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Khadhir Hashul
Dark Angel Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.28 15:39:00 -
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I made a new alt and apparently it's going to take around 5 days for Scout Drones to train. What's going to happen to that half-finished skill? |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
702
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Posted - 2014.05.28 15:45:00 -
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Once the split happens, if you don't get the drones skill to V then you will recieve the two skills it's splitting into to IV. Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
De'Veldrin
Saint's Industries Brothers of Tangra
2095
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Posted - 2014.05.28 15:53:00 -
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Just for clarification, Scout Drones isn't being split, right? Based on the devblog, it's being renamed, and Combat Drone Operation is the one being split.
Quote: We are also splitting the current Combat Drone Operation skill into two new skills, Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation. This means that all light combat drones will now be unlocked and bonused from the Light Drone Operation skill, and medium combat drones will be unlocked and bonused from the Medium Drone Operation skill. During the patch downtime, existing players with the Combat Drone Operation skill trained will receive both new skills trained to the same level that their Combat Drone Operation skill was trained to.
This change makes light and medium drones consistent with heavy and sentry drones in their skill paths. It also allows us to create new ships and modules with bonuses that only affect light or medium drones separately, such as the newly rebalanced Guristas Worm faction frigate.
Finally, we are renaming two drone skills to clarify their roles. The Scout Drone Operation skill is being renamed GÇ£Drone AvionicsGÇ¥; the Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing skill is being renamed GÇ£Advanced Drone AvionicsGÇ¥ to better represent their roles. The effects, prerequisites and unlocks provided by these skills will not be changing.
GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ does not mean that you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you can attempt anything you want to succeed at. One of the largest obstacles in the way of your success is other players. |
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CCP Merc
C C P C C P Alliance
10
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Posted - 2014.05.28 15:55:00 -
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Your alt will receive the Drone Avionics skill with the same number of skill points that Scout Drone Operation has when Kronos lands. Effectively, we're just renaming Scout Drone Operation to Drone Avionics, so you can safely keep that skill in training without losing any progress |
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Gridloader
Limitless Capabilities
4
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Posted - 2014.05.28 15:56:00 -
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prolly the same what happend with BCs and Destroyers.... On 1 char I had 80% BC skill trained before patch comes.... and after patch I had 4racial BC at 80%. |
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
825
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Posted - 2014.05.28 16:03:00 -
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CCP Merc wrote:Your alt will receive the Drone Avionics skill with the same number of skill points that Scout Drone Operation has when Kronos lands. Effectively, we're just renaming Scout Drone Operation to Drone Avionics, so you can safely keep that skill in training without losing any progress
so when the light drone/medium drone skills are made from the combat drone operation skill will they both still be a 2x skill? or what would make more sense would be if the light drone skill was 1x... Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic. Nerf web strength ..... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
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CCP Merc
C C P C C P Alliance
10
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Posted - 2014.05.28 16:17:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:so when the light drone/medium drone skills are made from the combat drone operation skill will they both still be a 2x skill? or what would make more sense would be if the light drone skill was 1x...
Light Drone Operation will be rank 1 and Medium Drone Operation will be rank 2.
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Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
430
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Posted - 2014.05.28 16:27:00 -
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CCP Merc wrote:Your alt will receive the Drone Avionics skill with the same number of skill points that Scout Drone Operation has when Kronos lands. Effectively, we're just renaming Scout Drone Operation to Drone Avionics, so you can safely keep that skill in training without losing any progress What about Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation?
According to https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4431589#post4431589 :
CCP Fozzie wrote:As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime. That would mean that the OP should get Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation to partway through level V as well... |
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CCP Merc
C C P C C P Alliance
12
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Posted - 2014.05.28 16:53:00 -
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Chris Winter wrote: That would mean that the OP should get Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation to partway through level V as well...
That's right, assuming of course he doesn't have Combat Drone Operation trained to V.
When we determine which of the two skills (Scout and Combat Drone Operation) is higher we take into account any partial training and apply it to the new skills as well. |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10134
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Posted - 2014.05.28 19:38:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Just for clarification, Scout Drones isn't being split, right? Based on the devblog, it's being renamed, and Combat Drone Operation is the one being split. Quote: We are also splitting the current Combat Drone Operation skill into two new skills, Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation. This means that all light combat drones will now be unlocked and bonused from the Light Drone Operation skill, and medium combat drones will be unlocked and bonused from the Medium Drone Operation skill. During the patch downtime, existing players with the Combat Drone Operation skill trained will receive both new skills trained to the same level that their Combat Drone Operation skill was trained to.
This change makes light and medium drones consistent with heavy and sentry drones in their skill paths. It also allows us to create new ships and modules with bonuses that only affect light or medium drones separately, such as the newly rebalanced Guristas Worm faction frigate.
Finally, we are renaming two drone skills to clarify their roles. The Scout Drone Operation skill is being renamed GÇ£Drone AvionicsGÇ¥; the Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing skill is being renamed GÇ£Advanced Drone AvionicsGÇ¥ to better represent their roles. The effects, prerequisites and unlocks provided by these skills will not be changing.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4431589#post4431589 So no, the dev blog is wrong. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Hyuni
Conqueror Worm Limited
1
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Posted - 2014.05.28 21:54:00 -
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CCP Merc wrote:Chris Winter wrote: That would mean that the OP should get Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation to partway through level V as well...
That's right, assuming of course he doesn't have Combat Drone Operation trained to V. When we determine which of the two skills (Scout and Combat Drone Operation) is higher we take into account any partial training and apply it to the new skills as well.
So after trying to catch up and skimming the 50 page original thread, what I'm getting is that if we spent an extra week training both skills to V because the dev blog said we should, we're just out of luck and wasted a week of training? Is that correct? |
Jack Morrison
Sinister Spinster Advent of Fate
140
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Posted - 2014.05.28 21:58:00 -
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Hyuni wrote:CCP Merc wrote:Chris Winter wrote: That would mean that the OP should get Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation to partway through level V as well...
That's right, assuming of course he doesn't have Combat Drone Operation trained to V. When we determine which of the two skills (Scout and Combat Drone Operation) is higher we take into account any partial training and apply it to the new skills as well. So after trying to catch up and skimming the 50 page original thread, what I'm getting is that if we spent an extra week training both skills to V because the dev blog said we should, we're just out of luck and wasted a week of training? Is that correct?
yes "This is nothing more than a rumor with no basis of fact. Hope that's enough of a confirmation for you guys. :)" Coolstorybro |
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
55
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Posted - 2014.05.28 22:19:00 -
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Hyuni wrote:CCP Merc wrote:Chris Winter wrote: That would mean that the OP should get Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation to partway through level V as well...
That's right, assuming of course he doesn't have Combat Drone Operation trained to V. When we determine which of the two skills (Scout and Combat Drone Operation) is higher we take into account any partial training and apply it to the new skills as well. So after trying to catch up and skimming the 50 page original thread, what I'm getting is that if we spent an extra week training both skills to V because the dev blog said we should, we're just out of luck and wasted a week of training? Is that correct?
yes, and no word on SP reimbursement. |
Tronity Neutronux
Tontauben II
1
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Posted - 2014.05.28 22:32:00 -
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Fabulous Rod wrote: yes, and no word on SP reimbursement.
...and no word on Drone Link Augmentor II as well. Maybe there is a new skill that is required for that and gain some benefit from that. But without any official answer it's some kind of guesswork either to stop the skilling if you have one of the 2 skills already at V in hope to don't waste skill-time or not because Drone Link Augmentor II is still not mentioned. |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2263
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Posted - 2014.05.28 22:42:00 -
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Hyuni wrote: So after trying to catch up and skimming the 50 page original thread, what I'm getting is that if we spent an extra week training both skills to V because the dev blog said we should, we're just out of luck and wasted a week of training? Is that correct?
no, because you're getting the extra 5% damage to your drones. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Ohhhh Feely Nice
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2014.05.28 22:48:00 -
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CCP Merc wrote:Chris Winter wrote: That would mean that the OP should get Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation to partway through level V as well...
That's right, assuming of course he doesn't have Combat Drone Operation trained to V. When we determine which of the two skills (Scout and Combat Drone Operation) is higher we take into account any partial training and apply it to the new skills as well. I get the feeling you didn't even realize it applies to CDO. Am I right?
It would make sense, considering few of us realized it for awhile either, considering it's extremely disorganized to post such a change on the 33rd page of a thread and not update the dev blog at all even up to now. |
Tronity Neutronux
Tontauben II
1
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Posted - 2014.05.28 23:05:00 -
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Velicitia wrote: no, because you're getting the extra 5% damage to your drones.
That would mean that the Combat Drones skill remains and still contains Drone Link Augmentor II? But if that is the case is it affecting either light and medium drones with 5% damage?
So far there is some confusing dev-blog that still says Combat Drones would split up (which seems to be fully wrong). Now it's told here that Scout drones is going to be renamed to Drone Avionics ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4648326#post4648326 ) and regarding Light and Medium drones it was mentioned earlier that it does not make a difference if you skill Scout or Combat Drones to V (as written here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4431589#post4431589).
If Combat Drones remain it sounds good to me and there is no waste of time to skill it if you already have Scout Drones to V. If not it seems still a waste of skill time and the dev-blog is still misleading. |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
339
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Posted - 2014.05.29 00:17:00 -
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Tronity Neutronux wrote:Velicitia wrote: no, because you're getting the extra 5% damage to your drones.
That would mean that the Combat Drones skill remains and still contains Drone Link Augmentor II? But if that is the case is it affecting either light and medium drones with 5% damage? So far there is some confusing dev-blog that still says Combat Drones would split up (which seems to be fully wrong). Now it's told here that Scout drones is going to be renamed to Drone Avionics ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4648326#post4648326 ) and regarding Light and Medium drones it was mentioned earlier that it does not make a difference if you skill Scout or Combat Drones to V (as written here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4431589#post4431589). If Combat Drones remain it sounds good to me and there is no waste of time to skill it if you already have Scout Drones to V. If not it seems still a waste of skill time and the dev-blog is still misleading.
You are not losing anything. You get a bonus for training the skill (until patch when you would've gotten it anyway). What, exactly, is the problem? That you're not getting a handout? |
Tronity Neutronux
Tontauben II
1
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Posted - 2014.05.29 00:50:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote: You are not losing anything.
You are loosing skilltime now if you skill Combat Drones to V if you already got Scout Drones to V earlier if the skill Combat Drones is getting removed via the split. If not everything is good.
Quote: What, exactly, is the problem?
The problem is that there is no confirmation that the Combat Drones skill still remains after the patch and that there are some infos at the dev-blog (that seems more or less wrong) and some other infos spread in various threads and busybody that still waste others time via linking to dev-blog or other stuff...
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Hyuni
Conqueror Worm Limited
1
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Posted - 2014.05.29 01:20:00 -
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The problem is that some people trained 768k sp so as to be prepared for this change and as far as anyone has said we're being granted new skills exactly the same as people who trained only 256k sp. So we've now wasted an additional week+ of training time to prepare for an announced change that was then modified 30 some pages deep in a discussion thread. It's frustrating having wasted that training time when it could have been better spent.
Seems like it wouldn't be that hard to add the sp amounts trained from the two existing skills, if total is <= 256k then assign that amount of sp for each of the new skills (double the amount for MDO as it is a rank two skill). If the total is above 256k then set all the new skills at V and put the sp minus the 256k back into the unallocated pool. As far as I can tell, and I could be missing something, this treats everyone equally and even provides a bit of an extra boost for someone who might have only trained to IV in both skills.
Being irritated about having time spent training skills tossed out the window is not asking for a handout. I'll bet there are still people training away at combat drones because they think they need it before the expansion.
Really would love to actually hear some kind of official response. |
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
704
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Posted - 2014.05.29 01:23:00 -
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Hyuni wrote:The problem is that some people trained 768k sp so as to be prepared for this change and as far as anyone has said we're being granted new skills exactly the same as people who trained only 256k sp. So we've now wasted an additional week+ of training time to prepare for an announced change that was then modified 30 some pages deep in a discussion thread. It's frustrating having wasted that training time when it could have been better spent.
I'm sure everyone who lost billions speculating on the capital rig market for the freighter changes could have found better way for that pile of ISK. Shall we reimburse them as well?
You're not getting a refund. Just drop it. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Tronity Neutronux
Tontauben II
1
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Posted - 2014.05.29 01:46:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Shall we reimburse them as well?
Who is we? Are you talking for CCP? If you read the previous post of Hyuni you might see that there are still people affected by that issue right now. |
Hyuni
Conqueror Worm Limited
2
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Posted - 2014.05.29 02:01:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Hyuni wrote:The problem is that some people trained 768k sp so as to be prepared for this change and as far as anyone has said we're being granted new skills exactly the same as people who trained only 256k sp. So we've now wasted an additional week+ of training time to prepare for an announced change that was then modified 30 some pages deep in a discussion thread. It's frustrating having wasted that training time when it could have been better spent. I'm sure everyone who lost billions speculating on the capital rig market for the freighter changes could have found better way for that pile of ISK. Shall we reimburse them as well? You're not getting a refund. Just drop it.
Apples and Oranges. As mentioned above, you must have forgotten to change to your CCP account. Oops! |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
704
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Posted - 2014.05.29 02:09:00 -
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Tronity Neutronux wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Shall we reimburse them as well? Who is we? Are you talking for CCP? If you read the previous post of Hyuni you might see that there are still people affected by that issue right now.
'We' as in the collective EVE community, including the devs. Used it as a general term more than anything else. Don't read so much into it.
And what issue is this? That some people who didn't already have a useful skill to V have now trained it to V because of announced changes that weren't actually finalized yet?
Quote:Apples and Oranges.
No... not really. A change is announced. People act on it because they think it will benefit them to do so. The change is then changed, removing the original benefit and wasting either time or money. Please explain to me how this is different
No-one forced you, instructed you or even encouraged you to start training a skill. That gamble was taken on your own initiative and you lost that gamble. Tough luck. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
698
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Posted - 2014.05.29 02:12:00 -
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Hyuni wrote:Really would love to actually hear some kind of official response. They have made an official response. You're not getting free SP.
Also, why did you think you would need this? CCP's policy has been "if you can fly now you can fly it after. So, why did you train the skill? Did you think CCP was gonna take away your ability to use drones? They never have and never will. |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
704
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Posted - 2014.05.29 02:15:00 -
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Rowells wrote:Hyuni wrote:Really would love to actually hear some kind of official response. They have made an official response. You're not getting free SP. Also, why did you think you would need this? CCP's policy has been "if you can fly now you can fly it after. So, why did you train the skill? Did you think CCP was gonna take away your ability to use drones? They never have and never will.
Because you get free SP out of it in the form of a completely new skill at the level of the old one. The thing they're crying over is the fact that the requirements for the 'free SP' were later lowered, making their entitled little heads believe that they 'wasted' their time training the skill. Now they want that wasted time back in the form of more free SP.
Are you laughing yet? Because you should be My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Hyuni
Conqueror Worm Limited
2
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Posted - 2014.05.29 03:16:00 -
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Rowells wrote:Hyuni wrote:Really would love to actually hear some kind of official response. They have made an official response. You're not getting free SP. Also, why did you think you would need this? CCP's policy has been "if you can fly now you can fly it after. So, why did you train the skill? Did you think CCP was gonna take away your ability to use drones? They never have and never will.
Link please? |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
699
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Posted - 2014.05.29 03:30:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4592269#post4594548
Post #8
I think there's more but I'm on a mobile atm and searching is a ***** |
Hyuni
Conqueror Worm Limited
2
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Posted - 2014.05.29 03:41:00 -
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Rowells wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4592269#post4594548
Post #8
I think there's more but I'm on a mobile atm and searching is a *****
Thank you I had not seen that previously.
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Hyuni
Conqueror Worm Limited
2
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Posted - 2014.05.29 03:47:00 -
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Obviously this has been argued over more then enough so I'm not going to waste my time. Just want to say I'm disappointed in CCP over the decision to remove training from characters but they're gonna do whatever they are I guess. Would prefer to see accurate communication in the future, a much better job was done with the Destroyer/BC revamp to ensure that the community at large was aware of upcoming changes and how they would & should affect training plans.
As a player, I should never have to wonder if training a skill is a waste of time because it might be erased tomorrow. Sure I'll spend lots of time wondering if it's a waste of time because some skills are terrible but that's part of the game, erasing training shouldn't be.
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