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Amyclas Amatin
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
278
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Posted - 2014.05.21 01:56:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:First, your survey is useless as it ignores a large proportion of the player base. Next time, if there is one, make the survey applicable to everyone (i.e. including NPC corp members).
Also, as Tippia mentioned, the suicide ganking question is unanswerable for many players (me included). I have never done it, but I can't say there are no circumstances in which I might consider it. There is no option for me to say that and I can't truthfully select any of the existing options, so I can't complete the survey.
Couldn't complete all the wardec questions either, so again unable to finish the survey.
Wasted my time going through to the end before discovering that. Not helpful.
How would you rephrase some of the questions? For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ High-Sec has a future, But do You? Buy a Mining Permit to Secure yours today. |
Praxis Ginimic
North Korean Space Program Advanced Amateurs
791
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Posted - 2014.05.21 03:10:00 -
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I really did enjoy your survey. The one underlying issue that I have with it though, is alts. I felt the need to answer each question from the point of view of whichever alt it most applied to. Some questions were ambiguous in this sense.
Otherwise, good job sir
Edit for favorite answer: I eat what I kill. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
5093
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Posted - 2014.05.21 04:35:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I submitted mine, also I suggest that next time you word it to be a tad more... neutral. Yeah, more my line of answers. ISK making questions could be better, but that is a broad category, maybe best to have multi answer boxes there. |
Dub Step
Death To Everyone But Us
136
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Posted - 2014.05.21 05:26:00 -
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I completed your survey but it was obviously generated by someone suffering victim mentality. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1603
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Posted - 2014.05.21 08:44:00 -
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I feel like comments in this thread are going to provide some good sources of targets for wardecs! |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
496
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Posted - 2014.05.21 10:14:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:First, your survey is useless as it ignores a large proportion of the player base. Next time, if there is one, make the survey applicable to everyone (i.e. including NPC corp members).
Also, as Tippia mentioned, the suicide ganking question is unanswerable for many players (me included). I have never done it, but I can't say there are no circumstances in which I might consider it. There is no option for me to say that and I can't truthfully select any of the existing options, so I can't complete the survey.
Couldn't complete all the wardec questions either, so again unable to finish the survey.
Wasted my time going through to the end before discovering that. Not helpful. How would you rephrase some of the questions? By adding either an 'other' box, as you have already done in some cases, or a 'none of the above' option to every question.
The point being that with the best will in the world you will never come up with a list of specific options that cover all possibilities.
You're not alone - I find myself unable to complete about 60% of all multiple choice questionnaires I attempt because of this basic error.
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Kronenbourg Strasbourg
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2014.05.21 11:09:00 -
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Great idea, although could do with a little better execution - but then research / insight / analysis is what I do for a living, so I am probably a harsh critic!
On a serious note, if you ever want some assistance with this / future surveys, just give me a shout. I have access to some great software and you can buy me a space-beer as reward ;)
Cheers and good luck :) |
Victor Andall
Heleneto Holdings
488
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Posted - 2014.05.21 12:39:00 -
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Why is there an interesting thread in GD?
Doc Fury? Please escort this gentleman outside.
(filled out the survey) I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do? |
Da'iel Zehn
Evil Frosty's Premium Liqours and Fine Wines
154
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Posted - 2014.05.21 12:53:00 -
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Thanks for the survey! I enjoyed filling it out.
"Anti-thief, anti-macro, anti-sweat shop, anti-pirate, anti-griefer, anti-ganker... dirt bag hunter."
The qoute there is from my bio, and how I feel about things. In light of that, I love high sec the way it is and the emergent aggression game play. I don't want it changed to make things safer. If anything, I'd like some of the changes that have been made to make things safer rolled back.
DZ Daniel Zehn Keeper of Evil Frosty
PLEX for...-á :-) |
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
494
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Posted - 2014.05.21 14:25:00 -
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Amusing wee distraction - thanks |
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
522
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Posted - 2014.05.21 15:47:00 -
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High sec is mostly about the convenience for me. Sometimes it is nice to just log in for an hour and play in relative safety. Gankers are always welcome to try, but I try to make my fittings so it isn't worth their time. Right now I'm hardware and time constrained. I can't wait to get my ass back out to lowsec, and maybe try out some wormholes. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
2357
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Posted - 2014.05.21 16:22:00 -
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Submitted my survey. Surprisingly I came down on the side of risk in hisec. I know, weird. Did not expect that at all. "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
182
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Posted - 2014.05.21 17:56:00 -
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If I were blown away every time I undocked in high sec I would no longer play the game. I'd rather just play CoD for the cheap thrill "run-gun-die." Having time and effort evaporate quickly wouldn't help a great deal with my willingness to continue playing.
My question to you is. What will you do once all those who feel the same as me have left? Fly around high sec as empty as null sec, that's what. If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough. |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
267
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Posted - 2014.05.21 18:00:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:I feel like comments in this thread are going to provide some good sources of targets for wardecs! Why not.. enlist in Amarr militia and you can shoot me all day My signature got stolen (o.0) |
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
207
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Posted - 2014.05.21 20:25:00 -
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yeah i agree with some comments here about some questions being worded a little off, esp the ganking one. i dont do it myself, but i dont expecially hate the ppl who do, i've lost a barge once to a gank, but had a good fight defending myself from amother gank on a different occasion. To each his/her own.
I also made a friend from my sole instance of miner bumping lol, used a mwdgoo to ram a person out of a belt entirely, ended up talking to them for ages, and becoming friends lol
also my take on high sec war is its mostly useless, its done by 1 man corps who dont even log in let alone dont undock. I have ways around it without having to quit my corp |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2247
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Posted - 2014.05.21 20:56:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:I don't love the wording of some of these. For example...
"Have you ever been the victim of a non-consensual war-dec? *"
I've been the recipient of such a war-dec, I've lost things in such wars (generally an offline POS while I was away from the game for a spell, **** happens), but "victim" implies an entirely different experience.
This ... so I answered "no". One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries Order of the Exalted
578
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Posted - 2014.05.21 20:57:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Submitted my survey. Surprisingly I came down on the side of risk in hisec. I know, weird. Did not expect that at all. You should have voted for pvp to be removed from eve entirely! New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Marie Trudeau
Trudeau Industrie SA
20
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Posted - 2014.05.21 21:14:00 -
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The reworded version is not bad. Less use of the word "victim" and use of more neutral terms is best. |
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
239
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Posted - 2014.05.21 21:41:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Galen Darksmith wrote: Little confused by this. I mean, theft is basically joining a corp, then taking advantage of them to steal all their ****. AWOXing is just doing the same, but blowing them up instead. I can't really see why one is fine with you, but the other is "pathetic."
Because theft requires them to trust you in a directorship role so requires an active decision on their part and work on your part. AWOXing is taking advantage of a legacy mechanic that should have been removed from the game because it's a weird exception to the concord rules and was implemented specifically to allow testing of fits way back when, and the dueling mechanic has rendered it obsolete. So yea, that's why I regard AWOXing as lowest of the low and a good corp theft, while scummy, is to be appreciated as a work of villany that took some effort.
Taking someone into your corporation is, in fact, an act of trust. You are giving them access to your corp channel, whatever **** you put in the public hangars, and your comms info and intel.
Second, being able to shoot corpmates means you can shoot corp thieves or spies. Calling this a "legacy mechanic" is laughable. It's not some weird exception, CONCORD legitimately does not give two ***** what goes on between you and your corpmates.
AWOXing is the punishment for lazy-ass recruiters who can't be bothered to run their group half-decently.
"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2886
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Posted - 2014.05.21 21:55:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:Tippia wrote:The GÇ£Are you a perpetrator of suicide ganking?GÇ¥ is a bit of a loaded question. You really should have provided two GÇ£noGÇ¥ answers: GÇ£no, I don't do themGÇ¥, and GÇ£no, I abhor themGÇ¥. The current one slants far too heavily towards the latter. Excellent suggestion. But I can't quite change the form now without messing up the results.
Well pull it then and re work it.
As far as I am concerned I will not participate until the wordings are changed.
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Sibyyl
Brave Collective
1120
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Posted - 2014.05.21 21:57:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:First, your survey is useless ... Wasted my time How would you rephrase some of the questions? OP, I find your pleasant attitude refreshing. |
Jack Lennox
Killing With a Smile
134
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Posted - 2014.05.22 05:35:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:First, your survey is useless as it ignores a large proportion of the player base. Next time, if there is one, make the survey applicable to everyone (i.e. including NPC corp members).
Also, as Tippia mentioned, the suicide ganking question is unanswerable for many players (me included). I have never done it, but I can't say there are no circumstances in which I might consider it. There is no option for me to say that and I can't truthfully select any of the existing options, so I can't complete the survey.
Couldn't complete all the wardec questions either, so again unable to finish the survey.
Wasted my time going through to the end before discovering that. Not helpful. How would you rephrase some of the questions?
In regards to suicide ganking (possibly instead of the afk question), perhaps add the question "Have you ever been ganked as a result of not owning a valid mining permit?
:)
EDIT: Just finished the survey, I think you got it covered, nevermind Been ganked? Robbed? Space feelings hurt?-á Now there's something you can do! Fill out a Customer Service Comment Card!-á EIther that or contact everyone's favorite Space Detective for an instant ban! |
Amyclas Amatin
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
283
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Posted - 2014.05.22 05:50:00 -
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Since people have been asking, I've released the table of results, so viewing the comments will be much easier. For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ High-Sec has a future, But do You? Buy a Mining Permit to Secure yours today. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
1046
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Posted - 2014.05.22 10:02:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:Tippia wrote:The GÇ£Are you a perpetrator of suicide ganking?GÇ¥ is a bit of a loaded question. You really should have provided two GÇ£noGÇ¥ answers: GÇ£no, I don't do themGÇ¥, and GÇ£no, I abhor themGÇ¥. The current one slants far too heavily towards the latter. Excellent suggestion. But I can't quite change the form now without messing up the results.
The results are already messed up because of selection bias. Your answers are from people that read the forums so already a subset of eve and then further self selecting from people who read the title and felt the need to have their voice heard. The results of a survey with such a basic design flaw may be interesting but can not be used to provide meaningful statistics. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Amyclas Amatin
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
284
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Posted - 2014.05.22 12:31:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:Tippia wrote:The GÇ£Are you a perpetrator of suicide ganking?GÇ¥ is a bit of a loaded question. You really should have provided two GÇ£noGÇ¥ answers: GÇ£no, I don't do themGÇ¥, and GÇ£no, I abhor themGÇ¥. The current one slants far too heavily towards the latter. Excellent suggestion. But I can't quite change the form now without messing up the results. The results are already messed up because of selection bias. Your answers are from people that read the forums so already a subset of eve and then further self selecting from people who read the title and felt the need to have their voice heard. The results of a survey with such a basic design flaw may be interesting but can not be used to provide meaningful statistics.
Is there really a way to reach out to those who don't want to interact with other people in the game?
(Besides ganking them and sending the survey with the termination notice, which is already being done.)
But carebears and new players aside, I believe MOST of the wealth in the game is being produced in high-sec. 5 Freighter kills I made in high-sec yesterday were worth more than two weeks of pvp kills and losses in fountain. For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ High-Sec has a future, But do You? Buy a Mining Permit to Secure yours today. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6458
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Posted - 2014.05.22 12:44:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote: Is there really a way to reach out to those who don't want to interact with other people in the game?
Sure there is, it's called Caldari Navy Antimatter.
Quote: (Besides ganking them and sending the survey with the termination notice, which is already being done.)
Oh.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Kiandoshia
Tetragorn SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1741
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Posted - 2014.05.22 13:20:00 -
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I spend most of my time in sov null, so I answered most of the questions accordingly (don't really care an awful lot/don't really have to/don't go to highsec much)
One thing that I'm not that neutral about though is the wardec evasion. I think the ability to evade a wardec is great because at this point (after god knows how many times CCP tried to fix it) the whole thing is still stacked in favour of the agressor (I believe).
In my experience, turning around and actively doing something about your agressor is waste of time. Yours, theirs, doesn't matter. It's a waste of time and to avoid waste of time, I'll simply avoid the wardec. Make a wardec that backfires have consequences for the agressor and yay, maybe it'll be worth hanging around to bother the next time one rolls in ^^
(Note: I speak for myself here, I know there are plenty of people associated with my alliance/coalition who don't seem to really understand the way wardecs work, or understand and endorse it much more than I do) |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1258
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Posted - 2014.05.22 16:10:00 -
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Comedy value from the survey comments:
"High-sec aggression is used for cyberbullying. In theory it works, in practise it does not."
"Concord should impound all loot at crimescenes"
"In Corp agression needs to go to encourage more people to move out of NPC corps without worry of being instantly killed by some random person joining their corp."
"Legal griefing is still griefing."
I just wish we had names to go with these comments. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
182
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Posted - 2014.05.22 18:28:00 -
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admiral root wrote:"In Corp agression needs to go to encourage more people to move out of NPC corps without worry of being instantly killed by some random person joining their corp." You can't really argue with the logic here though. If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6529
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Posted - 2014.05.22 18:35:00 -
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Moonlit Raid wrote:admiral root wrote:"In Corp agression needs to go to encourage more people to move out of NPC corps without worry of being instantly killed by some random person joining their corp." You can't really argue with the logic here though.
Yes you can. See, watch me lol.
The danger presented by everyone, (even corpmates) is one of the best things about EVE. It keeps you on your toes, makes you careful about who you let into your corp and so on. Being in the same corp with people shouldn't in any way create some magical shield, in EVE anyone can be a threat. I say this as someone who survived an attempted awoxing but a corp mate not long after starting to play EVE. I always wondered why the Navy Raven my buddy sold me had ecm drones in it and why it told me to keep them in there and train the skill to sue them.
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