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RebelArch Geten
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.05.21 08:09:00 -
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Found some ore while exploring worm holes. Took a mining ship back to the site. Had 20 different ores to choose from. Thought this was going to be my big pay day that I read about. I picked out arkornor since the info said it was the most valuable, was only mining 10 at time, switched, same, switched same. Long story short I was pulling so little and mass was so great that I made the same as if I stayed in hi sec mining veldspar.
What did I do wrong? How to did a sca down a null sec and get away to still not make money? Do you need higher level modules and skills to mine expensive ore? What loot should I look for while exploring?
Question about scanning, I got 50 hits, I'm best suited for hacking or relic hunting, is there a way to indetify the type of site before I spend time pinpointing the sites? |
Paul Otichoda
Mine Your 0wn Business Brothers of Tangra
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Posted - 2014.05.21 08:45:00 -
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RebelArch Geten wrote: What did I do wrong? How to did a sca down a null sec and get away to still not make money? Do you need higher level modules and skills to mine expensive ore? What loot should I look for while exploring?
Not really, sad true is mining really has a base line of about 15m an hour. Most of the more expensive ores while per unit are worth more are balanced by having higher mass. However null sec allows for the use of the Rorqual capital and its massive mining boosts which do allow you to get a great increase in ISK per hour. Of course this requires you to have a lot set up in the system.
RebelArch Geten wrote:Question about scanning, I got 50 hits, I'm best suited for hacking or relic hunting, is there a way to identify the type of site before I spend time pinpointing the sites?
This is probably the best way to make ISK from null sec without living there. I'm not sure if they is anyway to a hacking site before hand but generally they seem to have slightly smaller scan spheres when you first start scanning. Beyond that I don't know. So people also suggests combat sites but null sec ones usually either need high skills or a team. Given your character age I would not advise it. |
Jur Tissant
Hemah Industries
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Posted - 2014.05.21 11:29:00 -
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Generally if you want to make money mining in low or null you'll want to set up shop there and stay for a while. There is higher ISK/hr available in null than in high but it comes with a lot of risk.
Secondly, the best way to judge the profitability of an ore is ISK/m3, since you mine a set m3/hour and your hold can contain a specific m3. https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ore/ is a good judge of that. So if you were mining Arkonor you shouldn't expect to get a ton more ISK than you would in high. You'd be better of switching to something like Jaspet, which can even be found in low-sec. |
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
245
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Posted - 2014.05.21 11:49:00 -
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RebelArch Geten wrote:Found some ore while exploring worm holes. Took a mining ship back to the site. Had 20 different ores to choose from. Thought this was going to be my big pay day that I read about. I picked out arkornor since the info said it was the most valuable, was only mining 10 at time, switched, same, switched same. Long story short I was pulling so little and mass was so great that I made the same as if I stayed in hi sec mining veldspar. Arkonor is not the most valuable ore, not even top 5. Here's an overview: Cerlestis. However, ninja mining ore in a hostile environment is not a good idea in the first place, because the risk/reward ratio is really bad. If you want to be a miner in null sec you should get into a renter corp. (But before you do that you should ask yourself if you really want to be a miner. There are other options that I believe are more fun than mining.)
Paul Otichoda wrote:RebelArch Geten wrote:Question about scanning, I got 50 hits, I'm best suited for hacking or relic hunting, is there a way to identify the type of site before I spend time pinpointing the sites? This is probably the best way to make ISK from null sec without living there. I'm not sure if they is anyway to a hacking site before hand but generally they seem to have slightly smaller scan spheres when you first start scanning. Beyond that I don't know. So people also suggests combat sites but null sec ones usually either need high skills or a team. Given your character age I would not advise it. It's not possible to learn the type of the site before pinpointing it down. However, it is possible to narrow it down. Each anomaly has a certain signature strength. Signature strengths are gouped into 9 distinct bands that contain site with the same signature strength. If you setup your probes right (no overlap) you could sort the anoms by signature strength and make educated guess about their nature (look here).
Unfortunately for you it won't really help you if you are looking for relic and data sites, because with regard to the difficulty of the site they can appear in different bands. If you live in a WH with numerous anomalies, this method might help you find your static faster, though.
Last not least, unless you have a nearby base to offload your loot, you should focus on relic sites (or combat sites if you have the skill and equipment), because the loot from data sites needs a lot more cargo space and you would be full after a few sites. |
Sugar Kyle
Calamitous-Intent Feign Disorder
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Posted - 2014.05.21 13:38:00 -
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As said above a lot of it is about optimization and volume. One thing about using a wormhole is that it time restricts you. If you choose to stay you can always use another wormhole, at some undefined future, to get back out.
Also, were you mining in your Venture? While an amazing little frigate it does not have the capacity to really handle deep null sec ore raids. The new frigate coming out the Prospect, will be a T2 frigate with a somewhat larger hold. You may want to look for gas sites instead of ore sites and hoover up booster gas in some areas of null sec. Low Sec Lifestyle - A Blog |
RebelArch Geten
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.05.21 15:02:00 -
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Sugar Kyle wrote:As said above a lot of it is about optimization and volume. One thing about using a wormhole is that it time restricts you. If you choose to stay you can always use another wormhole, at some undefined future, to get back out.
Also, were you mining in your Venture? While an amazing little frigate it does not have the capacity to really handle deep null sec ore raids. The new frigate coming out the Prospect, will be a T2 frigate with a somewhat larger hold. You may want to look for gas sites instead of ore sites and hoover up booster gas in some areas of null sec.
Yes I was in my venture and probe to scan the sites down. I was doing it for the fun and experience and don't want to possibly lose expensive ships. Thanks all. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
592
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Posted - 2014.05.21 15:18:00 -
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RebelArch Geten wrote: What did I do wrong?
The pithy version: You went mining.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries Order of the Exalted
578
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Posted - 2014.05.21 19:31:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:RebelArch Geten wrote: What did I do wrong?
The pithy version: You went mining. Beyond that, though, understand that just going to low/null/WHs doesn't mean the riches start flowing like water. It does provide more and better income opportunities, but that doesn't mean you can just nip out there on a whim with no planning or notion of what you're going to do once there and still realize any benefit. Basically this. I recommend looking into wormhole ninja gas mining though. I've heard some very high quotes for isk/hr doing that, but you'll need to research gas types first. I think I read that there are only three types of gas that are actually worth anything, and two of them are in C5 or C6 holes only. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
261
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Posted - 2014.05.21 19:44:00 -
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Surrender Monkey makes an excellent point. The rewards of null sec aren't simply that everything is worth/pays more. Null sec offers potential for expansion, filling niche markets, and only rarely unique content. Null sec used to be the only place players could have POCO's, giving them empire-like ability to collect taxes. That's changed now but it was a big benefit only available to null sec for a long time. Owning sov allows for upgrading the content in a given area, which is not something the lone tourist from high sec is going to benefit from. Yields from things like roids or PI might be increased, but having virtually no competition for planets is the real benefit of not living in high sec. If you're in a lone ship, increased yield just means you're full faster, but your cargohold is the limiting factor there. The big null alliances and renters operate huge mining fleets that will see the benefits of not only of increased yields- but zero competition for whatever belt they want to mine in.
These sorts of things are how the rewards of null sec are realized, but aren't aimed at the lone player. I benefit from upgraded sov space individually, but it requires a group effort to generate those benefits to begin with. |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
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Posted - 2014.05.21 20:40:00 -
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RebelArch Geten wrote:Found some ore while exploring worm holes. Took a mining ship back to the site. Had 20 different ores to choose from. Thought this was going to be my big pay day that I read about. I picked out arkornor since the info said it was the most valuable, was only mining 10 at time, switched, same, switched same. Long story short I was pulling so little and mass was so great that I made the same as if I stayed in hi sec mining veldspar.
What did I do wrong? How to did a sca down a null sec and get away to still not make money? Do you need higher level modules and skills to mine expensive ore? What loot should I look for while exploring?
Question about scanning, I got 50 hits, I'm best suited for hacking or relic hunting, is there a way to indetify the type of site before I spend time pinpointing the sites?
Relic and Data sites are the way to go as a small timer imho. You get to see the universe, see some cool things, and make a pretty decent amount of isk for a fairly small investment. |
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