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Rajeet Achmar
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2014.05.21 23:51:00 -
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Just wanted to let everyone know they are in the server now, you can see lovely half textured battleships and cruisers siege a gruistas outpost.
Word of warning, it is EXTREMELY hard to complete, like the battleships are equivalent to buffer fit scorpion navys, and the cruisers are no joke either, I have yet to solo one in my Hamgus (800-1200dps) or anything else.
They show up in low sec systems as "besieged covert research facility" and the mordus ships dont leave wrecks when blown up, though I have yet to find out if they do if you save the facility.
Hopefully ccp makes these sites a little easier on full release, they are pretty much impossible to solo with subcaps at the moment in my opinion. |
Wedge Minner
Transcendent Sedition Protean Concept
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Posted - 2014.05.22 00:04:00 -
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Cool, can't wait to find one and try one :) What sort of tank do you need to do them? |
Rajeet Achmar
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2014.05.22 00:23:00 -
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Wedge Minner wrote:Cool, can't wait to find one and try one :) What sort of tank do you need to do them?
Dont need a lot of tank, but you for sure need a lot of dps, there are mutliple waves and it ends in like 10 mins, It could be possible with maybe 10 alpha ships or more all focus'ing fire
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Wedge Rancer
Transcendent Sedition Protean Concept
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Posted - 2014.05.22 00:23:00 -
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Rajeet Achmar wrote:Wedge Minner wrote:Cool, can't wait to find one and try one :) What sort of tank do you need to do them? Dont need a lot of tank, but you for sure need a lot of dps, there are mutliple waves and it ends in like 10 mins, It could be possible with maybe 10 alpha ships or more all focus'ing fire Hmm, Sounds like CCP finally gave us some mini Incursions :) |
Rajeet Achmar
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2014.05.22 00:33:00 -
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Wedge Rancer wrote:Rajeet Achmar wrote:Wedge Minner wrote:Cool, can't wait to find one and try one :) What sort of tank do you need to do them? Dont need a lot of tank, but you for sure need a lot of dps, there are mutliple waves and it ends in like 10 mins, It could be possible with maybe 10 alpha ships or more all focus'ing fire Hmm, Sounds like CCP finally gave us some mini Incursions :) EDIT: Also, is it behind an acceleration gate? if not carriers and dreads and webbing ships might be an option for beating it.
No gate, and thats exactly what I think will need to happen to beat it at this stage, So far ive gotten to the 2nd wave before it blew up.
Wave 1: A: 1x Cruiser 3x Battlepancake B: 2x Cruiser 2x Battlepancake Wave 2: 2-4x Cruiser 2-4x Battlepancake ???
If anyone wants to fleet up and try and beat it and hopefully get a blueprint or something, or just to say i beat one of the harder anomalies in the game, feel free to message me. |
Wedge Rancer
Transcendent Sedition Protean Concept
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Posted - 2014.05.22 00:43:00 -
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Rajeet Achmar wrote:Wedge Rancer wrote:Rajeet Achmar wrote:Wedge Minner wrote:Cool, can't wait to find one and try one :) What sort of tank do you need to do them? Dont need a lot of tank, but you for sure need a lot of dps, there are mutliple waves and it ends in like 10 mins, It could be possible with maybe 10 alpha ships or more all focus'ing fire Hmm, Sounds like CCP finally gave us some mini Incursions :) EDIT: Also, is it behind an acceleration gate? if not carriers and dreads and webbing ships might be an option for beating it. No gate, and thats exactly what I think will need to happen to beat it at this stage, So far ive gotten to the 2nd wave before it blew up. Wave 1: A: 1x Cruiser 3x Battlepancake B: 2x Cruiser 2x Battlepancake Wave 2: 2-4x Cruiser 2-4x Battlepancake ??? If anyone wants to fleet up and try and beat it and hopefully get a blueprint or something, or just to say i beat one of the harder anomalies in the game, feel free to message me. Ill join you if your on when I get home. Also, them Battlepancakes :D |
Rajeet Achmar
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2014.05.22 02:03:00 -
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The might mordus legion site was defeated, only took 3 carriers fit for max dps with tps.... and the can prize was empty T_T
CCP pls |
Wedge Rancer
Transcendent Sedition Protean Concept
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Posted - 2014.05.22 04:21:00 -
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Well, im not surprised it was empty considering they have not even announced the sites are out as far as I can tell |
Rajeet Achmar
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2014.05.22 05:42:00 -
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was worth a shot anyway |
Darkblad
Hilfe is like Free Entertainment
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Posted - 2014.05.22 08:42:00 -
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The single Container in that site also doesn't trigger the minigame. Just the plain old cycling of Data/Relic Analyzer.
After successful breach, attempting to open the container results inClient wrote:08:30:35NotifyYou cannot access the Guristas Research and Trade Hub (Guristas Research and Trade Hub) while it is being guarded. While there's still NPCs on grid. Pretty different to the current Ghost sites, where the NPC are just an annoyance that needs to be tanked.
While the NPC have a decent tank, their damage isn't yet implemented (volleys of 0). They also don't leave behind wrecks. Once the site despawns, all that's left is a bug.
Let's see when there's a DEV note on the sites. EVE Infolinks -+-áOld and new-áPortraits |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
10564
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Posted - 2014.05.22 13:58:00 -
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Feel free to test these sites, but the versions on sisi are not complete. The NPC balance in particular is not finished, as many of you may already suspect. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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Rajeet Achmar
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2014.05.22 14:17:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Feel free to test these sites, but the versions on sisi are not complete. The NPC balance in particular is not finished, as many of you may already suspect.
Not that needing 3 carriers was any indication ;) |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1434
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Posted - 2014.05.22 16:01:00 -
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Rajeet Achmar wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Feel free to test these sites, but the versions on sisi are not complete. The NPC balance in particular is not finished, as many of you may already suspect. Not that needing 3 carriers was any indication ;)
Needing 3 carriers is a fantastic gameplay addition. Group pve content is one of the things that eve really lacks. Provides fantastic options for escalation, traps and all the things that make eve a great game (given the fact that taking the risk of bringing 3 carriers is justified by the rewards) GRRR Goons |
Marlise Chelien
Awesome Federation of Awesome
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Posted - 2014.05.22 16:10:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:Rajeet Achmar wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Feel free to test these sites, but the versions on sisi are not complete. The NPC balance in particular is not finished, as many of you may already suspect. Not that needing 3 carriers was any indication ;) Needing 3 carriers is a fantastic gameplay addition. Group pve content is one of the things that eve really lacks. Provides fantastic options for escalation, traps and all the things that make eve a great game (given the fact that taking the risk of bringing 3 carriers is justified by the rewards)
3 carriers is a pretty ridiculous number though considering that even some of the highest difficulty Null-Sec anoms don't require that much firepower. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6250
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Posted - 2014.05.22 16:54:00 -
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That, and three carriers are enough to draw hotdrops like flies-- especially given that this'll be at an anomaly and won't require even cursory scanning. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Aliventi
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
708
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Posted - 2014.05.22 16:57:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Feel free to test these sites, but the versions on sisi are not complete. The NPC balance in particular is not finished, as many of you may already suspect. Keep it this hard. We need more content that is challenging and can't be soloed. Join [FIGL] Flying Dangerous Today! |
Eli Hakomairos
Creeper Co. Forkoff
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Posted - 2014.05.22 17:37:00 -
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Aliventi wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Feel free to test these sites, but the versions on sisi are not complete. The NPC balance in particular is not finished, as many of you may already suspect. Keep it this hard. We need more content that is challenging and can't be soloed. I'm inclined to agree with this. |
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
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Posted - 2014.05.22 17:53:00 -
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You don't need three carriers. Hyperbole to the max. It requires a group and good DPS, yes. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.22 18:03:00 -
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If they are intended for three carriers... They should at least have to be scanned down. This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |
Arronicus
X-Prot Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.05.22 18:17:00 -
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Since when did carriers become 'super amazing dps'? Three carriers is not a large amount of dps required for something. By current numbers that's what, 1-1.5k dps per carrier? If CCP sticks with the current numbers, you'll be able to clear these sites with a group of 4-5 ishtars.
This is not cyno/hotdrop bait. This is not unreasonable. This is not excessive. This is a reasonable requirement to prevent a single player from coming in with a cloaky stratios or two and cleaning out any site with ease. Something that should help foster a little group play, and save sites for more social players. |
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MukkBarovian
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.05.22 18:23:00 -
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Site can be reliably completed with one carrier (archon), one cyno rapier (armor tanked with webs and TP), and one tracking dreadnought (we used a nag). I'm pretty sure this is the absolute minimum amount of people required to go into one off these. 2x caps + cyno ship. It may be possible for 2 highly skilled Thanatos to complete thus eliminating the need to siege, but I haven't tested that. In any case 1 carrier won't do it, the cyno ship is necessary, and if you don't bring at least 1 carrier you can't keep the rapier alive to web for the tracking dreadnought. The tracking dreadnought can't hit sometimes without the rapier.
This means that one good multiboxer can clear a site, or more reasonably 1 person pilots each cap and 1 of the two (probably the carrier) has a rapier alt. This means a two way split of whatever the goodies are. If these sites do indeed drop BPCs, and the cruiser sells for a relatively low 200mi,. each guy would get 100 mil for 5 minutes of work. But the risk is sky high. (Also there are minor fuel costs. If you stay in one near area with the capitals it might cost around 5 mil to got to a site. )
I've heard that 4 gank fit faction BS can clear a site. I don't know if they did it self rep or with a logi but lets assume self rep. That necessitates a 4 way split. While it is reasonable to expect a carrier to have a decently trained cyno alt, it is not reasonable to expect the average guy to multibox multiple battleships. So we really are talking about a 4 way split in most cases. Frankly, 4 faction BS won't stand a chance against a roaming gang. They're just as tackled until the thing ends as the capitals. And they're not much cheaper.
A 10 man fleet using relatively cheap ships should also be able to complete the site. This also means tiny shares.
I'm actually worried that people with noobships or unfit t1 frigates can go to a site, set off the timer and moonwalk out.
These mechanics seem to benefit people in isolated lowsec, and people with overwhelming firepower on call. These kinds of people do exist so I would not be surprised if supply wasn't terrible.That assumes that these sites are the source of the BPCs, and people aren't willing to suicide something cheap to destroy the site. It is also highly dependent on spawn rates. |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1872
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Posted - 2014.05.22 20:30:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:That, and three carriers are enough to draw hotdrops like flies-- especially given that this'll be at an anomaly and won't require even cursory scanning.
Carrier dps is not that high. Use high dps battleships instead.
Or two new rattlesnakes. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2937
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Posted - 2014.05.22 21:40:00 -
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Do these have some mechanic akin to capital escalations? EVE rule 1: Never undock anything you can't afford to lose. Rule 2: Never trust anyone in-game unless you are sleeping with them IRL. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
Andy Koraka
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.05.22 21:44:00 -
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I really like the idea of a high risk, high reward site that encourages people to put their capitals in space, which creates a lot of interesting gameplay situations like traps/hot drops.
My main concern would be scarcity since random FW frigates will warp in to pop the site with no intention of running it. Maybe set the site up so that it despawns and resets unless you clear the first wave |
Arronicus
X-Prot Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
985
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Posted - 2014.05.22 21:47:00 -
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MukkBarovian wrote:
These mechanics seem to benefit people in isolated lowsec, and people with overwhelming firepower on call. .
This is what I was thinking; some of the more established pirate corps should be able to warp a couple dreads, a vindicator, and an oneiros or something into a site, or some sort of small t3 ga |
Sven Viko VIkolander
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2014.05.22 22:00:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Feel free to test these sites, but the versions on sisi are not complete. The NPC balance in particular is not finished, as many of you may already suspect.
Mate, the balance is actually good. Seriously. Like others have said, we need more PVE stuff in EVE that is hard and takes group work--if only for the added risk. But please Lord Fozzie, I beg you, do not make these easy enough to solo in stealth bombers--or solo in any other cloaky ship for that matter. Enough of potentially good low sec content is wasted because it can be farmed in a ship like a stealth bomber with near zero risk.
Seriously, it would actually be great for low sec gameplay if these sites took either a carrier or two or a bigger group of people. |
Dispossible
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.05.22 22:34:00 -
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MukkBarovian wrote: If these sites do indeed drop BPCs, and the cruiser sells for a relatively low 200mi,. each guy would get 100 mil for 5 minutes of work. But the risk is sky high. (Also there are minor fuel costs. If you stay in one near area with the capitals it might cost around 5 mil to got to a site. )
Rise has stated that the new ship BPCs come from belt rats whilst Fozzie has posted that the new LG implants (worse than our current LGs) is part of "a new development in the saga of the pirate research efforts that take place at the Ghost sites." However difficult these sites are, the value of the loot will always be limited by the availability of MG and HG implants. |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1874
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Posted - 2014.05.23 00:52:00 -
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so far i have unsuccessfully attempted one of these sites. i was getting the first one down to armor when the guritas site whent blammo.
i am unsure if its a time based or ramdon (since ghost site) or based or repping the actual station.
so now i am attempting to figure out if the nestor actually has a use. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Rajeet Achmar
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2014.05.23 04:57:00 -
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Used carriers because I cant fly a Vindi :P
Thanny with 3k dps > phoon with 1000.
This is all fine and dandy making them hard, but its basically forcing people to have friends/corp/alliance to complete sites to earn their own ship loot, which is a completely ridiculous notion, you shouldn't force needing groups on people.
I do like that its actually difficult, but The timer needs to be longer or not exist, or you need to be able to at least take it out with 2 ships max, otherwise you fall into the trap of having every one of these sites getting dominated by pirate groups who will take all the loots while you sit and cry yourself to sleep you cant solo it in a 1200 dps hamgu. |
Cyran Reinhard
hashtag WARDEC
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Posted - 2014.05.23 05:31:00 -
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are these the Mordu's Special Warfare Unit rats? |
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