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War StalkeR
NOOBIAN UNION
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Posted - 2014.05.27 01:55:00 -
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Some time ago, just to check Custom Ship Skins feature planned to be released in the Kronos update, I've installed Singularity EVE Online client and after seeing THAT, I've became really disappointed.
So, let's begin what I've hoped to see. I hoped to see, that player will have complete control over ship's skin customization, similar to Corporation Icon Design feature: GÇó 3 different layers of skin overlay to select from available pool of overlays. GÇó Ability to chose any color from palette for every skin separately. GÇó Ability to define any opacity value for every skin separately.
Such feature will allow players more immersive gameplay. Just try to imagine ships of entire alliance has same ship skins. I either won't mind spend on such ship customization any amount of Aurum.
When I eventually got to see current Ship Skins Customization feature, there were no end for my disappointment. No, seriously. For such lousy ships skins I won't pay even 0.01 ISK, not just Aurum. Because what players want to see on ships are THEIR ship skins, created and based on their wild imagination, and not on somebody else's.
I've didn't seen such failure of a feature that is about to be implemented for a while. Once again CCP you've impressed me, so I take off my hat before you.
CCP, I suggest you to either remove planned Ship Skins Customization feature or design and implement it as it should be and as other players asked it a long time ago to be. Personally, for current ship skins I won't even bother moving my finger, not just paying 0.01 ISK for them. |
Alexa Coates
Federation Navy Assembly Group LLC
716
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Posted - 2014.05.27 01:57:00 -
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it's not out yet you sperglord. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers. |
War StalkeR
NOOBIAN UNION
7
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Posted - 2014.05.27 02:02:00 -
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Alexa Coates wrote:it's not out yet you sperglord. It is out at the Singularity. |
Sibyyl
Brave Collective
1318
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Posted - 2014.05.27 02:06:00 -
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My opinion is that ship skins should have character creator rules: -Allow some skins for free (a default set) -Allow color changes -Sell more skins on NeX -Sell new structures on NeX (spoiler, bat wings, etc.) -Sell different (read: cooler) looking hulls for same ship on NeX
We define ourselves by our ships. The ship peacocking PVP possibilities are huge.. Travel to exotic solar systems, meet interesting and stimulating people of an ancient culture, and strip ore from their ship hulls. Join BOVRL. Blood Miners take SOV.-á |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3220
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Posted - 2014.05.27 02:07:00 -
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War StalkeR wrote:Alexa Coates wrote:it's not out yet you sperglord. It is out at the Singularity.
No, it is not. That's a replacement for the NeX store (a separate project), which is currently hosting the trial run ship skins.
They have not finished the actual ship customization feature at all. They have only barely started, if at all. Right now they're busy working internally to figure out the best method for designing and delivering the end result. It's not even in production yet. It's still in an early design phase. What you see for sale now is actually a market test to see how many people will actually buy ship skins, how many will fly them in PvP, and what people are willing to pay.
... because guess what? If nobody buys them now, why bother wasting developer resources making an extensive system for it later? If you have a problem with AUR being used to buy ship skins, don't buy those ones. Buy the Police Comet instead to show your support for LP skins. If you call for a boycott of the entire feature based on your half baked information, you're only putting the entire concept at risk.
Also, they never said the full ship customization feature would be out in Kronos. Never. Not once. They said new skins will be out... but that is all.
So, on behalf of everyone who wants customizable ship skins... sit down and shut the **** up. You're only screwing **** up by posting. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
War StalkeR
NOOBIAN UNION
7
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Posted - 2014.05.27 02:29:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Also, they never said the full ship customization feature would be out in Kronos. Never. Not once. They said new skins will be out... but that is all. If this feature is intended to be similar to what I see now, they better to drop it off and focus on other things.
Katrina Oniseki wrote:So, on behalf of everyone who wants customizable ship skins... sit down and shut the **** up. You're only screwing **** up by posting. Don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where to go. |
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
109
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Posted - 2014.05.27 02:48:00 -
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War StalkeR wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:Also, they never said the full ship customization feature would be out in Kronos. Never. Not once. They said new skins will be out... but that is all. If this feature is intended to be similar to what I see now, they better to drop it off and focus on other things. Katrina Oniseki wrote:So, on behalf of everyone who wants customizable ship skins... sit down and shut the **** up. You're only screwing **** up by posting. Don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where to go. They previewed what they had in mind for ship customization at fanfest I believe (a teaser of sorts) it wasn't buy a preset skin and be done with it, it was about as close to customizable as you could get, custom patterns, tones/colors, positioning of patterns, logos, etc. etc. So please do exactly what Katrina said, sit down and shutup until you have all your facts straight. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1633
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Posted - 2014.05.27 02:51:00 -
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War StalkeR wrote:Alexa Coates wrote:it's not out yet you sperglord. It is out at the Singularity. No, the full final feature that will be available at some unknown point in the future is not being released with Kronos.
Go back and read the original devblog and go and look at the FanFest video that has some early concept interface for player made customization.
There is still a long way to go in building that feature, but I'm at least glad they've started taking steps. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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War StalkeR
NOOBIAN UNION
7
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Posted - 2014.05.27 03:33:00 -
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Dun'Gal wrote:They previewed what they had in mind for ship customization at fanfest I believe (a teaser of sorts) it wasn't buy a preset skin and be done with it, it was about as close to customizable as you could get, custom patterns, tones/colors, positioning of patterns, logos, etc. etc. So please do exactly what Katrina said, sit down and shutup until you have all your facts straight. Again, don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where to go. This is the reason exactly why I wrote "either remove planned Ship Skins Customization feature or design and implement it as it should be" - because if CCP's intention to provide normal customization some time in the future - there are no problems with that at all. Read between the lines.
Scipio Artelius wrote:look at the FanFest video that has some early concept interface for player made customization. Can you please provide link to this video? |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
274
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Posted - 2014.05.27 03:58:00 -
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Quote:Scipio Artelius wrote:look at the FanFest video that has some early concept interface for player made customization. Can you please provide link to this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiKGaXuYxiU&feature=player_detailpage#t=1750 My signature got stolen (o.0) |
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1349
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Posted - 2014.05.27 04:05:00 -
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War, you fail at understanding what we are doing and what CCP is doing. They have released a quick trial to see how popular different ship skins actually are. Everyone 'wants' them, but how many are prepared to pay for them and in what form are they prepared to pay? These are important metrics CCP needs information on.
For example, Alliance skins. These may use the builder CCP showed, but then you submit your final product for approval (To ensure it doesn't overlap too closely with another alliance skin or an NPC skin). And like alliance logo's it could cost real money, maybe plex, maybe Aur. Either to set them up as a one off cost, or per unit? To get NPC corp skins they may be in the LP store, or the Aur store or a mix. To get certain unique skins (Punketris Pink for example) they could be Aur store.
So before CCP go nuts with hundreds of hours of Dev time and thousands of hours of bug testing by Sisi people, first we need to actually show support for the concept of skins that cost rather than being a totally free addition. |
Foxstar Damaskeenus
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
141
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Posted - 2014.05.27 04:06:00 -
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I think the new skins are awesome. Looking forward to my white thrasher and my pimped out Blood Raider and Gurista's ships. |
Mana Shian
Fault Line Industries Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
3
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Posted - 2014.05.27 04:08:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote: Gah, beat me to it.
In any case OP, how do you feel now, seeing that video? |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
3508
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Posted - 2014.05.27 04:48:00 -
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War StalkeR wrote:Again, don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where to go.
We'll tell you to shut up if we damn well please if you lack justification for the comments you're making or are otherwise uneducated in the forming of your opinions in a matter that is of significance to the community.
The proper thing to do in this case is to accept the new information, take a drop for humility, apologize for the mixup, and to rename the thread title and re-write the first post to "Okay nvm, misunderstanding".
Because leaving your thread here like it is is only going to attract more people like me that need to beat you over the head with how wrong you are because everyone else without half a brain are gonna make an opinion based on yours and that'll start a panic and we dont want that **** getting started over people that dont know what they're talking about in the first place. The Drake is a Lie |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1936
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Posted - 2014.05.27 04:56:00 -
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Its a progressive thing, the current release is more setting the stage for future improvements on it. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
War StalkeR
NOOBIAN UNION
7
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Posted - 2014.05.27 07:13:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote: Thanks.
Mana Shian wrote:In any case OP, how do you feel now, seeing that video? Taking my words back after seeing such epicness.
Xercodo wrote:if you lack justification for the comments you're making I don't lack justification. I've came to Singularity. I've seen stuff there. I wasn't happy with what I've seen. I've came here and expressed my disappointment. And in order to change my point of view you should have provided me with required information and links, like normal people did, without telling me to shut up.
If you fail to understand importance of the actions performed by normal people and everything you can do, is to ask people to shut up, I suggest you to visit this website and maybe it can help you to change your ways of thinking. |
Madrax Muvila
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.05.27 07:23:00 -
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War StalkeR wrote:I don't lack justification. I've came to Singularity. I've seen stuff there. I wasn't happy with what I've seen. I've came here and expressed my disappointment. And in order to change my point of view you should have provided me with required information and links, like normal people did, without telling me to shut up. If you fail to understand importance of the actions performed by normal people and everything you can do, is to ask people to shut up, I suggest you to visit this website and maybe it can help you to change your ways of thinking.
You lacked basic communication skills and came and vented on the forums. The other posters just replied in kind and had a go at your seriously (un)miss-informed opinion on what you thought you were getting from 'custom skins'. The key to good communication is to accept that whatever you are trying to express is under YOUR control and if people are not getting the right message then YOU are not expressing it in the right way.
Good that you are taking your words back after realising you didn't have all the information to justify your original rant. Who needs SP!
http://killingitineve.wordpress.com/ |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
3509
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Posted - 2014.05.27 07:53:00 -
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War StalkeR wrote:I don't lack justification. I've came to Singularity. I've seen stuff there. I wasn't happy with what I've seen. I've came here and expressed my disappointment. And in order to change my point of view you should have provided me with required information and links, like normal people did, without telling me to shut up. If you fail to understand importance of the actions performed by normal people and everything you can do, is to ask people to shut up, I suggest you to visit this website and maybe it can help you to change your ways of thinking.
Yes you do. You're telling us about a thing that you only know half about. Just because you only saw one side of it on Sisi doesn't mean you're justified to freak out over the lack of a system that's actually currently "not even alpha, barely tech demo". If you had come here with a question to confirm if your fears were true we'd simply say no and link the relevant information. What you have done instead is strongly suggest a course of action based on something you know little about.
I didn't need to provide you with links. People have already done that, that'd be redundant. And I would have hoped you'd seen them before having read my post.
I also am more certainly capable of far more than telling people to shut up. You in particular warranted it. I usually spend the rest of my time here being helpful in the new player section. So much so CCP has thanked me individually for it.
But really at the core of it it's just a massive pet peeve of mine for people to make demands and/or react excessively over something they're ignorant to, good or bad reactions. Admittedly, this could result in a particularly more aggressive response from me; guess what I'm saying is take all that I've said with a grain of salt.
"GUYS WE'RE GETTING 11 FREE GECKOS" "Sit your ass back down, we have to hit the goals first"
"This implementation of paint is terrible and you should feel terrible" "What you did there was just tried to literally eat a drawing of a donut and got pissed it didn't have icing and tasted like paper because you saw what looked like a donut and just assumed..."
[Dramatizations, not intended to portray any particular person]
And btw no, that website doesn't change my opinion at all because I hold little value you in yours. Tah-dah!
This is largely attribute to not so much your ignorance, because really very few are ignorant on purpose, but due to your attitude to remain steadfast in not having to change your opinion. Now that you HAVE seen the video though, can you kindly edit the main post of this topic so as to not insight further misguided opinions.
I would like to say though that had I been the first responder to this thread I probably would have A) Asked you to hold your horses in a much more agreeable fashion. B) Linked the video you've already seen by now. C) Informed you to what the overall plan was. D) Not seen how much of a **** you were to people that tried to inform you otherwise. The Drake is a Lie |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
6281
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Posted - 2014.05.27 08:03:00 -
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Well it's not just for the NeX store, they will be offering them from in-game play at some point. This is just a test as they work out the system.
And on that note, I don't really want to see them invest a lot of time developing some complicated system around it. Really, seems more of just something to keep part of the art team busy while coders work out actually fixing the game. So they could wind up with 100's of skins in time, and not all just done through the nEx store. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
19
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Posted - 2014.05.27 08:15:00 -
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what was that Benjamin Franklin dude said about "empty barrels"?...
oh yeah, they tend to make "the loudest noise"! Just Add Water |
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
700
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Posted - 2014.05.27 08:16:00 -
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War StalkeR wrote:Some time ago, just to check Custom Ship Skins feature planned to be released in the Kronos update, I've installed Singularity EVE Online client and after seeing THAT, I've became really disappointed.
So, let's begin what I've hoped to see. I hoped to see, that player will have complete control over ship's skin customization, similar to Corporation Icon Design feature: GÇó 3 different layers of skin overlay to select from available pool of overlays. GÇó Ability to chose any color from palette for every skin separately. GÇó Ability to define any opacity value for every skin separately.
Such feature will allow players more immersive gameplay. Just try to imagine ships of entire alliance has same ship skins. I either won't mind spend on such ship customization any amount of Aurum.
When I eventually got to see current Ship Skins Customization feature, there were no end for my disappointment. No, seriously. For such lousy ships skins I won't pay even 0.01 ISK, not just Aurum. Because what players want to see on ships are THEIR ship skins, created and based on their wild imagination, and not on somebody else's.
I've didn't seen such failure of a feature that is about to be implemented for a while. Once again CCP you've impressed me, so I take off my hat before you.
CCP, I suggest you to either remove planned Ship Skins Customization feature or design and implement it as it should be and as other players asked it a long time ago to be. Personally, for current ship skins I won't even bother moving my finger, not just paying 0.01 ISK for them.
The current iteration of ship skinning is a test to see how much interest there is and if there's a point in developing it further. The current mechanic for it (BPC) isn't here to stay either and will be replaced eventually. At FanFest the art team showed off an awesome tech demo for custom ship skins.
You would have known all this had you taken a few minutes to research the subject instead of blatantly coming to the forums to complain like an entitled little brat.
My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1718
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Posted - 2014.05.27 08:17:00 -
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Quote:If nobody buys them now
Nobady wants the real stuff? Look at police comet. People wanted to have it so it's very succesful skin. People may be wanting something else and this trial program maybe serving a cute excuse for them later, that they can't go deeper the rabbit hole because people did not want. Did not want what? And what they actually wanted?
Customization, not a premade few alterations to a color scheme. Racing stripes! When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues. http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
1079
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Posted - 2014.05.27 08:31:00 -
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War StalkeR wrote:Read between the lines. I quite honestly believe that expecting people to read between any lines at all on the internet is ****. You either say what you want to say or you don't.
Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Cypherous
Evil Monkey Asylum Exploding Supremacy
89
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Posted - 2014.05.27 11:19:00 -
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War StalkeR wrote:I don't lack justification. I've came to Singularity. I've seen stuff there. I wasn't happy with what I've seen
In which case the correct forum for you to vent your concerns would be Test Server Feedback and not general discussion as you seem to think :) |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1501
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Posted - 2014.05.27 11:27:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:So before CCP go nuts with hundreds of hours of Dev time and thousands of hours of bug testing by Sisi people, first we need to actually show support for the concept of skins that cost rather than being a totally free addition. and there is the problem: being in full support of ship skin customization i personally have no interest in few predefined skins they made "for test". For the start i don't fly these ships Since now i haven't buy and used one skin(!!!). So from CCP's POV i don't support the main idea.
I'm pretty sure either people just start to buy and use these boring skins "to show support" spending our money for nothing or CCP will say "well... noone wants custom skins"
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
1152
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Posted - 2014.05.27 11:34:00 -
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War StalkeR wrote:Some time ago, just to check Custom Ship Skins feature planned to be released in the Kronos update, I've installed Singularity EVE Online client and after seeing THAT, I've became really disappointed.
So, let's begin what I've hoped to see. I hoped to see, that player will have complete control over ship's skin customization, similar to Corporation Icon Design feature: GÇó 3 different layers of skin overlay to select from available pool of overlays. GÇó Ability to chose any color from palette for every skin separately. GÇó Ability to define any opacity value for every skin separately.
Such feature will allow players more immersive gameplay. Just try to imagine ships of entire alliance has same ship skins. I either won't mind spend on such ship customization any amount of Aurum.
When I eventually got to see current Ship Skins Customization feature, there were no end for my disappointment. No, seriously. For such lousy ships skins I won't pay even 0.01 ISK, not just Aurum. Because what players want to see on ships are THEIR ship skins, created and based on their wild imagination, and not on somebody else's.
I've didn't seen such failure of a feature that is about to be implemented for a while. Once again CCP you've impressed me, so I take off my hat before you.
CCP, I suggest you to either remove planned Ship Skins Customization feature or design and implement it as it should be and as other players asked it a long time ago to be. Personally, for current ship skins I won't even bother moving my finger, not just paying 0.01 ISK for them.
It's Singularity... a TEST server used for feedback and to find bugs. Not everything is put on at once. It is added as it is ready to be tested. And besides... the ship skin program is still in "Beta" as far as I know. |
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
445
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Posted - 2014.05.27 14:00:00 -
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Dress up space barbies just aren't enough for you people, are they? They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the primitive side, the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. |
War StalkeR
NOOBIAN UNION
9
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Posted - 2014.05.27 16:46:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:I also am more certainly capable of far more than telling people to shut up. You in particular warranted it. I usually spend the rest of my time here being helpful in the new player section. So much so CCP has thanked me individually for it. Oh, I'm so sorry that I have Real Life and can't spend my entire life on forums.
Xercodo wrote:D) Not seen how much of a **** you were to people that tried to inform you otherwise. No, those who actually informed me, such as Antihrist Pripravnik, who linked me video, received my thanks. But everybody who asked me to shut up, received their directions. It's not me an *****, it some people who don't want to understand, that there are people who have real life, thus can't spend every second of their life on forums of EVE Online.
Debora Tsung wrote:I quite honestly believe that expecting people to read between any lines at all on the internet is ****. I quite honestly believed that people on the internet more clever, then you present them. It's shame, but you are right here and I'm wrong. People on the internet are as you present them.
Cypherous wrote:In which case the correct forum for you to vent your concerns would be Test Server Feedback and not general discussion as you seem to think :) My bad. Thanks for pointing out. |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1466
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Posted - 2014.05.27 17:39:00 -
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I'd like to customise some of my ships, not keen on the variants used in this initial trial so haven't bought any. Does this mean that I don't support ship skins so dev time should be cancelled -or- does it mean that dev time should be invested to deliver a workable UI for the version the Art panel showed?
For me, LP all the way, there should be an in game sandbox link to everything we fly, whatever the skin is. Also very interested in alliance themes for ships, as with medals, this should cost lots of isk to set up so may help persuade people to drop Plex for them. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1352
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Posted - 2014.05.27 22:52:00 -
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Solhild wrote:I'd like to customise some of my ships, not keen on the variants used in this initial trial so haven't bought any. Does this mean that I don't support ship skins so dev time should be cancelled -or- does it mean that dev time should be invested to deliver a workable UI for the version the Art panel showed?
For me, LP all the way, there should be an in game sandbox link to everything we fly, whatever the skin is. Also very interested in alliance themes for ships, as with medals, this should cost lots of isk to set up so may help persuade people to drop Plex for them. If you want LP, invest in a few police comets to show them the metrics support LP far more than Aur. I'm sure the Devs know not everyone wants the particular skins they are releasing. But if no-one at all was buying any of them, it would be a reasonable extrapolation to say that people aren't interested in paying Aur for ship skins at all. |
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