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Crixus Niminen
Avant Garde Industries Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2014.05.25 21:46:00 -
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... finding a corp that suits me is harder then the game itself.
Im a fairly new player and I'm jumping from corp to corp, ruining my employment history trying to find a place where I could have some fun.
Problems: 1."Yeah we are super active" - 2 player online all day 2."We are super social" - teamspeak is dead 3."Yeah we are EU tz" - they wait for the us comrades to join and then the ops takes place 4."Yeah we do pvp fleets everyday" - nothing is happening
This is my first MMO so maybe I dont know how "guilds" actually look like, but if your corp has 4 active members please dont tell me 10-15. Free teamspeak for corps, 84.200.78.40:9998 pass: blr . Msg me for more info or look for [Admin] zaibitsu in the TS. |
Dominus Tempus
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
59
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Posted - 2014.05.25 21:50:00 -
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Cool story. Needs more fedo.
If you want active, join FW, RvB, EveUni, or other blob alliances. |
Jack Morrison
Sinister Spinster Advent of Fate
137
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Posted - 2014.05.25 21:53:00 -
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Dominus Tempus wrote:Cool story. Needs more fedo.
If you want active, join FW, RvB, EveUni, or other blob alliances.
Like Brave Newbies ? "This is nothing more than a rumor with no basis of fact. Hope that's enough of a confirmation for you guys. :)" Coolstorybro |
Prince Sanguine
127
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Posted - 2014.05.25 21:54:00 -
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Most corps offering those things don't tend to take in new players aka spais. I wouldn't. Everytime you read this you are required to send 100 million isk directly to me. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1560
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Posted - 2014.05.25 21:56:00 -
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Crixus Niminen wrote: This is my first MMO.
Whelp, you pretty much ruind the genre for yourself, literally the only interesting one available.
Don't worry, keep at it, you will find a group in your timezone interesting enough, just takes time. Failing that, bring friends into eve, stat your own. "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6519
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Posted - 2014.05.25 21:56:00 -
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Prince Sanguine wrote:Most corps offering those things don't tend to take in new players aka spais. I wouldn't.
But when the spai is bad enough to post about it in GD? Where's the harm? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Marsha Mallow
742
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Posted - 2014.05.25 21:59:00 -
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Before anyone comes in and smacks you - you aren't wrong.
Most corps are rubbish. On one hand tbf to them it shouldn't have to be a second job and the 'leadership roles' attract people who fail IRL to communicate. On the other they just want grunts for the sake of it. Choose carefully, we can't tell you what to pick.
Talk to people you like and recruit/mentor yourself - it's more about banter than anyone realises. Anyone can create a private chat channel. If your corp obstruct your recruitment (and you're good at it) roll your own corp.
Join every channel you can, keep in touch with people who amuse you in local/forums (and kill you).
That TZ thing you can plug yourself, my peronal fav ppl ingame are way off tz for me, but makes no difference.
gl :) TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Marsha Mallow
742
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:01:00 -
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Dominus Tempus wrote:Cool story. Needs more fedo.
If you want active, join FW, RvB, EveUni, or other blob alliances. Don't ***** about shitposting then reply like this. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Zack Korth
Livid CO.
304
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:02:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Crixus Niminen wrote: This is my first MMO.
Whelp, you pretty much ruind the genre for yourself, literally the only interesting one available.
lol that's actually true |
Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
976
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:02:00 -
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Crixus Niminen wrote:4."Yeah we do pvp fleets everyday" - nothing is happening
Always check the corp's killboard for recent activity.
Crixus Niminen wrote:This is my first MMO so maybe I dont know how "guilds" actually look like, but if your corp has 4 active members please dont tell me 10-15.
Look for corps that advertise having 50-60 active members, and you might get closer to the tight-knit group of 10-15 you're looking for. My lord. |
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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
643
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:06:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Prince Sanguine wrote:Most corps offering those things don't tend to take in new players aka spais. I wouldn't. But when the spai is bad enough to post about it in GD? Where's the harm?
Triple bluff. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22196
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:07:00 -
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Welcome to EVE.
You have indeed stumbled over the largest problems new players face in this game. Unfortunately, there is little advice to be had in this area other than GÇ£keep at itGÇ¥. There are some proper institutions that will pick up new players and let them run wild, but a huge amount of corps are what you have just described: a fancy outward image with nothing behind it (except maybe some corp taxes that you won't get back).
Don't worry about your corp history. Any proper corp will understand that it takes a couple of tries to get it right. In fact, most proper corps will probably be something of the opposite of what you've come across: nothing fancy to inflate their purported exploits, but rather just some basic contact info. Look for those instead. One thing to remember here is that some of them will require some kind of pseudo-interview to get in GÇö remember that the interview goes both ways. You need to figure out if they're a good fit for you just as much as they need to figure out if you're a good fit for them.
A slightly more counter-intuitive way to find a corp is to remember that failure is both an option and not optional: there are plenty of stories about players who have gone into low to get blown up over and over and then end up being recruited into the corp that shot at them because they've demonstrated the kind of determination and spunk that the corp likes to see. It's hardly a guarantee, but it is a way to start communicating with other players and make that first problematic connection. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Riyria Twinpeaks
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
1966
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:11:00 -
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I can't give you a lot of hints, I'm afraid, as I got pretty lucky. I was reading the recruitment forum and found a thread which expressed an attitude I really liked, and, lucky me, they also take in newbies. I got in touch with them, first via eve mail then in their public chat channel, and shortly after I joined and I like it :)
So, while I can't give you good advice like others here, maybe you can take this as an encouragement :) |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1561
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:31:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Prince Sanguine wrote:Most corps offering those things don't tend to take in new players aka spais. I wouldn't. But when the spai is bad enough to post about it in GD? Where's the harm? Triple bluff. Quad bluff! Static portraits make for excellent poker faces . "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |
Winchester Steele
1166
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:32:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Dominus Tempus wrote:Cool story. Needs more fedo.
If you want active, join FW, RvB, EveUni, or other blob alliances. Don't ***** about shitposting then reply like this.
Ya know. ... |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1562
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Posted - 2014.05.25 23:00:00 -
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Upon actually reading all of tipas post, /thread
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
1560
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Posted - 2014.05.26 02:10:00 -
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A lot of advice already given but I would like to point you towards this guide that will talk you trough everything from where to look, background check and what to avoid.
Keep looking and good luck Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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ISD Supogo
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
142
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Posted - 2014.05.26 02:15:00 -
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Shop around the corp recruitment board here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=265 Usually you'll find some good starting info there, then talk with their recruiters in-game or on TS or however they do it. As others have mentioned it takes a few times. I went through 2 corps before finding a 3rd one that I enjoy, and on top of that even the corp switched alliances due to being upset about how that was being handled. Corps are a fluid thing, and it can take time to find that fit. Once you do though, it's golden. ISD Supogo Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Sibyyl
Brave Collective
1270
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Posted - 2014.05.26 02:50:00 -
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OP, I agree. Going by word of mouth, or browsing through a forum full of ads (and subsequent hate posts, or complete utter lack of followup posts by other people) is not a good way to find people you can have fun with.
I'd go tell you to join Dom's corp, but that would be a bit self serving.
Maybe some tips I can offer you:
- Look on reddit (/r/Eve, /r/Evenewbies, /r/Evejobs), though reddit is infested mostly by Brave and TEST (it's a friendly infestation)
- Look in the corp forum as ISD Supogoisawesome linked
- Join the "community" channels to get more of a sense of corporations (E-UNI, the various shield and armor incursion channels like "The Valhalla Project" or "The Ditanian Fleet", some of the channels under the "Trade" category)
- Some of the NPC corps are chattier than others. Often there are alts who will chat about corps their main is on and why (without intending to recruit)
- Look at the alliances of the well known corps (ie: Look at Brave Collective instead of Brave Newbies).. Alliances contain some smaller lesser known, tight-knit corps with wonderful cultures
- Ignore corps which advertise for both PVE and PVP. Largely these are corps that haven't figured out their niche in EVE
- Ignore PVE corps in Hisec. I mean why bother doing buyback in a place where you can easily haul your own ore and sell it?
- Don't visit the Recruitment chat channel. It is a spam-fest and conveys no useful information
- If you want to join a Mercenary corp, look for their "peacocking" threads in Crime & Punishment. Noir., SYJ and others have some lively discussions..
Travel to exotic solar systems, meet interesting and stimulating people of an ancient culture, and strip ore from their ship hulls. Join BOVRL. Blood Miners take SOV.-á |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
501
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Posted - 2014.05.26 02:54:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Before anyone comes in and smacks you - you aren't wrong.
Most corps are rubbish. On one hand tbf to them it shouldn't have to be a second job and the 'leadership roles' attract people who fail IRL to communicate. On the other they just want grunts for the sake of it. Choose carefully, we can't tell you what to pick.
Talk to people you like and recruit/mentor yourself - it's more about banter than anyone realises. Anyone can create a private chat channel. If your corp obstruct your recruitment (and you're good at it) roll your own corp.
Join every channel you can, keep in touch with people who amuse you in local/forums (and kill you).
That TZ thing you can plug yourself, my peronal fav ppl ingame are way off tz for me, but makes no difference.
gl :)
This pretty much. The flip side is that most corps that are worth a damn are going to be super cautious of you, because spies and corp thieves. Your best bet is to network with friends in game, hang out with people and get a feel for what the corp is like. I hate to say it, but as the new guy expect to do a lot of grunt work at first regardless. The first corp I joined made you mine your own first battleship before they let you PvP so you understood the real value of that ship. (Took me two weeks with t1 mining lasers and some harvies)
(STK Scientific blew up that one)
But basically yeah, talk to people, get a feel for the corp. |
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Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
254
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Posted - 2014.05.26 05:05:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
This pretty much. The flip side is that most corps that are worth a damn are going to be super cautious of you, because spies and corp thieves. Your best bet is to network with friends in game, hang out with people and get a feel for what the corp is like. I hate to say it, but as the new guy expect to do a lot of grunt work at first regardless. The first corp I joined made you mine your own first battleship before they let you PvP so you understood the real value of that ship. (Took me two weeks with t1 mining lasers and some harvies)
(STK Scientific blew up that one)
But basically yeah, talk to people, get a feel for the corp.
Oh holy balls, what a terrible thing to do to a newbie.
You know what the value of a ship is? However much it hurts for you to lose it.
I mean, that entire lesson pointless if you just don't mine. You can find a battleship in a day or two of running level 4s or doing just about any other isk-making activity.
OP, don't join a corp that basically tells you "You must suffer for X days before we'll let you have fun." "EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler |
Captain Finklestein
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2014.05.26 05:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Welcome to EVE. You have indeed stumbled over the largest problems new players face in this game. Unfortunately, there is little advice to be had in this area other than GÇ£keep at itGÇ¥. There are some proper institutions that will pick up new players and let them run wild, but a huge amount of corps are what you have just described: a fancy outward image with nothing behind it (except maybe some corp taxes that you won't get back). Don't worry about your corp history. Any proper corp will understand that it takes a couple of tries to get it right. In fact, most proper corps will probably be something of the opposite of what you've come across: nothing fancy to inflate their purported exploits, but rather just some basic contact info. Look for those instead. One thing to remember here is that some of them will require some kind of pseudo-interview to get in GÇö remember that the interview goes both ways. You need to figure out if they're a good fit for you just as much as they need to figure out if you're a good fit for them. A slightly more counter-intuitive way to find a corp is to remember that failure is both an option and not optional: there are plenty of stories about players who have gone into lowsec to get blown up over and over, and who have then ended up being recruited into the corp that shot at them. After all, they've demonstrated the kind of determination and spunk that the corp likes to see. It's hardly a guarantee, but it is a way to start communicating with other players and make that first problematic connection. What is thi.... do my eyes deceive me? Is this really a post by Tippia that is both helpful and polite?
*pinches self* *pinches self harder*
Holy crap, it's real! It's just more financially viable for me. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
503
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Posted - 2014.05.26 17:04:00 -
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Galen Darksmith wrote:
Oh holy balls, what a terrible thing to do to a newbie.
You know what the value of a ship is? However much it hurts for you to lose it.
That was sort of the lesson.
This was back in the days that ships really were not for sale in most of low sec and not at all in null, and of they were they were a 200% markup at least if you found them. So the corp had to provide ships if they were lost (because none of us could afford Battleship bpos on our own). This meant the logistics wing had to do all the mining etc to keep the pvpers in ships, or make the run through Gonditsa from Yulai to buy them. And there was always fighting going on. This was the big buildup in Aridia right before the BoB/FA war. |
Winchester Steele
1173
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Posted - 2014.05.26 17:53:00 -
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Captain Finklestein wrote:Tippia wrote:Welcome to EVE. You have indeed stumbled over the largest problems new players face in this game. Unfortunately, there is little advice to be had in this area other than GÇ£keep at itGÇ¥. There are some proper institutions that will pick up new players and let them run wild, but a huge amount of corps are what you have just described: a fancy outward image with nothing behind it (except maybe some corp taxes that you won't get back). Don't worry about your corp history. Any proper corp will understand that it takes a couple of tries to get it right. In fact, most proper corps will probably be something of the opposite of what you've come across: nothing fancy to inflate their purported exploits, but rather just some basic contact info. Look for those instead. One thing to remember here is that some of them will require some kind of pseudo-interview to get in GÇö remember that the interview goes both ways. You need to figure out if they're a good fit for you just as much as they need to figure out if you're a good fit for them. A slightly more counter-intuitive way to find a corp is to remember that failure is both an option and not optional: there are plenty of stories about players who have gone into lowsec to get blown up over and over, and who have then ended up being recruited into the corp that shot at them. After all, they've demonstrated the kind of determination and spunk that the corp likes to see. It's hardly a guarantee, but it is a way to start communicating with other players and make that first problematic connection. What is thi.... do my eyes deceive me? Is this really a post by Tippia that is both helpful and polite? *pinches self* *pinches self harder* Holy crap, it's real!
Hey DE. Did your other troll alt get permabanned or something?
Just for the record, Tippia was an INSANELY useful resource for me as a new player back in the day. Never found him to be anything but helpful and polite. Someone from CCP should pay the guy for telling it like it is.
You on the other hand. . . ... |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18442
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Posted - 2014.05.26 19:36:00 -
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Zack Korth wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Crixus Niminen wrote: This is my first MMO.
Whelp, you pretty much ruind the genre for yourself, literally the only interesting one available. lol that's actually true Tell me about it, Eve was my first, haven't found another that can hold my attention for more than a couple of months.
Nil mortifi sine lucre Never go full Ripard |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1577
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Posted - 2014.05.26 19:58:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Zack Korth wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Crixus Niminen wrote: This is my first MMO.
Whelp, you pretty much ruind the genre for yourself, literally the only interesting one available. lol that's actually true Tell me about it, Eve was my first, haven't found another that can hold my attention for more than a couple of months. lucky sob, I get a couple of day's , maby a week if it's good. "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |
Winchester Steele
1176
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Posted - 2014.05.26 20:37:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Zack Korth wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Crixus Niminen wrote: This is my first MMO.
Whelp, you pretty much ruind the genre for yourself, literally the only interesting one available. lol that's actually true Tell me about it, Eve was my first, haven't found another that can hold my attention for more than a couple of months.
Don't get me wrong. I love Eve. But one of the issues, for me at least, is the lack of quality sci-fi/spaceship mmo's out there to compare it to (vapourware doesn't count lol.) Currently Eve is in a league of it's own in that regard.
Edit: i loathe high fantasy of any type, which eliminates 99% of the mmo market for me. ... |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
641
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Posted - 2014.05.26 23:28:00 -
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Crixus Niminen wrote: Problems: 1."Yeah we are super active" - 2 player online all day 2."We are super social" - teamspeak is dead 3."Yeah we are EU tz" - they wait for the us comrades to join and then the ops takes place 4."Yeah we do pvp fleets everyday" - nothing is happening
Killboards don't lie. When you're checking out a few corps for PVP, check their recent kill history to find out what times they really fly and how often.
-// Public Fleets: http://fleet-up.com/Operation/Public //- |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2368
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Posted - 2014.05.26 23:37:00 -
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Crixus Niminen wrote:... finding a corp that suits me is harder then the game itself.
Im a fairly new player and I'm jumping from corp to corp, ruining my employment history trying to find a place where I could have some fun.
Problems: 1."Yeah we are super active" - 2 player online all day 2."We are super social" - teamspeak is dead 3."Yeah we are EU tz" - they wait for the us comrades to join and then the ops takes place 4."Yeah we do pvp fleets everyday" - nothing is happening
This is my first MMO so maybe I dont know how "guilds" actually look like, but if your corp has 4 active members please dont tell me 10-15.
Whatever number of corp mates the info has divide that by 2 just to get a starting figure. Everyone has alts so the corp numbers are automatically misleading. If the corp is a few months old, its already got inactive players. So you gotta just kind of factor off the remaining members with a wild guess.
If a corp advertises as being active in all timezones, and in all areas of space (hisec, lowsec, nullsec, wormholes), then they are active only in 1 TZ and only in hisec, and most of their members have probably quit Eve already.
I like to shoot things, so the only thing that is important to me is their killboard. Doesn't really matter if it is red or green (losses/wins) so much as there is stuff on it. Whatever pilots you see on their killboard, that is who is active in corp. If its the same 3 or 4 guys, thats all there is in the corp.
So check out eve-who.com and zkillboard.com for any corp you are thinking about joining. "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1702
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Posted - 2014.05.26 23:44:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Crixus Niminen wrote:... finding a corp that suits me is harder then the game itself.
Im a fairly new player and I'm jumping from corp to corp, ruining my employment history trying to find a place where I could have some fun.
Problems: 1."Yeah we are super active" - 2 player online all day 2."We are super social" - teamspeak is dead 3."Yeah we are EU tz" - they wait for the us comrades to join and then the ops takes place 4."Yeah we do pvp fleets everyday" - nothing is happening
This is my first MMO so maybe I dont know how "guilds" actually look like, but if your corp has 4 active members please dont tell me 10-15. Whatever number of corp mates the info has divide that by 2 just to get a starting figure. Everyone has alts so the corp numbers are automatically misleading. If the corp is a few months old, its already got inactive players. So you gotta just kind of factor off the remaining members with a wild guess. If a corp advertises as being active in all timezones, and in all areas of space (hisec, lowsec, nullsec, wormholes), then they are active only in 1 TZ and only in hisec, and most of their members have probably quit Eve already. I like to shoot things, so the only thing that is important to me is their killboard. Doesn't really matter if it is red or green (losses/wins) so much as there is stuff on it. Whatever pilots you see on their killboard, that is who is active in corp. If its the same 3 or 4 guys, thats all there is in the corp. So check out eve-who.com and zkillboard.com for any corp you are thinking about joining. Brilliant post from an obviously experienced person. +1 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears!
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