click and use it. Works even when you are in a wormhole. My signature got stolen (o.0) |
Eli Hakomairos
Creeper Co. Forkoff
6
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Posted - 2014.05.21 03:28:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Rastlor wrote:Can you confirm please if it's possible to convert Plex back to Plex Code - the conversion of Plex to GTC was the secure way to move plex if that option is no longer available I foresee many more Plex lost during transport which if I were cynical (and I mostly am) I think is part of the reason for the change.
Why would you transfer an item that can be activated from literally anywhere in EVE? As long as it's in your assets, you can right-click and use it. Works even when you are in a wormhole. To sell. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
11928
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Posted - 2014.05.21 05:50:00 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:Chribba wrote:Will we ever see the ability to extend another pilots account using a code or plex?
Thinking it would be so nice if I could activate a plex from my side on someone elses account (my alt accounts really) instead of having to log on to extend them all the time.
/c Do what I do, just reverse redeem them on all accounts, then you can activate them one by one from the account website. You can pay for a 12 month sub with 12 PLEX so then you only have to do it once a year. And if the account expire you don't have to use hours for PLEX either. I still would need to log on to the account to reverse redeem them tho so I could just activate them directly there instead.
But I see other ways of "remote account activation" as well, holding contests and giving out one month as a prize, that would allow me to be sure that the account gets time rather than someone selling the plex.
/c
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Krom Thomson
DNS Requiem Brothers of Tangra
34
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Posted - 2014.05.21 06:34:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:For the longest time, our 3rd party partners have sold EVE Time Codes to allow you to subscribe to EVE. Over time, however, they have become increasingly supplanted by PLEX. In order to adapt to this change, we are moving away from ETC to new PLEX Activation Codes. CCP Spitfire describes what this change means in his new dev blog.
Dear CCP Eterne If CCP thank to your company poor choices i will be closing 3 accounts and recommending to other to do the same thing and start boycotting your company until you start making choices that are in favor of the community.
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Krom Thomson
DNS Requiem Brothers of Tangra
34
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Posted - 2014.05.21 06:37:00 -
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gascanu wrote:hmm it's just me or plex is more expensive than GTC? it is good friend and that is why ccp is taking them away |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
15617
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Posted - 2014.05.21 07:38:00 -
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ImYourMom wrote:So you have just completely screwed over the UK players where it will now cost twice as much as it did before for the same amount of time.
Gtc for 60 days cost me $35 because i could buy from.any site. Now it will cost me -ú30 which is about $50 . Unless we can buy at dollar cost still if not then Guess this now makes it impossible for me to continue to keep subbing
Um, why aren't you just buying a subscription from CCP? You can get 1 month for -ú9.99 last I looked. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
May O'Neez
Flying Blacksmiths
40
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Posted - 2014.05.21 09:19:00 -
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I have a friend of mine who currently buys bundles of ETCs for a whole year in a Drug Store (he uses printed tickets and doesn't want to buy online). This way he could just validate once and get a year of subscribtion.
New system: ETC replaced by PLEX, now he will have to type code, then redeem plexes, then log and activate each damn PLEX to extend up to a year. Where's the improvement ?
Another worry is regarding PLEX prices that are more expensive (~ 3 - 5E / ticket) than ETCs, so it may align eventually ... |
Obunagawe
360
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Posted - 2014.05.21 17:43:00 -
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"The Suggested Retail Price (SRP) on PLEX Activation Codes is going to be the same as the SRP for PLEX offered directly by CCP GÇö so a 2-PLEX Code will cost you the same as a an old 60-day ETC would have. "
This statement contradicts itself. |
Retar Aveymone
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
384
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Posted - 2014.05.21 18:06:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote: The price for a single PLEX is even higher on eveonline.com itself at 19,99 euro while all third party retailers have them at 14,60 euro. While I never really understood the difference in prices, nothing is prohibiting CCP from charging different rates on different platforms. Just as there is nothing stopping you from just buying your codes or PLEX or gametime from the cheapest legal source.
ccp is paying the VAT, your plex reseller is not
european VAT is why dollar prices generally equal euro prices despite the difference in buying power of the respective currencies - it's about equal to the difference so companies just call it a day
ccp has to collect the VAT for its european customers, but if you buy a plex with euros from some plex reseller in the US, you might have a legal obligation to pay taxes but the plex reseller does not and can therefore "undercut" ccp |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
1833
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Posted - 2014.05.21 19:37:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote: Not sure what you're on about but any official GTC/PLEX reseller has 2 PLEX on sale for 34 dollars or so. That's 20 or so pounds for you. Prices were the same for GTC. If your retailer is making you pay 30 pounds for 2 PLEX, go find a new retailer because the current one is overcharging by a LOT.
This is correct. 1- and 2-PLEX packages cost exactly the same as 30-day and 60-day ETCs ($19.99 and $34.99), so retailers who sell in USD maintain the same prices as before.
Obunagawe wrote:"The Suggested Retail Price (SRP) on PLEX Activation Codes is going to be the same as the SRP for PLEX offered directly by CCP GÇö so a 2-PLEX Code will cost you the same as a an old 60-day ETC would have. "
This statement contradicts itself.
Right, I see where the confusion comes from. To be entirely correct, it should have said "... the same as the US dollar SRP for PLEX offered by CCP"
Retar Aveymone wrote:TigerXtrm wrote: The price for a single PLEX is even higher on eveonline.com itself at 19,99 euro while all third party retailers have them at 14,60 euro. While I never really understood the difference in prices, nothing is prohibiting CCP from charging different rates on different platforms. Just as there is nothing stopping you from just buying your codes or PLEX or gametime from the cheapest legal source.
ccp is paying the VAT, your plex reseller is not european VAT is why dollar prices generally equal euro prices despite the difference in buying power of the respective currencies - it's about equal to the difference so companies just call it a day ccp has to collect the VAT for its european customers
Without going into too much (boring) detail, this is essentially an entirely correct summary.
CCP Spitfire | Marketing & Sales Team @ccp_spitfire |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
1833
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Posted - 2014.05.21 19:40:00 -
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Krom Thomson wrote:gascanu wrote:hmm it's just me or plex is more expensive than GTC? it is good friend and that is why ccp is taking them away
This is not entirely correct. GTCs used to cost the same as PLEX in US dollars, and nothing changes in this regard for the new PLEX Activation Codes. So if you used to buy 10 60-day GTCs every month from Reseller X and pay $350, you will still be able to buy 10 2-PLEX codes from the same Reseller X and pay exactly the same amount.
CCP Spitfire | Marketing & Sales Team @ccp_spitfire |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
15622
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Posted - 2014.05.21 19:48:00 -
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CCP Spitfire wrote:Krom Thomson wrote:gascanu wrote:hmm it's just me or plex is more expensive than GTC? it is good friend and that is why ccp is taking them away This is not entirely correct. GTCs used to cost the same as PLEX in US dollars, and nothing changes in this regard for the new PLEX Activation Codes. So if you used to buy 10 60-day GTCs every month from Reseller X and pay $350, you will still be able to buy 10 2-PLEX codes from the same Reseller X and pay exactly the same amount.
Spitfire, when people are enjoying themselves having a good rant and moan and complain about CCP, it's really rather rude of you to just barge in with your "facts" and your "information" and just spoil everyone's fun.
I don't want to tell you how to post, but maybe you could think about being a bit more considerate in future? "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
1833
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Posted - 2014.05.21 20:03:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
Spitfire, when people are enjoying themselves having a good rant and moan and complain about CCP, it's really rather rude of you to just barge in with your "facts" and your "information" and just spoil everyone's fun.
I don't want to tell you how to post, but maybe you could think about being a bit more considerate in future?
I am ever so sorry. It's been a while since I posted, so I'm a little rusty on the etiquette.
But in all seriousness, I can see where it gets confusing, and want to stress that we are not changing the prices. On the contrary, we are working on some interesting ways to make buying the more expensive PLEX packages more worth it.
CCP Spitfire | Marketing & Sales Team @ccp_spitfire |
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Shadow Preldent
Deadspace Exploration Conglomerates
0
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Posted - 2014.05.22 04:06:00 -
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One of the unique features of ETC is that you could use ISK to activate an account that has hours for PLEX disable.
Lets say for example that I have an account that has hours for plex disabled, (because I use hours for plex/buddy incorrectly) CCP removed hours for plex from that account and will never give it back . . . ok that's fine.
If I forget to reverse redeem PLEX on that account I can always transfer ISK to that account, post a WTB GTC at something well above market and get my account reactivated very quickly.
This might not be a problem for the average user but when you have 30+ accounts that you may or may not keep active at a point in time this can happen rather often (I buy 5-6 GTC every year for just this reason).
After you remove GTCs will there be any way to activate an account that has hours for plex disabled using ISK?
I suppose I could wait 6 months and use the "7 free days to return" thing, but that's not exactly expedient.
-SP |
Arcos Vandymion
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2014.05.22 06:31:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:TigerXtrm wrote: The price for a single PLEX is even higher on eveonline.com itself at 19,99 euro while all third party retailers have them at 14,60 euro. While I never really understood the difference in prices, nothing is prohibiting CCP from charging different rates on different platforms. Just as there is nothing stopping you from just buying your codes or PLEX or gametime from the cheapest legal source.
ccp is paying the VAT, your plex reseller is not european VAT is why dollar prices generally equal euro prices despite the difference in buying power of the respective currencies - it's about equal to the difference so companies just call it a day ccp has to collect the VAT for its european customers, but if you buy a plex with euros from some plex reseller in the US, you might have a legal obligation to pay taxes but the plex reseller does not and can therefore "undercut" ccp
I'm pretty sure most products imported into the EU have different price margins in different member states since there is NO common VAT (how stupid that is, is an entirely different topic though) - and while there is no "value added tax" in no american state most of the american states raise a sales tax on a whole lot of different (but it isn't called a VAT ^.^ ). Point beign - this is annyoing. I recon most players are american but they are in no way a majority. Also - a subscription isn't a service or product or whatever? Because if the PLEX is one how come that ain't (it sure doesn't have the same pricetag)? Legaleese is so complicated. <.<
TLD;DR: Guess I'll just keep using subscriptions - PLEX are to expensive either in or out of game. |
Retar Aveymone
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
390
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Posted - 2014.05.22 13:01:00 -
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Arcos Vandymion wrote:- and while there is no "value added tax" in no american state most of the american states raise a sales tax on a whole lot of different things (but it isn't called a VAT ^.^ ). virtually every product bought online ignores state sales taxes and the buyer is supposed to voluntarily pay the sales tax themselves
you can imagine how often that happens |
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CCP Pericolo
C C P C C P Alliance
4
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Posted - 2014.05.22 16:44:00 -
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Shadow Preldent wrote:One of the unique features of ETC is that you could use ISK to activate an account that has hours for PLEX disable.
Lets say for example that I have an account that has hours for plex disabled, (because I use hours for plex/buddy incorrectly) CCP removed hours for plex from that account and will never give it back . . . ok that's fine.
If I forget to reverse redeem PLEX on that account I can always transfer ISK to that account, post a WTB GTC at something well above market and get my account reactivated very quickly.
This might not be a problem for the average user but when you have 30+ accounts that you may or may not keep active at a point in time this can happen rather often (I buy 5-6 GTC every year for just this reason).
After you remove GTCs will there be any way to activate an account that has hours for plex disabled using ISK?
I suppose I could wait 6 months and use the "7 free days to return" thing, but that's not exactly expedient.
-SP
You can always contact Customer Support at [email protected] to have your Hours for PLEX reset. You are then able to purchase PLEX with ISK in game. As long as this service is not abused we will reset it.
If for any reason you do not wish to use the Hours for PLEX service you can also use the PLEX Activation Codes (PAC) and apply a PLEX directly as game time from Account Management. You will simply need to add the PAC to your account and then use the PLEX in your redeeming system as payment. This process is detailed here:
1) Log into Account Management. 2) Hover over the GÇ£Game TimeGÇ¥ drop down tab. 3) Select GÇ£Add Game TimeGÇ¥ 4) Select the 1 month (30 days) subscription option. 5) Select PLEX as a payment method and verify that you indeed wish to use the PLEX as a payment method and continue with the confirmation. 6) A receipt will be shown when the PLEX injection is successful.
This will activate your account for 30 days (if using only one PLEX).
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Alexis Nightwish
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2014.05.22 19:01:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:ImYourMom wrote:So you have just completely screwed over the UK players where it will now cost twice as much as it did before for the same amount of time.
Gtc for 60 days cost me $35 because i could buy from.any site. Now it will cost me -ú30 which is about $50 . Unless we can buy at dollar cost still if not then Guess this now makes it impossible for me to continue to keep subbing Um, why aren't you just buying a subscription from CCP? You can get 1 month for -ú9.99 last I looked. This is what I do. In fact, during Fanfest this year Amazon.com had a 15% off deal for subs so I picked that up. Worked out to $9.30 USD per month. Quite the bargain IMO!
CCP feel free to do that again next year, but make it available to everyone instead of just those of us in the U.S. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
1104
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Posted - 2014.05.23 05:49:00 -
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Alexis Nightwish wrote:This is what I do. In fact, during Fanfest this year Amazon.com had a 15% off deal for subs so I picked that up. Worked out to $9.30 USD per month. Quite the bargain IMO! CCP feel free to do that again next year, but make it available to everyone instead of just those of us in the U.S. Keep in mind that CCP has no control over what deals Amazon, or any other reseller, decides to run.
CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
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Marsha Mallow
689
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Posted - 2014.05.23 14:25:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Will we ever see the ability to extend another pilots account using a code or plex?
Thinking it would be so nice if I could activate a plex from my side on someone elses account (my alt accounts really) instead of having to log on to extend them all the time.
/c Some way to transfer plex between accounts & redeem without logging in would be really helpful. Or if we reverse redeem plex on any character ingame the ability to see them via account management across our accounts and apply them (provided they are linked via email/rl info etc). TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Terminator 2
Omega Boost
3
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Posted - 2014.05.24 14:27:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:Alexis Nightwish wrote:This is what I do. In fact, during Fanfest this year Amazon.com had a 15% off deal for subs so I picked that up. Worked out to $9.30 USD per month. Quite the bargain IMO! CCP feel free to do that again next year, but make it available to everyone instead of just those of us in the U.S. Keep in mind that CCP has no control over what deals Amazon, or any other reseller, decides to run.
In the case of Amazon i doubt your statement, since the items in question are sold by the seller "CCP Games" on the platform Amazon and not by the seller "Amazon" as various other items.
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Razefummel
Unknown Dimension Alpha Volley Union
893
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Posted - 2014.05.25 00:06:00 -
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Well... whats with the Buddyinvite Rewards btw.?
If an Player today activates his Account directly with an ETC in the Accountmanagement, the Buddy will get an Plex as Option afaik. If an Player activates his Account with an PLEX the Buddy wil get no Plex (maybe for reselling).
So im just wondering ... isn-¦t it a bit contraproductive to remove the Plex as Reward for that Option... it could maybe reduce the number of Buddyprogramm Provider in Forums, i guess.
Greetings
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