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Brian Ratcher
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.05.21 09:18:00 -
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Hello boys and girls!
Loki experts required please.
I have a 112 mill SP pilot-skilled character returning after a break (she quit after the Drone Region nerf) so I'm just using this new character to work out what's new/different. But back to the point, I've remembered she has a Loki sitting in Hek that was bought to use as one of those sneaky gate camp breaking secret squirrel type ships. But that's all I can remember.
It has the following subsystems fitted :-
Tactical Targeting Network Amplification Node Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Covert Reconfiguration Interdiction Nullifier
Which gives it 5 highs (4+1), 6 mids and 4 lows.
1) Is that still a viable function for a Loki?
2) Anybody got a half-decent load-out for it?
3) As I'm now in Empire, it seems a bit pointless to think about creeping around gate camps in null so is there anything else this fitting can be used for?
4) So should I just sell up and move on or
5) Refit different subsystems, use another load-out and go do something different with it - but what?
All suggestions welcome (except the rude ones) and I'm willing to consider anything (except the rude stuff).
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2014.05.21 10:00:00 -
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I have no idea what you'd want to do with those subs :P
In general for pvp, there is a plated Loki with Autocannons and oversized AB, a plated one with 10mn AB and artillery and a shield-one with double nano, artillery and a single LSE as tank, aswell as a fit as a cloaky anomtackler (like plated/oversized AB and a cloak instead of the sixth gun).
There are also things like capstable active shieldtanked with 10mn AB (is bad cause subs don't work), plated mwd autocannon loki (works a little in null, but is straight out terrible in low/whs) and shieldtanked cloakies (don't do, it's horrible).
About the AHAC-one (plated, autocannons), the bulk of people goes with mwds - which is totally legit if you fly in blobfleets. If you need your loki to really perform in a smallscale engagement though, you won't get around fitting 100mn.
From my perspective:
[Loki, mulipass IV]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Centum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane Centum C-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II
Gist C-Type 100MN Afterburner True Sansha Warp Disruptor Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Is what I was running the last two years. It mitigates most of the incoming damage (and nearly all missile damage), so it's incredibly handy if you're fighting hostiles in an anom. You can dictate range and the low sig/high veocity helps with the kin/exp-heavy missiles form sleepers.
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[Loki, kite]
Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Large Shield Extender II Corelum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Loki Defensive - Amplification Node Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
Is an old kiting fit. Since you can tackle from around 40km and also project out there, you're able to engage near anything outside of where they can project damage to. Got to admit I only flew it a couple times since Sentries got popular. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Brian Ratcher
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.05.21 10:26:00 -
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Quote:I have no idea what you'd want to do with those subs
They were the standard fitting subs for the Sneaky Pete Loki and were all I installed before waving goodbye. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
595
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Posted - 2014.05.21 10:33:00 -
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Brian Ratcher wrote:Quote:I have no idea what you'd want to do with those subs They were the standard fitting subs for the Sneaky Pete Loki and were all I installed before waving goodbye.
Guess you could take that fit and replace the engineering with a PCM and the targeting one for a range thingy and go for elite station pvp (warp @100km, decloak, kill cyno with 720s/Tremor), but that's about it...
If you're into gatecamping, you might want to look into sabre+falcon(+backup-falcon + backup-falcon-falcon), that's what people are running currently with great success. :P "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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McRoll
iMmortal Wings
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Posted - 2014.05.21 11:04:00 -
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I use my Loki sometimes as a fast tackler + sniper. You can tackle a frig in a second or less if you have some remote sensor boosting on you and you can alpha many frigs instantly as well as catching pods. Comes in handy if you have a lot of traffic in frigs and Ventures and other small **** that might be stabbed.
Legion can do it too but not as good as Loki. |
Rayzilla Zaraki
Tandokuno
222
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Posted - 2014.05.21 13:18:00 -
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I am finding the Loki to be a tough one to fit, too. I got the Proteus right for several uses and I have a good laser Legion and a good missile Legion.
Tengu and Loki are the problem children for me. Gate campers are just Carebears with anger issues. |
Jon Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
129
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Posted - 2014.05.21 19:01:00 -
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Really depends what you want to use it for. Loki, like all T3s, can do a lot of things. It can be a great Rapier replacement for AHAC gangs, can be a great insta-lock arty ship, can be a great active shield tank brawler, can do the sneaky sneaky well, but Proteus is usually preferred for that role, etc.
I think the thing that maybe turns people off from the Loki is that it's not as OP as other T3s. It can field a nice tank, but not a brick monster like Prots/Legions. It can get decent/nice dps but isn't going to look great beside ridiculous blaster dps of a Proteus, etc. It's a good ship though. Kind of hope the other T3s will be brought more in line with it. |
Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.05.25 00:33:00 -
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I have a perfect skills loki and i can safely say it's the trashest T3 on the market. The heavy missile nerf maybe makes the Tengu worse, but not by a lot.
I love the Legion/Proteus though. |
Zamyslinski
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2014.05.28 11:46:00 -
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[Loki, kite]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Corelum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
425 Autocanon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425 Autocanon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425 Autocanon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425 Autocanon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425 Autocanon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M Small Unstable Power Fluctuator
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Engineering - Suplemental Coolant Injector Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5
Basicly a vagabond on steroids.
about 500dps goes 1985m/s has 54k ehp
great range control thanks to long range web
***** on takle nicely
whoth lvl 5 skills in thermodynamics and strategic criuser you can overheat tht ****** the whole fight |
Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
445
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Posted - 2014.05.28 13:46:00 -
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Zamyslinski wrote:[Loki, kite]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Corelum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
425 Autocanon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425 Autocanon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425 Autocanon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425 Autocanon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425 Autocanon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M Small Unstable Power Fluctuator
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Engineering - Suplemental Coolant Injector Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5
Basicly a vagabond on steroids.
about 500dps goes 1985m/s has 54k ehp
great range control thanks to long range web
***** on takle nicely
whoth lvl 5 skills in thermodynamics and strategic criuser you can overheat tht ****** the whole fight
Not worth the ISK or the SP loss. Loki really is a terrible autocannon Boat.
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Zamyslinski
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2014.05.29 06:55:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:Zamyslinski wrote:[Loki, kite]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Corelum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
425 Autocanon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425 Autocanon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425 Autocanon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425 Autocanon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425 Autocanon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M Small Unstable Power Fluctuator
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Engineering - Suplemental Coolant Injector Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5
Basicly a vagabond on steroids.
about 500dps goes 1985m/s has 54k ehp
great range control thanks to long range web
***** on takle nicely
whoth lvl 5 skills in thermodynamics and strategic criuser you can overheat tht ****** the whole fight Not worth the ISK or the SP loss. Loki really is a terrible autocannon Boat.
Its not a poor scrub vessel
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Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
434
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Posted - 2014.05.29 09:40:00 -
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Well the obvious use is to support armour tanked gangs.
I have 2;
[Loki, full tank 5 mid] 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Centum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centum C-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane
10MN Afterburner II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Republic Fleet Target Painter Republic Fleet Target Painter
Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb True Sansha Small EMP Smartbomb
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector Loki Offensive - Hardpoint Efficiency Configuration Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Warrior II x5
This I use for BS fleets and such, your DPS isnt really important there so you go max tank and support, you can swap mids out as needed with ECCM or more webs etc.
I also have this;
[Loki, Cheap Arty] 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Corelum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane Corelum C-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane Internal Force Field Array I Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
10MN Afterburner II Warp Disruptor II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
This is what I use for AHAC gangs where you don't need the tank as much, and where your DPS might actually be needed.
So yeah the Loki is a handy ship, I used to fly some AC kite fits but they were underwhelming, especially post TE nerf.
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Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
450
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Posted - 2014.05.29 11:32:00 -
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Zamyslinski wrote: Its not a poor scrub vessel
Your right it's not, but that doesn't mean it's not a waste of ISK. Pump that much cash into a Proteus or Legion and you'll see results. Web range and tank is the only reason it's used for fleet combat. The rest of the ship is trash compared to the other T3's. |
Deerin
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
237
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Posted - 2014.05.29 13:00:00 -
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I think a 720mm armor tanked alpha loki with bonused webs is a huge asset to any gang. That thing hits for 5k, has long range webs, has a tracking bonus and medium gun size weapon sig. |
Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
452
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Posted - 2014.05.29 23:37:00 -
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Deerin wrote:I think a 720mm armor tanked alpha loki with bonused webs is a huge asset to any gang. That thing hits for 5k, has long range webs, has a tracking bonus and medium gun size weapon sig.
The only thing it can do better than a Rail Prot or Beam Legion is the webs. But a prot can disable MWD's from 20K and keep a point on the target from twice that range easily.
I wont argue that 720's are better than AC's though. I've been on the receiving end of both kinds of Loki, Arty Loki's are the only ones that actually caused a threat. |
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
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Posted - 2014.05.30 06:03:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:Deerin wrote:I think a 720mm armor tanked alpha loki with bonused webs is a huge asset to any gang. That thing hits for 5k, has long range webs, has a tracking bonus and medium gun size weapon sig. The only thing it can do better than a Rail Prot or Beam Legion is the webs. But a prot can disable MWD's from 20K and keep a point on the target from twice that range easily. I wont argue that 720's are better than AC's though. I've been on the receiving end of both kinds of Loki, Arty Loki's are the only ones that actually caused a threat.
How would you fit that proty? Im assuming I'd need gall strat cruiser to 5 as well? Erotica 1: "I would create a massive pyramid scheme in Eve to show you what it is, but I'm an honest business person, so you'll just have to find education elsewhere. Start with the wiki link that was linked by a person who didn't even read what he linked." Theres a reason I play eve XD |
Zamyslinski
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2014.05.30 09:12:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:Zamyslinski wrote: Its not a poor scrub vessel
Your right it's not, but that doesn't mean it's not a waste of ISK. Pump that much cash into a Proteus or Legion and you'll see results. Web range and tank is the only reason it's used for fleet combat. The rest of the ship is trash compared to the other T3's.
Indeed but the other t3s are not usefull in skirmish warfere this is the thing were tengu and loki exceed all other t3s The loki fit i posted is perfect anti takle the autocannons are good on the ship both range wise and dps wise,
Thing is you can fit the ship without any pimpage and for about 370 mil you get pretty similar results.
then it has the same range bonus as the cynabal and vagabond so how does it make it a worse AC platform than those two ships?
True its slower than vaga but i didnt undock the ship without snakes which make that thing go past 3k m/s
So no other t3s are viable as skirmishers except the loki and 100mn tengu. perhaps a 100mn legion though armor ships for skirmish are meh anyway (passive shield recharge while puling range ftw)
Just saying if you know what youre doing and are a decent small gang skirmish (2-3 people) pilot this is the ship for you.
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Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
453
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Posted - 2014.05.30 09:25:00 -
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Tarojan wrote:Maeltstome wrote:Deerin wrote:I think a 720mm armor tanked alpha loki with bonused webs is a huge asset to any gang. That thing hits for 5k, has long range webs, has a tracking bonus and medium gun size weapon sig. The only thing it can do better than a Rail Prot or Beam Legion is the webs. But a prot can disable MWD's from 20K and keep a point on the target from twice that range easily. I wont argue that 720's are better than AC's though. I've been on the receiving end of both kinds of Loki, Arty Loki's are the only ones that actually caused a threat. How would you fit that proty? Im assuming I'd need gall strat cruiser to 5 as well?
It's a bunch of 5 day skills so it's not a big deal to assume subsystems 5 and strat cruiser 4.
[Proteus, Armor Gang]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Armor Explosive Hardener II Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
10MN Microwarpdrive II True Sansha Warp Scrambler Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor Proteus Propulsion - Wake Limiter Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Hammerhead II x5
If you'd rather have a webifier you can change some subsytems but you'll be dropping a Gun slot for a Mid slot. Webbing isn't your job though.
You can swap the cap injector for a web and still be cap stable with the MWD off - but i'd recommend keeping it to avoid being neuted into a space-brick.
Oh, the Scram range is ~17k, 22k overheat. It's 22K base with gang links. Slaves + Gang links puts you at 300k ehp, without them you only have 160k. Casual 600+ DPS with 18k opti on antimatter.
Also you can drop a bunch of EHP and be a bit more Nano depending on your gang format. Sadly no AB subsystem on the prot though. |
Ahz
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.18 20:28:00 -
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I'm in a similar position. Returning after two years away.
Looking to fit up a Loki for null sec solo exploration. Not particularly interested in PVP but wish to be able to move about at will.
When I left Loki was well suited for this. Is this still the case?
What potential fits would work?
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Guns'N'Ammo
The Dark Resistance
13
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Posted - 2014.06.20 18:40:00 -
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Here is the fit I have been using since the ASB came out. Before adding the DG Invuln I was using a T2 but that required a 3% cpu implant. The current mods allow it to fit with no implants being required. The dps is able to get above 500 with the appropriate damage implants and this baby has been able to melt/tank most ratters I've come across.
[Cloaky, Loki] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400 Shield Boost Amplifier II Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Republic Fleet Warp Scrambler Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier |
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.20 23:16:00 -
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I know this is irrelevant to this post, but the Loki and Tengu needs a nerf... They are completely overshadowing the Legion and Proteus |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
338
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Posted - 2014.06.21 03:21:00 -
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The Loki hasn't overshadowed the Proteus since Medium Rails turned into real guns. Nowadays there is very little reason to fly a Loki outside of web support for armor fleets. |
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