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lombodo
lombodo Corporation
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Posted - 2014.05.25 20:28:00 -
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Just a quick one,
If I copy a blueprint for T2 invention. What difference does it makes having just the default 1 run or setting the copy to have the max licensed runs like the original?
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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.25 20:34:00 -
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For modules you'll get that proportion between 1 and 10 runs on the T2 copy. It's usually 300 for most modules, giving you 10 runs in the final T2. For ships it's 1 run regardless I think, so you only need 1 run copies. I don't make ships so someone else will be able to confirm. |
lombodo
lombodo Corporation
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Posted - 2014.05.25 21:04:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:For modules you'll get that proportion between 1 and 10 runs on the T2 copy. It's usually 300 for most modules, giving you 10 runs in the final T2. For ships it's 1 run regardless I think, so you only need 1 run copies. I don't make ships so someone else will be able to confirm.
ak ok, just confirming so for modules - rule of thumb is if you want the max runs on the T2 then jsut use BPC's that have 300 runs, unless one feels like gambling? |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.05.25 21:31:00 -
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If your T1 BPC has XX% of max runs of the T1 BPO, you will get a T2 BPC that is XX% of (max runs / 10) of the T2 BPO.
The only time you don't want to use a max run BPO: when the max runs on the T2 BPO is 10 or less.
The only times you don't want to use max runs: * Ships larger than frigates (with a T2 BPO max run of 10 or less). * Rigs (which take a long time to copy, but this will be changing July 22nd)
To see a T2 BPO, just type the name in chat, highlight it (left-click and hold), and right-click auto-link it. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2014.05.26 06:59:00 -
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lombodo wrote:ak ok, just confirming so for modules - rule of thumb is if you want the max runs on the T2 then jsut use BPC's that have 300 runs, unless one feels like gambling?
No, and there's no gambling about it.
Modules, drones, ammo, you want max run BPCs (and it's not always 300) Rigs and ships, 1 run is sufficient as you get the same T2 BPC regardless of whether a 1 run or max run BPC was used
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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.26 09:53:00 -
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Thanks for this thread it cleared something up for me as well. But in my case I keep getting -4 -4 me and pe. Do I need to use decryptors for drones and ammo?
Cheers
(ps I just started my first t2 production) |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2014.05.26 11:13:00 -
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You'll always get -4, -4 without decryptors no matter what you're inventing. That has nothing to do with the max runs which you asked about.
Now, whether or not you want to use a decryptor is entirely another matter |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2014.05.26 11:46:00 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:Thanks for this thread it cleared something up for me as well. But in my case I keep getting -4 -4 me and pe. Do I need to use decryptors for drones and ammo?
Cheers
(ps I just started my first t2 production)
(bear in mind, this is all changing in Crius)
If you want better than -4,-4, yes, you have to use a decryptor.
However, decryptors come with a sometimes significant cost. With modules and ammo, it's generally not worth using.
Check the math with a calculator (such as the one on my site ) Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Quadpush
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.05.26 18:07:00 -
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Quote:Do I need to use decryptors for drones and ammo? Some ammo blueprints benefit from either "symmetry" or "accelerant" decryptors. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.05.26 19:06:00 -
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Example of "old school" manual method of calculating which decryptor to use: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1114937#post1114937
EDIT: Note that there do exist rig BPO with higher runs than currently available. |
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Che Hondo
1.FC Dodixie Fanclub Supporters Ultras
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Posted - 2014.05.26 23:29:00 -
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You may also wish to consider decryptor-created extra runs will increase production duration, so may better fit your daily online times. Also, extra % costs from decryptors are rounded down. They are sometimes cheaper than you may expect. |
Vovan Sotkin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.09 07:58:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:
(bear in mind, this is all changing in Crius)
Is there any changes for invention max run in Crius, besides the teams? Cant find more info on it. Thanks |
Owl Claw
Star League
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Posted - 2014.07.09 16:39:00 -
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I read that invention will only use up one run on a BPC and you will get max run on the 22nd can anyone confirm this?
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2014.07.09 16:57:00 -
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Owl Claw wrote:I read that invention will only use up one run on a BPC and you will get max run on the 22nd can anyone confirm this?
Correct.
you'll get 10 from modules/ammo/drones/everything else you get 10 from you'll get 1 from rigs and ships.
you'll use up 1 run from a blueprint copy (though the bpc will remain in use until the job completes) Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Owl Claw
Star League
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Posted - 2014.07.09 18:07:00 -
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In that case, Can you set it to do multiple invention? and will you get the discount for multiple invention? Like manufacturing. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2014.07.09 18:12:00 -
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No. One invention per job.
Bear in mind that invention and RE are getting a more comprehensive overhaul after Crius |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.07.10 15:48:00 -
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Yah. Each invention attempt will reduce the number of remaining runs on a T1 BPC by 1. So there is actually a benefit to using max-run BPCs to invent T2 rigs, in that you don't have to burn up all your research lines just making copies. Do it once and voila! Copies for life! (I exaggerate. But you get the point.)
Its really very time efficient, too. Because you will be able to do multiple consecutive runs off those BPCs, theoretically you can put all 10 BPCs into the cooker, and assuming you have the datacores and decryptors available, set them to run until they are all completely consumed. Come back in... what 4 months? Have ~1500 T2 BPCs waiting.
More realistically, I imagine folks will just set up a couple days worth of invention jobs.
That being said, your T2 rig BPCs will always be 1-run unless you use a +runs decryptor, which usually is not worth it due to the cost of materials. GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥ -Grath Telkin, 2014. |
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