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Maximus Decimal
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2014.05.29 00:30:00 -
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I have been reading through some of the threads in W&T and it seem like there is always 'something' going on across the void from my home in the Amarr/Minmatar WZ. But aside from a few out of context snippets from the forums, and some (not so) recent articles/blogs I am almost completely unaware of the situation over there. So as the title suggests... Whats up in the Gallente/Caldari Zone at the moment? |
Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2014.05.29 00:38:00 -
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Gallente leadership are sniping at each in a private mailing list trying to see who is more important and relevant and why we can't ship into something beyond t1 cruisers or derptrons or shield AFs.... It's Uncle Perunga vs the militia at the moment. It's pretty funny.
Civil war may just happen....
Would you care to come back and fight us? :)
I think Gallente took a few more systems in the past week. But what else is new?
I hope large plexes will make things exciting with Kronos but we'll see.... High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve . |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2014.05.29 01:08:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:Civil war may just happen....
fight! fight! fight! fight! fight! fight!
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.05.29 02:04:00 -
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"I have no idea why you guys bother with this low level content ie fighting plex doctrine few months ago when i got us to tier 3 and was asking for a tier 4 push possible tier 5 you guys dint wana know now its justk blackfox sound the battle horns lets lock and load
Well have fun with it unless your gona go all the way and take every system then dont bother imo this is the issue with galmil the plex doctrine makes pilots think its ok to fly derp well lads it aint ok its fail i would rather whelp AF into derp fits hold feild then fly a derptron
so in future as i have more pressing matters to deal with ie real doctrines fights etc i ask that any deployemnt evemails be sent to Servilius Caepio who will head up C.Q.B plex fighting FC
and just so you dont think im a **** cause i know you guys will once you read this
When that justk pos was under attack it was C.Q.B that formed up to defend and then gave justk a pos in return some 300m per month liquid C.Q.B is here for the milita but im not gona lie i find very little interest in flying derp and blaping squids that are fail as ****
the CEO/FC of galmil should push bigger better doctrines not continue the new bro friendly derp doctrine you weaken our milita with this soft approuch FACT." - Anonymous Gallente FC
lol
Does anyone have any spare punctuation? Its an emergency! |
Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2014.05.29 02:17:00 -
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How long are we giving him before he emo rages and quits militia like every other FC who has tried to unite us scrubs?
High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve . |
Castnicke Rinah
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.05.29 06:23:00 -
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I say let him keep going. It's hilarous. |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2014.05.29 10:09:00 -
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This is like 2009 all over again
Thing is, everything has its place - from Derptrons upwards and no matter how hard you want or try you can not get people to change how hey want to play.
There is always the push to fly and use better and more expensive ships / doctrines etc within FW but because the playstyle of people is so varied its virtually impossible to enforce and manage.
God knows from my own experience we've tried over the years and you get labelled as elitist pr**** because you start to reject people into your fleets unless they not only have the right ship, but the right setup to go with it - if your interesting in not just fighting against the general caldari gangs but against the bigger entities in the area, ie Snuff Box etc then unless you are on your "A" game and have the right ships, fits, tactics etc you will get your arse handed to you every time by using kitchen sink fleets.
But, for most individuals this goes into the too hard pile as it requires omg, "effort".
Fair play to him for at least trying to do it and he does play and FC a ridiculous amount of hours every day, but all that will happen is that the pilots that are wiling to do it will gravitate towards joining his corp and the rest will slowly stop joining his fleets and carry on as normal. Before long he will notice that his fleets only consist of his corp members plus just 1 or 2 additional people.
Like I said at the beginning, everything has its place and for Gallente, either accept it and just go with it or try and do what Perunga is doing and end up alienating yourselves as being elitist pr**** |
Epikurus
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
21
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Posted - 2014.05.29 10:19:00 -
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I've never seen anything but unity and mutual backslapping from the Gals before so this is fun |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2014.05.29 10:21:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:
the CEO/FC of galmil should push bigger better doctrines not continue the new bro friendly derp doctrine you weaken our milita with this soft approuch FACT." - Anonymous Gallente FC
When did these elections take place and who is the Gal Mil CEO!! |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
245
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Posted - 2014.05.29 10:56:00 -
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What? Drama? In my EVE? NEVAR!
Nah, just the way things go sometimes. PERUNGA's a solid FC, and very good at his chosen style of play. It's not one that lends itself well to plex fighting, but he was there all weekend when we were pushing Kehjari and he's been along on the hub bashes as well. Can't blame the man for wanting to do something different.
The good news is that there's more than enough room in GalMIl for that. And he's right that Caldari can't really provide us the kinds of fights we need to get good with bigger and badder comps.
But hey, there's targets around here that can. |
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
923
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Posted - 2014.05.29 12:24:00 -
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Gallactica wrote:...but against the bigger entities in the area, ie Snuff Box etc...
Meanwhile snuff and their blue list has doubled in size.
Working as intended though. For F1 mashing line pilots that are fed up with t1 cruisers, theres always snuff to join and mash f1 in command ships vs t1 cruisers.
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Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.05.29 13:36:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:Gallente leadership are sniping at each in a private mailing list trying to see who is more important and relevant and why we can't ship into something beyond t1 cruisers or derptrons or shield AFs.... It's Uncle Perunga vs the militia at the moment. It's pretty funny.
Civil war may just happen....
Would you care to come back and fight us? :)
I think Gallente took a few more systems in the past week. But what else is new?
I hope large plexes will make things exciting with Kronos but we'll see....
Can i be invited to this mailing list. I feel that i have lots to contribute to it. Also it seems like i need a good laugh, my job be getting me down the last couple weeks. Blasters for life
https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
204
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Posted - 2014.05.29 13:49:00 -
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Maximus Decimal wrote:I have been reading through some of the threads in W&T and it seem like there is always 'something' going on across the void from my home in the Amarr/Minmatar WZ. But aside from a few out of context snippets from the forums, and some (not so) recent articles/blogs I am almost completely unaware of the situation over there. So as the title suggests... Whats up in the Gallente/Caldari Zone at the moment?
pew pew. BLFOX is currently recruiting |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2241
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Posted - 2014.05.29 13:59:00 -
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Gallactica wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:the CEO/FC of galmil should push bigger better doctrines not continue the new bro friendly derp doctrine you weaken our milita with this soft approuch FACT." - Anonymous Gallente FC When did these elections take place and who is the Gal Mil CEO!! Corbolia Palmezine I keep asking her to be a director so that I can kick certain corps out of Gallente Militia, but so far she's ignored me.
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Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
726
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Posted - 2014.05.29 14:41:00 -
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Phox Jorkarzul wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:Gallente leadership are sniping at each in a private mailing list trying to see who is more important and relevant and why we can't ship into something beyond t1 cruisers or derptrons or shield AFs.... It's Uncle Perunga vs the militia at the moment. It's pretty funny.
Civil war may just happen....
Would you care to come back and fight us? :)
I think Gallente took a few more systems in the past week. But what else is new?
I hope large plexes will make things exciting with Kronos but we'll see.... Can i be invited to this mailing list. I feel that i have lots to contribute to it. Also it seems like i need a good laugh, my job be getting me down the last couple weeks.
The email threads keep me entertained while I'm at work. My co-worker was wondering why I LOLed so hard yesterday at my desk. It was to difficult to explain to him about the politics and drama of this internet spaceship game I play....
High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve . |
Capitol One
Snuff Box
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Posted - 2014.05.29 15:50:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote: Meanwhile snuff and their blue list has doubled in size.
You referring to us blue-ing half the caldari militia in anticipation of us joining the state? |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
246
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Posted - 2014.05.29 15:59:00 -
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Capitol One wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote: Meanwhile snuff and their blue list has doubled in size.
You referring to us blue-ing half the caldari militia in anticipation of us joining the state? Now, THAT would be interesting. Wouldn't need to worry about a GalMil civil war then! |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2241
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Posted - 2014.05.29 16:17:00 -
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Capitol One wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Meanwhile snuff and their blue list has doubled in size. You referring to us blue-ing half the caldari militia in anticipation of us joining the state? I'm counting on Wex Manchester and his undying loyalty to the Republic to stop Snuff from selling out to the mega corporations. You can quit FW, but you never stop being a member of the Murientor Tribe! (how's that for rp ? Somebody please forward this to IGS) |
Stalence
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
19
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Posted - 2014.05.29 16:26:00 -
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Gallente made a successful push over US Memorial Day weekend to flip Kehjari and a few other less notable systems but our other primary staging systems are stable .
I can't speak for coalition level politics and I'm not really sure why Kehjari was as big a derp as it was. I know our Templis pilots were on board to support the coalition and D-Plex Kehjari and showed up to fight but that our pilots were increasingly growing frustrated with the doctrines and tactics being employed by the larger Cal Mil fleet trying to D-plex the system and fend off the Gals.
On a bright notes, Templis has added a few more corps to the alliance including a couple solid FCs and pilots. It seems that every night of the week now we have an organized and well run fleet.
It also seems that we've been running into Aideron Robotics more and more recently and having good fights. It's been nice to mix it up with a new opponent. |
Damen Apol
Dayman Industries
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Posted - 2014.05.29 16:43:00 -
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Stalence wrote:Gallente made a successful push over US Memorial Day weekend to flip Kehjari and a few other less notable systems but our other primary staging systems are stable .
I can't speak for coalition level politics and I'm not really sure why Kehjari was as big a derp as it was. I know our Templis pilots were on board to support the coalition and D-Plex Kehjari and showed up to fight but that our pilots were increasingly growing frustrated with the doctrines and tactics being employed by the larger Cal Mil fleet trying to D-plex the system and fend off the Gals.
On a bright notes, Templis has added a few more corps to the alliance including a couple solid FCs and pilots. It seems that every night of the week now we have an organized and well run fleet.
It also seems that we've been running into Aideron Robotics more and more recently and having good fights. It's been nice to mix it up with a new opponent.
Edit: I also forgot to mention we just recaptured Innia and Iralaja last night!
You get good fights from Aideron Robotics? Interesting.
They refused to engage me and my folk when it was 3v18 us them. |
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Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
246
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Posted - 2014.05.29 16:55:00 -
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Stalence wrote: I also forgot to mention we just recaptured Innia and Iralaja last night! Grats. Have fun with the 100AU+ warps in Innia again, assuming you plan to move out of Kinakka.
Been seeing you all more active lately, and that's definitely a good thing. Was getting a bit too quiet for too long, so Kehjari was nice to shake things up again.
I would really hope that the tension between Templis and Heiian doesn't get out of hand and cause another Caldari Civil War... |
Epikurus
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
21
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Posted - 2014.05.29 18:01:00 -
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Stalence wrote:
I can't speak for coalition level politics and I'm not really sure why Kehjari was as big a derp as it was. I know our Templis pilots were on board to support the coalition and D-Plex Kehjari and showed up to fight but that our pilots were increasingly growing frustrated with the doctrines and tactics being employed by the larger Cal Mil fleet trying to D-plex the system and fend off the Gals.
a) Kehjari was the opposite of a big derp. It was the most effective system defence the militia has run for a long time. Unfortunately DUST gifted the Gallente 20% system control that we had no control over and that proved decisive.
b) No idea why your pilots would be frustrated with the doctrines. They were very successful and held the field all through Saturday and into Sunday evening.
Veskrashen wrote:Indeed - props for getting your logistics more in line, that made a big difference on Saturday. Interdicting the Eha - Kehj route made things tough for a bit until you lost the overwhelming numbers advantage. We're rather flattered that you copied our Kestrel and Corm doctrines - you forced us to go old school on Sunday.
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
The caldari did a better job reshipping in Kehjari and contesting plexes than they have in any other offensive/defensive system push I have ever taken part in.
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Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
246
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Posted - 2014.05.29 18:11:00 -
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DUST wasn't a decisive factor in our favor. It had decayed to about 12% by the time we flipped it Sunday night. Caldari had simply given up by then.
If you all gave up because of DUST, that's a different story. |
Epikurus
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
21
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Posted - 2014.05.29 18:24:00 -
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Veskrashen wrote:DUST wasn't a decisive factor in our favor. It had decayed to about 12% by the time we flipped it Sunday night. Caldari had simply given up by then.
If you all gave up because of DUST, that's a different story.
Through Saturday up to the point we stopped the op DUST moved from 0% to 20% in your favour. When we called it you were on 92% and DUST was sitting at 20%; we had no reason to expect it to do anything other than follow the trend and give you another 5% in the next few hours, after which we would be into your uncontested AU tz. If you take DUST out of the equation there is certainly no way we would have called off the defence at 72%.
It might be said it was an error of judgement to call the op at 92% when there was a possibility that DUST would start to swing the other way (as it in fact did). On the other hand, carrying on an operation when ongoing success or failure was dependent on a factor completely outside our control and trending against us was not appealing. So I'm comfortable saying that DUST was the decisive factor. If DUST was not a thing it is unlikely the system would have flipped and certain it would not have flipped until late Monday at the earliest. |
Terbulus
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.05.29 18:46:00 -
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This thread is relevant to my interests. |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2014.05.29 19:04:00 -
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Epikurus wrote: To add some numbers to that:
In the 36 hours of fighting between 1500 on Saturday and the defence being called off system control moved from 56% contested to 92% contested, a 36% swing.
Of the 36% swing, 20% came from DUST, 16% came from action in space.
Of the 16% that came from action in space 10% came from the AU tz and only 6% came from plex losses during contested periods.
Without DUST the system would have been at 72% on Monday morning c. 0300 eve time with 16% progress made and 28% still to take to flip it. Taking DUST out would have made the situation look very different to us and, I suspect, to you as well.
You misunderstand how DUST contested percentage works. it affects total number of points required to put the system vulnerable, not the contested percentage itself.
Moving from 56% control at 0% DUST (1680 out of 3000 required) to 92% at 20% DUST (2200 of 2400 required) is different from moving from 1680/3000 to 2760/3000.
This is also easily seen on Dotlan, which shows not only the total points towards contested but also the threshold for vulnerable.
But hey. you want to bail early, no problem from our end. Made the extra 4 hours of plexing rather boring though - had to gank an ice miner and listen to his whining in local to keep amused. |
Epikurus
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
21
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Posted - 2014.05.29 19:08:00 -
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Terbulus wrote:This thread is relevant to my interests.
*edit* all system control percentages aside, the fact remains that caldari were getting cur stomped in practically every engagement due to being unable to find a counter to a Tristan/navotas fleet
Not really true. The tristan/navi fleet came out late in the second day and we certainly hadn't been getting stomped up to that point. You're right that we did need to find a counter to it but the problem was that at 92% it didn't look like we reasonably had time to work one out and bring the supplies in, especially with the next AU tz being fairly close.
Next time round we'll have a counter in our toolbox from the start |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
246
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Posted - 2014.05.29 19:11:00 -
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Epikurus wrote:Terbulus wrote:This thread is relevant to my interests.
*edit* all system control percentages aside, the fact remains that caldari were getting cur stomped in practically every engagement due to being unable to find a counter to a Tristan/navotas fleet Not really true. The tristan/navi fleet came out late in the second day and we certainly hadn't been getting stomped up to that point. You're right that we did need to find a counter to it but the problem was that at 92% it didn't look like we reasonably had time to work one out and bring the supplies in, especially with the next AU tz being fairly close. Next time round we'll have a counter in our toolbox from the start Must be different timezones then. We broke it out early afternoon USTZ around the low 80s, and it took us all the way home from there.
Look forward to seeing your counter next go-around.
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Epikurus
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
21
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Posted - 2014.05.29 19:17:00 -
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Veskrashen wrote: You misunderstand how DUST contested percentage works. it affects total number of points required to put the system vulnerable, not the contested percentage itself.
Moving from 56% control at 0% DUST (1680 out of 3000 required) to 92% at 20% DUST (2200 of 2400 required) is different from moving from 1680/3000 to 2760/3000.
This is also easily seen on Dotlan, which shows not only the total points towards contested but also the threshold for vulnerable.
But hey. you want to bail early, no problem from our end. Made the extra 4 hours of plexing rather boring though - had to gank an ice miner and listen to his whining in local to keep amused.
You're right, I'm not entirely clear on the DUST mechanics but from what you say it still looks like in space stuff got you 520 points towards victory while DUST moved you 600 points closer, which puts my figures off slightly but not too much. I need to look more closely at the precise way it works obviously.
On a side note, I had an alt there and watched some of the chat with the miner. Was very amusing |
Stalence
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
19
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Posted - 2014.05.29 20:33:00 -
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Veskrashen wrote:Stalence wrote: I also forgot to mention we just recaptured Innia and Iralaja last night! Grats. Have fun with the 100AU+ warps in Innia again, assuming you plan to move out of Kinakka. Been seeing you all more active lately, and that's definitely a good thing. Was getting a bit too quiet for too long, so Kehjari was nice to shake things up again. I would really hope that the tension between Templis and Heiian doesn't get out of hand and cause another Caldari Civil War...
Mostly just a moral victory and allows us to free some assets up that were stuck there. Don't plan on moving back anytime soon. |
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