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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:01:00 -
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I don't think you consider yourself a joke candidate. I think you believe yourself to be perfectly serious.
/Other/ people consider you a joke candidate
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2x79vb/reminder_vote_xenuria_to_punish_ccp_for_its_sins/ http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2x62k8/xenuria_flair/
https://eveskunk.com/e/347750898
(And no, Gorski doesn't think you can teleport. He was mocking you. As you were told repeatedly. And there's no e at the end of his name. )
Woo! CSM X!
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Xenuria
The Scope Gallente Federation
1012
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Posted - 2015.04.15 21:15:58 -
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Funny how you can tell somebody something over and over again without them getting it. For a person who claims to be "allergic to politics" you sure do use alot of influence stratagems (poorly) in effort to attack a perceived foe.
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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1883
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Posted - 2015.04.16 00:29:08 -
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Xenuria wrote:Funny how you can tell somebody something over and over again without them getting it. For a person who claims to be "allergic to politics" you sure do use alot of influence stratagems (poorly) in effort to attack a perceived foe. to turn that around, you use alot of victim stratagems to make yourself out as oppressed and virtuous, the sole savior from a status quo refusing to change (aside from all the times theyve voted on change)
not trying to attack you here, honest, just again informing you your responses come in 1 of two varieties, either changing/spinning your arguement to claim opposition secretly agrees with you and should love you, or anyone not agreeing with you is just an alt and a troll enforcing some spectre-like RMT cartel status quo |
Xenuria
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.16 05:19:52 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote: to turn that around, you use alot of victim stratagems to make yourself out as oppressed and virtuous, the sole savior from a status quo refusing to change (aside from all the times theyve voted on change)
not trying to attack you here, honest, just again informing you your responses come in 1 of two varieties, either changing/spinning your arguement to claim opposition secretly agrees with you and should love you, or anyone not agreeing with you is just an alt and a troll enforcing some spectre-like RMT cartel status quo
I like the flavor of your post. I don't see myself as a victim I see myself as a person who has been disenfranchised by the status quo. Your polarizing the argument. It's not Me Vs Them, nothing is ever that simple when people are involved.
It's more this..
I am a person who has views about things. People who are biased against me do mental gymnastics to rationalize away their dissonance when they find themselves agreeing with me.
I am imperfect just like everybody else in this world, but I am consistent. My "Narrative" if you can call it that has remained unchanged since day 1. You can call it a trope or a theme or even a genre but all that matters is that you can understand the story. If you can understand a persons narrative than you can parse their intentions without them telling you anything.
tl;dr I am an honest person in the middle of a Machiavellian space opera.
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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1883
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Posted - 2015.04.16 07:17:16 -
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Xenuria wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote: to turn that around, you use alot of victim stratagems to make yourself out as oppressed and virtuous, the sole savior from a status quo refusing to change (aside from all the times theyve voted on change)
not trying to attack you here, honest, just again informing you your responses come in 1 of two varieties, either changing/spinning your arguement to claim opposition secretly agrees with you and should love you, or anyone not agreeing with you is just an alt and a troll enforcing some spectre-like RMT cartel status quo
I like the flavor of your post. I don't see myself as a victim I see myself as a person who has been disenfranchised by the status quo. Your polarizing the argument. It's not Me Vs Them, nothing is ever that simple when people are involved. It's more this.. I am a person who has views about things. People who are biased against me do mental gymnastics to rationalize away their dissonance when they find themselves agreeing with me. I am imperfect just like everybody else in this world, but I am consistent. My "Narrative" if you can call it that has remained unchanged since day 1. You can call it a trope or a theme or even a genre but all that matters is that you can understand the story. If you can understand a persons narrative than you can parse their intentions without them telling you anything. tl;dr I am an honest person in the middle of a Machiavellian space opera. okay, this may SERIOUSLY come across as a little attack-ish, but it IS an honest question
How is what you just described NOT admitting you are a self-inflicted pariah with a messiah complex? |
Xenuria
The Scope Gallente Federation
1012
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Posted - 2015.04.16 12:48:28 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Xenuria wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote: to turn that around, you use alot of victim stratagems to make yourself out as oppressed and virtuous, the sole savior from a status quo refusing to change (aside from all the times theyve voted on change)
not trying to attack you here, honest, just again informing you your responses come in 1 of two varieties, either changing/spinning your arguement to claim opposition secretly agrees with you and should love you, or anyone not agreeing with you is just an alt and a troll enforcing some spectre-like RMT cartel status quo
I like the flavor of your post. I don't see myself as a victim I see myself as a person who has been disenfranchised by the status quo. Your polarizing the argument. It's not Me Vs Them, nothing is ever that simple when people are involved. It's more this.. I am a person who has views about things. People who are biased against me do mental gymnastics to rationalize away their dissonance when they find themselves agreeing with me. I am imperfect just like everybody else in this world, but I am consistent. My "Narrative" if you can call it that has remained unchanged since day 1. You can call it a trope or a theme or even a genre but all that matters is that you can understand the story. If you can understand a persons narrative than you can parse their intentions without them telling you anything. tl;dr I am an honest person in the middle of a Machiavellian space opera. okay, this may SERIOUSLY come across as a little attack-ish, but it IS an honest question How is what you just described NOT admitting you are a self-inflicted pariah with a messiah complex?
I am a self inflicted pariah with a messiah complex. The disagreement is in what self inflicted means in this context. My honesty and commitment to the things that I feel are important can and often does polarize people.
Self inflicted implies spite or clumsiness, this is not the case. I choose to be honest and unyielding in my values, this choice makes me a pariah.
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Lauresh Thellere
Discipuli Diaboli
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:28:29 -
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Xenuria wrote: My honesty and commitment to the things that I feel are important can and often does polarize people.
I think you overestimate your charisma. The vast majority of your votes in CSM 10 were troll votes, they didn't actually believe in you or your policies and you've never provided any evidence to support your bold claims of who votes for you (I'll give you a hint, it's nowhere near 90% of all females in game).
You could be a decent candidate but your insistence on making unsubstantiated claims as well as attacking anyone who questions you and that's bad for politicians as you need to have a silver tounge. |
Xenuria
Fight The Blob
1012
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Posted - 2015.04.16 20:32:55 -
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Lauresh Thellere wrote:Xenuria wrote: My honesty and commitment to the things that I feel are important can and often does polarize people.
I think you overestimate your charisma. The vast majority of your votes in CSM 10 were troll votes, they didn't actually believe in you or your policies and you've never provided any evidence to support your bold claims of who votes for you (I'll give you a hint, it's nowhere near 90% of all females in game). You could be a decent candidate but your insistence on making unsubstantiated claims as well as attacking anyone who questions you and that's bad for politicians as you need to have a silver tounge. I don't attack people who question me, I attack their arguments or their motives for their question.
Many of my votes were troll votes, I don't think anybody has disputed that. Most power blocs vote for whoever the alliance mail tells them too. How is that any better than troll voting?
Pro Tip: It isn't.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.17 01:15:21 -
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Xenuria wrote:Lauresh Thellere wrote:Xenuria wrote: My honesty and commitment to the things that I feel are important can and often does polarize people.
I think you overestimate your charisma. The vast majority of your votes in CSM 10 were troll votes, they didn't actually believe in you or your policies and you've never provided any evidence to support your bold claims of who votes for you (I'll give you a hint, it's nowhere near 90% of all females in game). You could be a decent candidate but your insistence on making unsubstantiated claims as well as attacking anyone who questions you and that's bad for politicians as you need to have a silver tounge. I don't attack people who question me, I attack their arguments or their motives for their question. Many of my votes were troll votes, I don't think anybody has disputed that. Most power blocs vote for whoever the alliance mail tells them too. How is that any better than troll voting? Pro Tip: It isn't.
I can't speak for everyone else, but I used the CFC ballot template & removed the people I don't like from the list. Space Democracy.
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Xenuria
Fight The Blob
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Posted - 2015.04.17 01:18:22 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Xenuria wrote:Lauresh Thellere wrote:Xenuria wrote: My honesty and commitment to the things that I feel are important can and often does polarize people.
I think you overestimate your charisma. The vast majority of your votes in CSM 10 were troll votes, they didn't actually believe in you or your policies and you've never provided any evidence to support your bold claims of who votes for you (I'll give you a hint, it's nowhere near 90% of all females in game). You could be a decent candidate but your insistence on making unsubstantiated claims as well as attacking anyone who questions you and that's bad for politicians as you need to have a silver tounge. I don't attack people who question me, I attack their arguments or their motives for their question. Many of my votes were troll votes, I don't think anybody has disputed that. Most power blocs vote for whoever the alliance mail tells them too. How is that any better than troll voting? Pro Tip: It isn't. I can't speak for everyone else, but I used the CFC ballot template & removed the people I don't like from the list. Space Democracy.
There are exceptions to ever rule or norm. I would prefer a community that sees the pre filled ballots as a suggestion and not some word on high as to how you should vote. I talked to many people at fanfest who said a variation of "I just voted for whoever my alliances voted for" when I asked if they voted for me.
Most of them didn't really understand what the CSM was outside the context that they had to click a link and press submit.
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Dradis Aulmais
Jump On Contact Sock Puppet Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.17 02:26:03 -
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This thread is tragic but I can't seem to stop following it. I think someone has me drugged.
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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1887
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Posted - 2015.04.17 03:06:20 -
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Xenuria wrote:Lauresh Thellere wrote:Xenuria wrote: My honesty and commitment to the things that I feel are important can and often does polarize people.
I think you overestimate your charisma. The vast majority of your votes in CSM 10 were troll votes, they didn't actually believe in you or your policies and you've never provided any evidence to support your bold claims of who votes for you (I'll give you a hint, it's nowhere near 90% of all females in game). You could be a decent candidate but your insistence on making unsubstantiated claims as well as attacking anyone who questions you and that's bad for politicians as you need to have a silver tounge. I don't attack people who question me, I attack their arguments or their motives for their question. Many of my votes were troll votes, I don't think anybody has disputed that. Most power blocs vote for whoever the alliance mail tells them too. How is that any better than troll voting? Pro Tip: It isn't. right, but you jump immediately to paranoid measures of questioning the motives and secret agendas of anyone who disagrees with you, simply so you dont have to answer the questions of anyone who doesnt already support you. you dont win arguements, and thereby votes, you instead reason that anybody who doesnt agree with you 100% is part of some status quo seeking conspiracy and isnt worth discussing with. |
Xenuria
Fight The Blob
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Posted - 2015.04.17 03:29:03 -
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Those are you words not mine. I don't agree with that statement either. The status quo is not some grand conspiracy, it's the result of social norms and associated stratification.
Psychology != Conspiracy
I think this is where people get me mixed up. Your speaking in absolutes, I try to avoid absolutes which is why you might see me as evading questions. In reality I simply don't feel comfortable answering something at a level of detail in which I can't be certain of its truth. It's a weakness that I have and I agree that part of me lacking sufficient theory of mind leads to misunderstanding.
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Lauresh Thellere
Discipuli Diaboli
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Posted - 2015.04.17 07:59:43 -
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Xenuria wrote: I don't attack people who question me, I attack their arguments or their motives for their question.
Many of my votes were troll votes, I don't think anybody has disputed that. Most power blocs vote for whoever the alliance mail tells them too. How is that any better than troll voting?
Pro Tip: It isn't.
I respectfully disagree, you have on numerous occasions called people trolls simply because they put questions in front of you that you didn't want to answer and this includes me personally. You called me a troll simply because I asked questions about your past history.
And I think your tinfoil is showing with the alliance voting, the alliance puts out a recommended voting ballot, I will agree that a number of people would blindly vote what they're told to but if you think that people don't have a mind for themselves then you have a lower opinion of the community as a whole than I expected. |
Xenuria
Fight The Blob
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Posted - 2015.04.17 15:41:28 -
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Lauresh Thellere wrote:Xenuria wrote: I don't attack people who question me, I attack their arguments or their motives for their question.
Many of my votes were troll votes, I don't think anybody has disputed that. Most power blocs vote for whoever the alliance mail tells them too. How is that any better than troll voting?
Pro Tip: It isn't.
I respectfully disagree, you have on numerous occasions called people trolls simply because they put questions in front of you that you didn't want to answer and this includes me personally. You called me a troll simply because I asked questions about your past history. And I think your tinfoil is showing with the alliance voting, the alliance puts out a recommended voting ballot, I will agree that a number of people would blindly vote what they're told to but if you think that people don't have a mind for themselves then you have a lower opinion of the community as a whole than I expected.
Assumptions dude... You make alot of them.
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Lauresh Thellere
Discipuli Diaboli
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Posted - 2015.04.17 17:37:09 -
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Xenuria wrote:Lauresh Thellere wrote:Xenuria wrote: I don't attack people who question me, I attack their arguments or their motives for their question.
Many of my votes were troll votes, I don't think anybody has disputed that. Most power blocs vote for whoever the alliance mail tells them too. How is that any better than troll voting?
Pro Tip: It isn't.
I respectfully disagree, you have on numerous occasions called people trolls simply because they put questions in front of you that you didn't want to answer and this includes me personally. You called me a troll simply because I asked questions about your past history. And I think your tinfoil is showing with the alliance voting, the alliance puts out a recommended voting ballot, I will agree that a number of people would blindly vote what they're told to but if you think that people don't have a mind for themselves then you have a lower opinion of the community as a whole than I expected. Assumptions dude... You make alot of them. argumentum ad ignorantiam You can't know what goes on inside every single alliance in game, only CCP can know that. CCP decided it was significant enough to make a flavor item to poke fun of Pre filled CSM ballots.
Ironic statement is ironic. Your entire platform revolves around assumptions. |
Xenuria
The Scope Gallente Federation
1012
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Posted - 2015.04.19 03:22:04 -
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Well duh... I have never been on the CSM so assumptions have to be made.
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Lauresh Thellere
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Posted - 2015.04.20 13:50:09 -
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Xenuria wrote:Well duh... I have never been on the CSM so assumptions have to be made.
If your platform requires assumptions to be made then you should probably refine it, for example Bam Stroker's platform was to support the community, player meets and the like which requires no assumptions at all, even Tora Bushido's platform of fixing wardecs the only assumption that he's made is that CCP will even care what he has to say on the topic.
You've made claims with little to no evidence in both CSM 10 and CSM 11 (and there's not even an election for CSM 11 coming up) and when called out to provide evidence to support your claims you call people trolls for asking or state that you've already provided the evidence when none exists.
I know I've said this before but when almost the entirety of the people voting for you are doing so as a joke then you should probably take some time OUT of the spotlight to repair your reputation and spend some time actually getting to know the community. |
Xenuria
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1012
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Posted - 2015.04.20 15:07:16 -
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Lauresh Thellere wrote:Xenuria wrote:Well duh... I have never been on the CSM so assumptions have to be made. If your platform requires assumptions to be made then you should probably refine it, for example Bam Stroker's platform was to support the community, player meets and the like which requires no assumptions at all, even Tora Bushido's platform of fixing wardecs the only assumption that he's made is that CCP will even care what he has to say on the topic. You've made claims with little to no evidence in both CSM 10 and CSM 11 (and there's not even an election for CSM 11 coming up) and when called out to provide evidence to support your claims you call people trolls for asking or state that you've already provided the evidence when none exists. I know I've said this before but when almost the entirety of the people voting for you are doing so as a joke then you should probably take some time OUT of the spotlight to repair your reputation and spend some time actually getting to know the community. my platform isn't perfect and neither is my skill at politics.
That said, my reputation is not what needs repair. I have consistently been vindicated of all accusations and scandals. I am not concerned by the kangaroo courts of internet trolls.
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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.20 15:33:10 -
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Xenuria wrote:Lauresh Thellere wrote:Xenuria wrote:Well duh... I have never been on the CSM so assumptions have to be made. If your platform requires assumptions to be made then you should probably refine it, for example Bam Stroker's platform was to support the community, player meets and the like which requires no assumptions at all, even Tora Bushido's platform of fixing wardecs the only assumption that he's made is that CCP will even care what he has to say on the topic. You've made claims with little to no evidence in both CSM 10 and CSM 11 (and there's not even an election for CSM 11 coming up) and when called out to provide evidence to support your claims you call people trolls for asking or state that you've already provided the evidence when none exists. I know I've said this before but when almost the entirety of the people voting for you are doing so as a joke then you should probably take some time OUT of the spotlight to repair your reputation and spend some time actually getting to know the community. my platform isn't perfect and neither is my skill at politics. That said, my reputation is not what needs repair. I have consistently been vindicated of all accusations and scandals. I am not concerned by the kangaroo courts of internet trolls. Your reputation IS what needs repair.
Whether you were vindicated or not, when your brought up in conversation, people either have no clue who you are, or they know you as a troll who posts weird ideas on the old forums.
You have little to zero community involvement, and no community relation. That is why you have little chance fo ebing elected as anything but a scapegoat or as a troll to CCP.
If you are serious about CSM, and are serious about helping the playerbase. Then before anything you need to be involved with the forums, and involved with the ingame communities. You have to become an enabler, have people know you for how you have helped them. Be somebody the game would be lesser for if you left. Because right now, if you left no one would notice.
You keep complaining that the voting system is broken because bloc leaders keep getting elected, or if not them their choices. This isnt broken, this is you again have a disconnection with the playerbase. These individuals worked to become leaders and enablers, names that everyone knows as soon as they hear them, there are VERY few people in EVE who have been here 2 months who would need an explanation of who The Mittani, or Chribba, or Shadoo is, because those are well known names who have made possible well known events. This is why they and their supported runners get elected, because between the people who rely on them for leadership, and the people outside their community who generally respect their accomplishments, people want to listen to what they have to say.
As much as I hate the concept of politicians ingame or the real world, they are usually sketchy people at best, it is very much a requirement to be one to approach CSM candidacy, and if you are not prepared to be one, and to operate both ingame and out of game in a manner to improve your relations with the greater community, then you have already lost no matter how early you start your CSM campaign. |
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Xenuria
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1012
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Posted - 2015.04.20 17:11:57 -
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I refuse to accept being sketchy as a requirement for being a space politician. My relations with this community are better now than they ever were. I am empowered by my honesty not weakened by it. If you have been posting in my thread this long and you still don't get it than maybe you should bow out.
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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.20 19:03:25 -
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Xenuria wrote:I refuse to accept being sketchy as a requirement for being a space politician. My relations with this community are better now than they ever were. I am empowered by my honesty not weakened by it. If you have been posting in my thread this long and you still don't get it than maybe you should bow out. If all you got out of that is that most politicians are sketchy, its no wonder people dont elect you.
yes, your reputation is "better" than it used to be, how so? youve gone from being infamous to being unknown. Just having your rep "higher than ever" does not mean its in a good place, you still have minimal involvement with the playerbase and forum community, that is an issue you need to address if you want your new campaign to succeed. |
Lauresh Thellere
Discipuli Diaboli
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Posted - 2015.04.20 20:18:17 -
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It doesn't matter whether you were vindicated or not, you have a bad repuation in the community and frankly your CSM threads have done more damage than good. Using the phrase kangaroo court doesn't automatically change peoples opinions of you, you need to work at that yourself.
I'm not attacking you nor do I particularly care about incidents in your past but others do and that's what matters. What I see as a concern is the fact that you had your CSM 11 thread up hours after losing CSM 10, you refused to discuss difficult subjects with people in your CSM 10 thread, you have shown a pretty blatant hostility towards the community and you seem to spend minimal time talking to people in EVE getting your name out there and getting a feel for what people want to see in game. The community are who votes for you and who you are there to represent (not to represent your self serving ideas) yet you seem to want to avoid them.
(P.S. calling CCP liars due to not sharing your concern for a design element of the game is probably not a good way to make friends either) |
Xenuria
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1012
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Posted - 2015.04.20 23:44:41 -
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Lauresh Thellere wrote:It doesn't matter whether you were vindicated or not, you have a bad repuation in the community and frankly your CSM threads have done more damage than good. Using the phrase kangaroo court doesn't automatically change peoples opinions of you, you need to work at that yourself.
I'm not attacking you nor do I particularly care about incidents in your past but others do and that's what matters. What I see as a concern is the fact that you had your CSM 11 thread up hours after losing CSM 10, you refused to discuss difficult subjects with people in your CSM 10 thread, you have shown a pretty blatant hostility towards the community and you seem to spend minimal time talking to people in EVE getting your name out there and getting a feel for what people want to see in game. The community are who votes for you and who you are there to represent (not to represent your self serving ideas) yet you seem to want to avoid them.
(P.S. calling CCP liars due to not sharing your concern for a design element of the game is probably not a good way to make friends either)
I appreciate your point of view but I simply don't share it. You seem to have trouble internalizing that.
I am not running on my reputation, I am running on my values. This does arguably weaken me as a candidate but its also what sets me apart from the mainstream candidates who garner many votes on popularity alone.
Nariya Kentaya wrote: If all you got out of that is that most politicians are sketchy, its no wonder people dont elect you.
yes, your reputation is "better" than it used to be, how so? youve gone from being infamous to being unknown. Just having your rep "higher than ever" does not mean its in a good place, you still have minimal involvement with the playerbase and forum community, that is an issue you need to address if you want your new campaign to succeed.
Ok, I'll bite. How do you figure I have a "Minimal involvement" with the playerbase and forum community?
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