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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22256
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Posted - 2014.05.29 03:49:00 -
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Hyuni wrote:Obviously this has been argued over more then enough so I'm not going to waste my time. Just want to say I'm disappointed in CCP over the decision to remove training from characters but they're gonna do whatever they are I guess. No training is being removed. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Hyuni
Conqueror Worm Limited
2
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Posted - 2014.05.29 03:55:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Hyuni wrote:Obviously this has been argued over more then enough so I'm not going to waste my time. Just want to say I'm disappointed in CCP over the decision to remove training from characters but they're gonna do whatever they are I guess. No training is being removed.
# of sp doesn't equal training.
In other news racial Battleship V takes too long to train. Anyone who has trained one race of Battleship to V will now get all Battleships at V. No training is being removed, sorry if you bothered to train all 4 of them previously. This is your argument. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22256
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Posted - 2014.05.29 03:57:00 -
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Hyuni wrote:# of sp doesn't equal training. GǪand no matter what, training isn't removed. If you had some trained-for bonus before, you will have it afterwards. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Hyuni
Conqueror Worm Limited
2
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Posted - 2014.05.29 04:08:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Hyuni wrote:# of sp doesn't equal training. GǪand no matter what, training isn't removed. If you had some trained-for bonus before, you will have it afterwards.
Ugh this is why I said I was done with this discussion. Let me see if I can simply it further. From here on out all Eve characters who have trained Drones V shall now have all drone skills at V. No training was removed. Granting equal skills to people with differing levels of skill investment is a removal of training.
I wasn't crying before, I was attempting to have a discussion but after reading responses from you and several others in this thread and another I just noticed, I'm starting to cry for the human race. Please don't reproduce. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22259
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Posted - 2014.05.29 04:11:00 -
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Hyuni wrote:Granting equal skills to people with differing levels of skill investment is a removal of training. No, it is not. Removing the abilities you've trained for is a removal of training. Others getting the same abilities you've trained for is them receiving training. This is not a zero-sum game GÇö their gain is not your loss. Learn the difference.
Quote:Please don't reproduce. Sod off you whingy entitled brat. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2462
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Posted - 2014.05.29 04:18:00 -
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Hyuni wrote:Tippia wrote:Hyuni wrote:# of sp doesn't equal training. GǪand no matter what, training isn't removed. If you had some trained-for bonus before, you will have it afterwards. Ugh this is why I said I was done with this discussion. Let me see if I can simply it further. From here on out all Eve characters who have trained Drones V shall now have all drone skills at V. No training was removed. Granting equal skills to people with differing levels of skill investment is a removal of training. I wasn't crying before, I was attempting to have a discussion but after reading responses from you and several others in this thread and another I just noticed, I'm starting to cry for the human race. Please don't reproduce.
So according to you giving a person something is taking something away from another person. When did EVE become a closed system?
A has 10 oranges,
B has 8 oranges,
I give 2 oranges to B,
B now has 10 oranges.
According to your logic A had 2 oranges removed from it which is clearly not the case. Try again? This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Hyuni
Conqueror Worm Limited
2
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Posted - 2014.05.29 04:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Hyuni wrote:Granting equal skills to people with differing levels of skill investment is a removal of training. No, it is not. Removing the abilities you've trained for is a removal of training. Others getting the same abilities you've trained for is them receiving training. This is not a zero-sum game GÇö their gain is not your loss. Learn the difference. Quote:Please don't reproduce. Sod off you whingy entitled brat.
In a game in which I'm trying to kill or avoid being killed by them, then yes their gain is my loss. This is not a single player game. Learn the difference.
i'm unsure what my lawn has to do with this and I'd personally disagree as to my whingyness (sp?), I stand by my statement regarding the benefit of your genes continuing within the human race. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22259
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Posted - 2014.05.29 04:26:00 -
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Hyuni wrote:In a game in which I'm trying to kill or avoid being killed by them GǪtheir gain is still not your loss. You are not interconnected. It is not a zero-sum game. In fact, their skill gains will happen in an utterly disconnected manner to what you do. If you think they are, you have fundamentally misunderstood how skills in EVE work and are thus pretty much disqualified from commenting on the system.
Quote:i'm unsure what my lawn has to do with this and I'd personally disagree as to my whingyness (sp?) So your problem with the concepts of GÇ£gainGÇ¥ and GÇ£lossGÇ¥ is that you're not all that familiar with these things called GÇ£wordsGÇ¥ and their meaning, then. That clear that problem up, I suppose. By keeping the abilities you trained for, you lose nothing. That's kind of what GÇ£keeping the abilities you trained forGÇ¥ means, you know, just for future reference.
The fact remains: you lose nothing. The fact that you immediately had to jump on an ad hominem because of your monumental inability to respond in an actually coherent and reasoned way proves that your argument is just a matter of idiotic entitlement, so that's another thing cleared up. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Apocryphal Noise
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2014.05.29 04:40:00 -
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Hyuni wrote:Tippia wrote:Hyuni wrote:Granting equal skills to people with differing levels of skill investment is a removal of training. No, it is not. Removing the abilities you've trained for is a removal of training. Others getting the same abilities you've trained for is them receiving training. This is not a zero-sum game GÇö their gain is not your loss. Learn the difference. Quote:Please don't reproduce. Sod off you whingy entitled brat. In a game in which I'm trying to kill or avoid being killed by them, then yes their gain is my loss. This is not a single player game. Learn the difference. i'm unsure what my lawn has to do with this and I'd personally disagree as to my whingyness (sp?), I stand by my statement regarding the benefit of your genes continuing within the human race.
See now you're talking about causality, which is a problem because it's unaccountable and...well you're just trying to save face heh. Also, Sod off means f*ck off in the Queen's English, and whinge is actually the proper (even in American English) word for someone who complains, as opposed to whine, which is mostly colloquially associated with whinge in the U.S. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2463
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Posted - 2014.05.29 04:41:00 -
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Hyuni wrote:
In a game in which I'm trying to kill or avoid being killed by them, then yes their gain is my loss. This is not a single player game. Learn the difference.
i'm unsure what my lawn has to do with this and I'd personally disagree as to my whingyness (sp?), I stand by my statement regarding the benefit of your genes continuing within the human race.
So I just gained 1 skill point and I'm coming to gank you that means you just lost 1 skill point? You are very whingy and being deliberately obtuse so you can "win" an argument on the internet that you made yourself look dumb in. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10142
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Posted - 2014.05.29 04:47:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:So according to you giving a person something is taking something away from another person. When did EVE become a closed system?
A has 10 oranges,
B has 8 oranges,
I give 2 oranges to B,
B now has 10 oranges.
According to your logic A had 2 oranges removed from it which is clearly not the case. Try again? One can work 2 hours for 5 oranges, 4 hours for 5 oranges, or 6 hours for 10 oranges.
A works 2 hours for 5 oranges, and B works 6 hours for 10 oranges. A is suddenly given 5 more oranges for no reason other than already having 5 oranges. B feels cheated having had to work the extra 4 hours for the full 10 oranges when A got them without those 4 hours. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Hyuni
Conqueror Worm Limited
2
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Posted - 2014.05.29 04:47:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Hyuni wrote:In a game in which I'm trying to kill or avoid being killed by them GǪtheir gain is still not your loss. You are not interconnected. It is not a zero-sum game. In fact, their skill gains will happen in an utterly disconnected manner to what you do. If you think they are, you have fundamentally misunderstood how skills in EVE work and are thus pretty much disqualified from commenting on the system. Quote:i'm unsure what my lawn has to do with this and I'd personally disagree as to my whingyness (sp?) So your problem with the concepts of GǣgainGǥ and GǣlossGǥ is that you're not all that familiar with these things called GǣwordsGǥ and their meaning, then. That clear that problem up, I suppose. By keeping the abilities you trained for, you lose nothing. That's kind of what Gǣkeeping the abilities you trained forGǥ means, you know, just for future reference. The fact remains: you lose nothing. The fact that you immediately had to jump on an ad hominem because of your monumental inability to respond in an actually coherent and reasoned way proves that your argument is just a matter of idiotic entitlement, so that's another thing cleared up.
My opinion of you has nothing to with the side of the argument you are on. Let's just end this now so you don't waste any more of those limited brain cells googling big words.
o7 m8888888888888888 or whatever you pubbies do these days |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10142
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Posted - 2014.05.29 04:51:00 -
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Hyuni wrote:My opinion of you has nothing to with the side of the argument you are on. Let's just end this now so you don't waste any more of those limited brain cells googling big words.
o7 m8888888888888888 or whatever you pubbies do these days Well you've lost my support. Good job.
I can stand to take the loss, so I'm really just arguing out of principle. I'm willing to bet it hits you harder though, and that makes me change my mind. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Hyuni
Conqueror Worm Limited
2
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Posted - 2014.05.29 04:52:00 -
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Apocryphal Noise wrote:Hyuni wrote:Tippia wrote:Hyuni wrote:Granting equal skills to people with differing levels of skill investment is a removal of training. No, it is not. Removing the abilities you've trained for is a removal of training. Others getting the same abilities you've trained for is them receiving training. This is not a zero-sum game GÇö their gain is not your loss. Learn the difference. Quote:Please don't reproduce. Sod off you whingy entitled brat. In a game in which I'm trying to kill or avoid being killed by them, then yes their gain is my loss. This is not a single player game. Learn the difference. i'm unsure what my lawn has to do with this and I'd personally disagree as to my whingyness (sp?), I stand by my statement regarding the benefit of your genes continuing within the human race. See now you're talking about causality, which is a problem because it's unaccountable and...well you're just trying to save face heh. Also, Sod off means f*ck off in the Queen's English, and whinge is actually the proper (even in American English) word for someone who complains, as opposed to whine, which is mostly colloquially associated with whinge in the U.S.
Sarcasm clearly escapes you. Just for future reference, whinge is not a proper word in American English. Whine is correct. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22259
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Posted - 2014.05.29 04:57:00 -
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Hyuni wrote:My opinion of you has nothing to with the side of the argument you are on. Make up your mind.
Quote:Let's just end this now so you don't waste any more of those limited brain cells googling big words. So you agree, then, seeing as how you have nothing to offer but fallacies. Got it.
How about this: if you edit out the abortion of rational thought that you decided to add to ensure that you instantly lost the argument, I'll remove my reference to your abysmal failure and you'll get a fresh start at trying to actually present something that might on first look be confused by a coherent argument. Deal?
Quote:Just for future reference, whinge is not a proper word in American English. GǪand yet it appears in the dictionary. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Sibyyl
Brave Collective
1374
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Posted - 2014.05.29 05:01:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:One can work 2 hours for 5 oranges, 4 hours for 5 oranges, or 6 hours for 10 oranges.
A works 2 hours for 5 oranges, and B works 6 hours for 10 oranges. A is suddenly given 5 more oranges for no reason other than already having 5 oranges. B feels cheated having had to work the extra 4 hours for the full 10 oranges when A got them without those 4 hours. A pays a subscription for a year and gets 7 Geckos as a prize. B pays $0.01 on Humble Bundle and gets 7 Geckos as a prize.
Where is your outrage? Travel to exotic solar systems, meet interesting and stimulating people of an ancient culture, and strip ore from their ship hulls. Join BOVRL. Blood Miners take SOV.-á |
Hyuni
Conqueror Worm Limited
2
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Posted - 2014.05.29 05:04:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Make up your mind.
Done.
Tippia wrote:So you agree, then, seeing as how you have nothing to offer but fallacies. Got it.
That must be an awful special filter you have on your screen to make words say what you want them to.
As for the abortion, I was just trying to speak your language. Sorry if I mispronounced it.
Thanks and goodnight! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22259
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Posted - 2014.05.29 05:07:00 -
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Hyuni wrote:That must be an awful special filter you have on your screen to make words say what you want them to. No. It's just plain old deduction: you immediately had to resort to fallacies. This happens when you have no proper argument. If you have no proper argument, it's because you know I'm right and you're just lashing out because you are desperate not to show it.
Quote:As for the abortion, I was just trying to speak your language. You should have tried actual logic instead, since that's what I listen to. But since you had to resort to a lack of it, I thank you for your support. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Hyuni
Conqueror Worm Limited
2
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Posted - 2014.05.29 05:10:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Hyuni wrote:That must be an awful special filter you have on your screen to make words say what you want them to. No. It's just plain old deduction: you immediately had to resort to fallacies. This happens when you have no proper argument. If you have no proper argument, it's because you know I'm right and you're just lashing out because you are desperate not to show it. Quote:As for the abortion, I was just trying to speak your language. You should have tried actual logic instead, since that's what I listen to. But since you had to resort to a lack of it, I thank you for your support.
It's clearly a special special world you live in. |
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
55
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Posted - 2014.05.29 05:10:00 -
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Why is it always Tippia at the end of every thread arguing(nonsensically) with everyone and claiming black is white? |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22259
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Posted - 2014.05.29 05:13:00 -
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Hyuni wrote:It's clearly a special special world you live in. No.
So you lied then.
Fabulous Rod wrote:Why is it always Tippia at the end of every thread arguing with everyone and saying black is white? Slight correction there. It's because they're in many ways each others' opposites and yet people want to equate them using all kinds of pretzel logic or fancy redefinitions of their meanings. I mainly just get annoyed with their nonsensical argumentation. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
55
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Posted - 2014.05.29 05:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote: It's because they're in many ways each others' opposites and yet people want to equate them using all kinds of pretzel logic or fancy redefinitions of their meanings. I mainly just get annoyed with their nonsensical argumentation.
Its funny becaus pretezel logic and personal definitions seem to be your specialty
I remember earlier you were trying to say that EVE doesn't condone scamming.
Tippia, you live on these forums and throw your worthless 2 cent into every thread. A logical conclusion is that you are just some stupid and pathetic person who can't have proper social life and can't admit when they are wrong or concede a point.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22259
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Posted - 2014.05.29 05:23:00 -
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Fabulous Rod wrote:Its funny becaus pretezel logic and personal definitions seem to be your specialty Do you have any examples of this?
Quote:I remember earlier you were trying to say that EVE doesn't condone scamming. Yes?
Quote:Tippia, you live on these forums and throw your worthless 2 cent into every thread. A logical conclusion is that GǪyou are fond of being wrong about many things.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Sibyyl
Brave Collective
1374
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Posted - 2014.05.29 05:25:00 -
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Fabulous Rod wrote:Tippia, you live on these forums and throw your worthless 2 cent into every thread. A logical conclusion is that you are just some stupid and pathetic person who can't have proper social life and can't admit when they are wrong or concede a point. Please read CCP's opinion on the matter. What point did you want her to concede? Travel to exotic solar systems, meet interesting and stimulating people of an ancient culture, and strip ore from their ship hulls. Join BOVRL. Blood Miners take SOV.-á |
Destoya
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
282
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Posted - 2014.05.29 05:58:00 -
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It's pretty amazing to me how many people completely misunderstood (and continue to misunderstand) the process of splitting the drone skills. While it didn't apply to most of my characters who have their drone skills maxed, I thought both the reasoning and what would actually happen to the skills was abundantly clear.
I must be missing something here though, since there have been countless pages, topics, and discussions about the subject, both here and in the game itself.... |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2781
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Posted - 2014.05.29 07:03:00 -
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Tronity Neutronux wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote: yes, and no word on SP reimbursement.
...and no word on Drone Link Augmentor II as well. Maybe there is a new skill that is required for that and gain some benefit from that. But without any official answer it's some kind of guesswork either to stop the skilling if you have one of the 2 skills already at V in hope to don't waste skill-time or not because Drone Link Augmentor II is still not mentioned.
DLA II requires Drone Avionics V. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10145
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Posted - 2014.05.29 07:04:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:DLA II requires Drone Avionics V. I guarantee you it won't. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Tronity Neutronux
Tontauben II
1
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Posted - 2014.05.29 07:09:00 -
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Destoya wrote:It's pretty amazing to me how many people completely misunderstood (and continue to misunderstand) the process of splitting the drone skills.
It's the dev-blogs fault. There are guys that trained both skills to V in the past (and used both skills in the past) that could savely ignore that (and seems to feel free for became busybody now). There was guys that trained Scout to V and was going to train Combat to V now. It seems that one wasted skilltime because they was already done with Scout drone at V and get trolled by the dev-blog. And there are guys (like me) that are still confused what to do. Combat Drones V is in my skillqueue because I still did not get an answer what happens to the Drone Link Augmentor II. If Scout Drones is getting renamed it does not look right to me that it includes the Drone Link Augmentor II. And even if Combat Drones becomes Medium Drones it sounds wrong. So are there just that 2 skills we are talking about? Which skills includes Drone Link Augmentor II in future? If those who only skilled Scout Drones to V are not able to use it after the update then those who skilled it right now just because of the dev-blog really did not waste skill-time. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4612
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Posted - 2014.05.29 07:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Hyuni wrote: I wasn't crying before
Incorrect. Quote:Please don't reproduce. Sod off you whingy entitled brat.
A thing of beauty is a joy forever "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2782
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Posted - 2014.05.29 07:21:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:DLA II requires Drone Avionics V. I guarantee you it won't.
I guarantee you it does. Right now. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
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