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Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.21 06:09:00 -
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Please use this thread to discuss WiS and your interest in it.
Posting your opposition to WiS will be off topic as that's not the topic of this thread.
If you don't like/want/fear/hate WiS and/or Avatar based gameplay, I would suggest you simply ignore this thread.
[I will write more here later] |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
13681
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Posted - 2014.05.21 06:13:00 -
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Why dost thou insist upon this repeated bludgeoning of a deceased equine?
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2014.05.21 06:16:00 -
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Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.21 06:17:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Why dost thou insist upon this repeated bludgeoning of a deceased equine?
That's a simple one to answer. Because there are people that like it, there are people that want it, and there are people that want to discuss it. These are the reasons they keep coming up. If the interest didn't exist, there wouldn't be WiS threads. |
Bernie Nator
4U Services Inc. Upholders
1047
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Posted - 2014.05.21 06:27:00 -
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Why would I want to walk about in one tiny station when I have a whole cluster or two to explore? |
Erica Dusette
Rolled Out
8026
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Posted - 2014.05.21 06:31:00 -
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Thank you OP.
As a subscriber of 8+ accounts and a regular contributor to both ingame and forum content I believe I pay my EVE taxes and support this thread and/or initiative.
I'm a WiS/Captains Quarters/New Eden Store/Character creator and avatar gameplay supporter and appreciate a place in this subforum in which to discuss the topic among other like-minded tax payers of New Eden who also support further development of what is essentially an existing feature, and not a new proposal.
I look forward to enjoying positive discussion in this thread and am confident the lovely ISDs will work to ensure this topic not only stays open but remains on topic through intelligent, unbiased, proactive and transparent forum moderation.
Major (Ret.) Caldari Militia | Part-time wormhole pirate | Full-time super model Gÿá Wormhole Diary | GÖí #420roloswag
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Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2014.05.21 06:32:00 -
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Bernie Nator wrote:Why would I want to walk about in one tiny station when I have a whole cluster or two to explore?
Why would you want to post in a thread about WiS when you don't care abotu WiS?
Despite everyone's need to kick over other peoples sandcastles, There are people like myself, that do look forward to a day where we can get out of our pods. The same way not everyone wants to play in null sec, or not everyone wants to do PvP, Not everyone wants WiS. All of these things can exist without everyone wanting them. |
Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2014.05.21 06:49:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Thank you OP.
As a subscriber of 8+ accounts and a regular contributor to both ingame and forum content I believe I pay my EVE taxes and support this thread and/or initiative.
I'm a WiS/Captains Quarters/New Eden Store/Character creator and avatar gameplay supporter and appreciate a place in this subforum in which to discuss the topic among other like-minded tax payers of New Eden who also support further development of what is essentially an existing feature, and not a new proposal.
I look forward to enjoying positive discussion in this thread and am confident the lovely ISDs will work to ensure this topic not only stays open but remains on topic through intelligent, unbiased, proactive and transparent forum moderation.
o7 Erica Dusette,
I salute your mature and pointed support of this thread! I look forward to taking all of your Isk in poker someday :p |
Eleanor Wish
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.21 06:50:00 -
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Or you could move this thread to F+I where it belongs. Discuss it all you want over there. |
Noriko Mai
1363
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Posted - 2014.05.21 06:51:00 -
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*firebolt* *firebolt* *wusssh* |
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Bernie Nator
4U Services Inc. Upholders
1047
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Posted - 2014.05.21 06:52:00 -
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Anonymous Forumposter wrote:Bernie Nator wrote:Why would I want to walk about in one tiny station when I have a whole cluster or two to explore? Why would you want to post in a thread about WiS when you don't care about WiS? Despite everyone's need to kick over other peoples sandcastles, There are people like myself, that do look forward to a day where we can get out of our pods. The same way not everyone wants to play in null sec, or not everyone wants to do PvP, Not everyone wants WiS. All of these things can exist without everyone wanting them. I care because I'd rather see CCP focus on gameplay content, with stuff out in space rather than walking around a station as though it were play station home. |
Draco El'Tigre
Control-Space DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.05.21 06:53:00 -
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Back when i started playing EVE (early 2009) i thought "WiS" was already a part of it. Imagine my disapointment when all i was, was a pod or ship
But EvE was good even without WiS so it was not a "dealbraker" for me. Then they announced that WiS was coming, showing us trailers and teasers... needless to say, my thong was moist for weeks and months until they released it...the CQ.... Was not sure if we should cry or laugh at that point.. i chose to laugh (but deep inside a part of me died that patch-day).
Then they started working on WoD... and i almost felt a violent rage inside me. They could not finnish what they have promised since...i dunno...2005 or sum.. But they could make another game involving character-play? Needless to say... i laughed my ass off in pure spite when that got cancelled
I still hope they will make WiS in eve.. but frankly i dont care that much anymore. I kinda lost faith in CCP and their shallow, empty "soon tm" promises. There are other games coming that will cater this need for me, and then my pods and ships can just be a distant memory of a game that REALLY could have been the best space-mmo ever..
Bittervet Out!
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Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2014.05.21 06:53:00 -
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Eleanor Wish wrote:Or you could move this thread to F+I where it belongs. Discuss it all you want over there.
We're not here to suggest WiS. We're here to discuss our interest in it in a general sense. To put it in F&I wouldn't be the appropriate place for it. |
Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2014.05.21 07:00:00 -
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Draco El'Tigre wrote:Back when i started playing EVE (early 2009) i thought "WiS" was already a part of it. Imagine my disapointment when all i was, was a pod or ship But EvE was good even without WiS so it was not a "dealbraker" for me. Then they announced that WiS was coming, showing us trailers and teasers... needless to say, my thong was moist for weeks and months until they released it...the CQ.... Was not sure if we should cry or laugh at that point.. i chose to laugh (but deep inside a part of me died that patch-day). Then they started working on WoD... and i almost felt a violent rage inside me. They could not finnish what they have promised since...i dunno...2005 or sum.. But they could make another game involving character-play? Needless to say... i laughed my ass off in pure spite when that got cancelled I still hope they will make WiS in eve.. but frankly i dont care that much anymore. I kinda lost faith in CCP and their shallow, empty "soon tm" promises. There are other games coming that will cater this need for me, and then my pods and ships can just be a distant memory of a game that REALLY could have been the best space-mmo ever.. Bittervet Out!
Sorry to hear you're so ready to leave EVE. I understand your perspective and I can relate to most of it.Hearing CCP Pockethulhu say "We know there's a powerful idea here, we haven't forgotten about it yet" (In regards to the "door" at EVE: Vegas 2013) Gives me hope that CCP truly does see the potential for the gameplay model. They'd be foolish not to. I just hope we get to a place where they feel it's a good product to develop again.
I know the Future Space Sci-Fi genre will be getting some tough competitors. While not direct competition to EVE, They will appeal to a good majority of common demographics that EVE does. Perhaps this is part of the motivation for the existing restructuring currently happening in CCP to "Circle the wagons" and bring everything back to PC with ports to other platforms as a secondary focus. I hope this may also be the fire under their ***es needed to get them to re-evaluate a product focused on a more casual social gaming experience. |
Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2014.05.21 07:05:00 -
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Bernie Nator wrote:Anonymous Forumposter wrote:Bernie Nator wrote:Why would I want to walk about in one tiny station when I have a whole cluster or two to explore? Why would you want to post in a thread about WiS when you don't care about WiS? Despite everyone's need to kick over other peoples sandcastles, There are people like myself, that do look forward to a day where we can get out of our pods. The same way not everyone wants to play in null sec, or not everyone wants to do PvP, Not everyone wants WiS. All of these things can exist without everyone wanting them. I care because I'd rather see CCP focus on gameplay content, with stuff out in space rather than walking around a station as though it were play station home.
You should probably also head over to the Valkyrie and Legion forums and tell CCP to stop working on those too. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5320
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Posted - 2014.05.21 07:25:00 -
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Bernie Nator wrote:Why would I want to walk about in one tiny station when I have a whole cluster or two to explore?
Because walking around a station is a little bit more entertaining than spinning a ship in the hangar for hours on end while camped in a station?
I support WiS because I look forward to more ways of interacting with other capsuleers, ways of exchanging goods that aren't reduced to looking at lists of numbers on a commodity market, and places to show off the expensive purchases we've made such as new shoes and pants.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3437
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Posted - 2014.05.21 07:27:00 -
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Anonymous Forumposter wrote:Posting your opposition to WiS will be off topic as that's not the topic of this thread. This is a discussion thread. You can't just say "the other side of this discussion is not allowed", that's not how it works. If you want to be able to do that, go make your own forum somewhere.
WiS is a pointless waste of developer time that will effectively add a first/third person minigame to EVE. I'd rather they focus on content that is relevant to the game.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2014.05.21 07:29:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Bernie Nator wrote:Why would I want to walk about in one tiny station when I have a whole cluster or two to explore? Because walking around a station is a little bit more entertaining than spinning a ship in the hangar for hours on end while camped in a station? I support WiS because I look forward to more ways of interacting with other capsuleers, ways of exchanging goods that aren't reduced to looking at lists of numbers on a commodity market, and places to show off the expensive purchases we've made such as new shoes and pants.
Here Here! Bring on the Arm Wrestling, Beer Belching, and DARTS! |
Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2014.05.21 07:33:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Anonymous Forumposter wrote:Posting your opposition to WiS will be off topic as that's not the topic of this thread. This is a discussion thread. You can't just say "the other side of this discussion is not allowed", that's not how it works. If you want to be able to do that, go make your own forum somewhere.
Your agrument would be valid if the topic were "CCP should/shouldn't make WiS" or something to that effect.
Being that the topic is "I/WE have an interest in this thing." Makes opposition off topic. There is no way for you to oppose that we do have an interest in it.
Lucas Kell wrote:WiS is a pointless waste of developer time that will effectively add a first/third person minigame to EVE. I'd rather they focus on content that is relevant to the game.
This has been gone over several times, but for your benefit I'll go over it again.
As for you rather having EVE dev's work on EVE, This is still possible while WiS dev's work on WiS. No one is suggesting that work be taken away from Internet spaceships, nor would CCP ever neglect internet spaceships again the way they did before.
As for being "A pointless waste of developer time" I highly doubt you've done the requisite market research to be qualified to state this as anything more than a baseless opinion of yours. |
Erica Dusette
Rolled Out
8029
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Posted - 2014.05.21 07:36:00 -
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Ok...so WiS and it's related discussion points!
Here's my 2c $19 USD worth.
WiS right now, as some people enjoy pointing out, is in fact dead as a development project. This is very true, and was even confirmed to me personally by a Dev who I spoke to via messages just a few days ago. There are currently no plans to continue development of WiS, and this is why you don't really hear CCP talking about the topic much.
So, where does that leave us? Well it leaves us with no WiS right now, but in the long term? Who knows, but personally I believe development of avatar based immersion in EVE is part of it's natural evolution and will eventually become a development priority once again. But still today avatar gameplay in EVE extends much, much further than the individual topic of WiS itself as a project. We have the Captain's Quarters already implemented, we have the new Character Creator utilizing the carbon engine. We have the NeX store (Soon to become the New Eden Store) where we can purchase already existing accesories for our avatars. Not only that, but while nobody is actually working on the literal WiS concept, there are still people (Art team for one) who are working on avatar accesories.
So it is a relevant EVE related topic regarding something that legitimately exists right now ingame and is subject to some development.
Who caught the Art Team presentation during Fanfest?
Who noticed the new outfits that are coming?
Who noticed the new cybernetics that are coming?
It's pretty exciting, here's some screenshots taken from the video of the presentation:
Outfits
Cybernetics 1
Cybernetics 2
Personally while I'm not that impressed with the new outfit styles I'm still excited to purchase them when available and try out combinations in the character creator. Cybernetics have never been my thing, I always thought the arms looked silly and didn't really "fit" due to the light colour tones used with them. However I find these new darker augmentations very attractive!
Members of the art team stated that these new additions were essentially just implementations of existing stuff that hadn't yet been implemented and have now just been touched up a little and are ready to go.
I'd be really excited to see them derive some fresh items too though, and I'm sure the 3D artists at CCP would relish such a chance to unleash their wonderful creativity.
So, while I won't sit here and stamp my feet and "demand WiS" I will certainly try to encourage the art team to continue the effort they're making with avatar items. Personally I'd really love to see ....
- Racial clothing and hairstyles opened up to all races
- Some new hairstyles for both genders
- Leg tattoos for both genders
- A wider variety of bottom-layer clothing (especially shorter skirts/shorts so avatars of both gender can show off legs and subsequently leg tattoos)
- Hats or head-gear (not really my thing, but a lot of people keep mentioning this *COUGH Webvan COUGH*
- A wider variety of footwear for both genders
That's just to name a few. Some other things like gloves (fingerless) would be pretty cool, and if we really want to go "out there" maybe even asthetic items such as hip/thigh holstered weapons.
As for the character creator itself I think it's beautiful. I love the Carbon Engine, although it is sad that is has some major problems and is so demanding on the average user's PC. There isn't much I'd like to see changed here, although I do find the pose selection to be quite awkward, not helped by the selection of lighting options - most of which seem dark and shadow-heavy. So, a few more 'casual' poses and a couple more selections of brighter lighting options would be really cool. Major (Ret.) Caldari Militia | Part-time wormhole pirate | Full-time super model Gÿá Wormhole Diary | GÖí #420roloswag
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Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2014.05.21 07:48:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Ok...so WiS and it's related discussion points! Here's my 2c $19 USD worth.
Great post Erica!
While I too wasn't exactly overwhelmed by the specific new pieces they're introducing, I WAS excited that they are adding new content.
As for them not currently not working on WiS, while disappointing, I can understand and appreciate this while they just retired one project and are working on getting two new projects off the ground. But they can only sell so many shirts without providing more meaningful ways of showing them off to your friends.
I do however, fear that the reality is, that in order to implement WiS, may mean the retirement of Carbon. It is a rather demanding engine with a lot of lower end systems being simply incapable of rendering multiple avatars without burning to the ground, That being said, They DID have working multiple avatar working in WoD, So I would assume the tech exists?
I completely agree that it's a natural evolution of the EVE Universe, all I can do is hope it's time in the spotlight comes sooner rather than later. |
Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier The Scourge.
224
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Posted - 2014.05.21 07:51:00 -
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Why do we need to continue beating this dead horse ?
IB4L Apply the damn rules equally >.> |
Erica Dusette
Rolled Out
8029
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Posted - 2014.05.21 07:54:00 -
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Anonymous Forumposter, why don't you post with your main?
**** the haters.
Anonymous Forumposter wrote:I WAS excited that they are adding new content. Me too!
Quote:I do however, fear that the reality is, that in order to implement WiS, may mean the retirement of Carbon. It is a rather demanding engine with a lot of lower end systems being simply incapable of rendering multiple avatars without burning to the ground, That being said, They DID have working multiple avatar working in WoD, So I would assume the tech exists? Yeah, the Carbon Engine and it's issues ... this is something I discussed briefly with Webvan the other day actually (he's actually a nice guy once you get him out of GD ). He had some good points regarding it, and I agreed with him when he said that it would probably be very impractical to "remove" the carbon engine. I'm betting it'll stay - but - whether or not it's the basis of avatar gameplay content in the future, beyond character creation, is another matter. Perhaps a seperate engine will be used?
In anycase I think it's only a matter of time before the average user's PC technology catches up with Carbon's demands. So really what would overheat a graphics card two years ago probably won't overheat the graphics cards of tomorrow. So who knows. Things change! Major (Ret.) Caldari Militia | Part-time wormhole pirate | Full-time super model Gÿá Wormhole Diary | GÖí #420roloswag
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Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2014.05.21 07:56:00 -
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Asia Leigh wrote:....
Why do we need to continue beating this dead horse ?
IB4L
This has already been answered. Please refer to post #4 for your answer. |
Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2014.05.21 08:02:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:(he's actually a nice guy once you get him out of GD ).
Unfortunately my opinion is and will be colored by the interactions that I personally have with him/her/them. If they continue to be disruptive, then my opinion will continue to be that they are disruptive.
Erica Dusette wrote:He had some good points regarding it, and I agreed with him when he said that it would probably be very impractical to "remove" the carbon engine. I'm betting it'll stay - but - whether or not it's the basis of avatar gameplay content in the future, beyond character creation, is another matter. Perhaps a seperate engine will be used?
This is pretty much where my current speculation stands also.
Erica Dusette wrote:In anycase I think it's only a matter of time before the average user's PC technology catches up with Carbon's demands. So really what would overheat a graphics card two years ago probably won't overheat the graphics cards of tomorrow. So who knows. Things change!
This is what I'm hoping will happen though!
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Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier The Scourge.
224
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Posted - 2014.05.21 08:04:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Anonymous Forumposter, why don't you post with your main? **** the haters.
Look I would like to see this implemented as much as anyone else, but what is thread #25447566 going to accomplish that the other ones couldn't? Apply the damn rules equally >.> |
Erica Dusette
Rolled Out
8032
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Posted - 2014.05.21 08:08:00 -
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Asia Leigh wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:Anonymous Forumposter, why don't you post with your main? **** the haters. Look I would like to see this implemented as much as anyone else, but what is thread #25447566 going to accomplish that the other ones couldn't? I don't think we're trying to "accomplish" anything.
We just want to discuss an existing part of EVE that interests us.
Major (Ret.) Caldari Militia | Part-time wormhole pirate | Full-time super model Gÿá Wormhole Diary | GÖí #420roloswag
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Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2014.05.21 08:10:00 -
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Asia Leigh wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:Anonymous Forumposter, why don't you post with your main? **** the haters. Look I would like to see this implemented as much as anyone else, but what is thread #25447566 going to accomplish that the other ones couldn't?
This thread already has accomplished it's goal and will continue doing so. The goal is to have a place to talk about avatar based gameplay. We're doing it right now! |
Susana Hoffs
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2014.05.21 08:36:00 -
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I fully support the OP on this. |
Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2014.05.21 08:39:00 -
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Susana Hoffs wrote:I fully support the OP on this.
HEAR HEAR! |
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