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Yuliz Stareine
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.29 02:27:00 -
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Hi. I'm new to EVE, but have read and followed along some of the metagaming for a couple of years. What interested me more than anything was the market system. So I installed the game this weekend, pitted around with the new player missions, and got a feel for the UI. Anyhow, to leave out most of my gushing remarks about how beutiful the sandbox is to a newbie, I found out that the optimal setup for trading in the major stations is to have perfect (10?) standing with the owner's faction and corporation along with the accounting and broker relations skills I have already begun to train up. If the 2011 guide I read is still accurate, that means I am seeking said standing with the Caldari and their navy agents.
So while I wait for the latter skills to complete, i'm looking for any kind of efficient means of getting those standings. Bear in mind that I'm only capable of flying a basic frigate ship and don't have much in the way of mechanical or engineering skills and the like since I am focused on getting those important trade skills trained. Ultimately I'd like to spend all day in a station or two playing on the market so to the extent that it is possible I would like to avoid training other skills for now.
Thus far my googling has not turned up much that I can readily access except for level 1 missions which aren't moving the standing number up much at all. Another forum post I found here indicated that factional warfare also raises standings, but I don't know how that mechanic works. I found an excellent post called the "faction repair plan," or something which was very helpful but seemed to indicate doing missions that were well beyond my capabilities.
At this point I am a bit miffed, though I understand that all gaming has an element of grinding to it. By my estimation there would appear to be several thousand missions in my future if I want to attain the standings I seek with the skill set I will have in under a month's training time. So without undue solipsism, I have to ask you veterans: is there a better way to build this mouse-trap or have a set an unrealistic goal for myself? I've seen some characters previously advertised on the bazaar subforum that have low skillpoints and very high standings. I don't know how this is done, but I would like to think it indicates some hope for me yet.
Sorry to be so long winded! Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2995
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Posted - 2014.05.29 03:20:00 -
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Google COSMOS missions for some help with this goal.
Also give up on the whole 'must be 10.0' thing. I have high standings for a trader, and mine are only about 7 (with Gallente faction) and 6 (Sisters of EVE). I do have >9.85 with the main corporations I use, however, as that is a lot faster to get. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
767
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Posted - 2014.05.29 04:13:00 -
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The fastest way is probably faction warfare. If you can blitz level 4 FW missions, you get promotions very quickly, which provide a pretty big faction boost. It will trash your standings with the opposing factions, however. "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
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Posted - 2014.05.29 06:39:00 -
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Perfect (or even close to it) standings are not necessary to trade, though they are certainly helpful. You'll want at least enough to "take the edge off" which should be easily accomplished with some of the above COSMOS missions and data centers. Time and isk investment for both should be minimal. |
Mark Sviridoff
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.29 07:16:00 -
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Faction warefare will make half of the Eve your enemy. Who can shot you even in high sec without CONCORD interferience. Which means serious problem with logistic. So ono your place I would forget about FW and go do tutorial missions for each 12 sets of agents in Eve.
Do not forget, that you will always lose some minor standing against gallente and minmatar when you gain some standings for caldary and amarr. But you will lose much more standings if you will do security missions against other faction (like killing amarr ships for minmatar missions). Yet security missions is the best way to grind standings after you finish tutorial grind. Each 10 missions in tutorial gives you standing and each 16 missions of other kind will also give you standing. Security misssions gives the most. Then mining missions, distribution missions give you least standing, but it is faster to finish 16 distribution missions, then 16 security missions.
My suggestions: 1. go to following systems and do all tutorial there: Amarr Deepari Pasha Conoban
Caldari Uitra Jouvulen Akiainavas
Gallente Couster Clellinon Trossere
Minmatar Hadaugago Malukker Embod
dotlan map is your friend here
2. go to Simela and start doing Sisters of Eve security missions in there. Most profit via SoE loyalty points and each 16 missions you will get standings for your faction. Ignore any mission, that will require to kill faction NPC
eve survival is you friend here
3. after you home standings will get high enough do COSMOS missions to get standings for the other factions. You should be able to do so, sinse security missions for SoE will give you enough PVE combat experience. |
Tam Arai
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.29 09:58:00 -
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as already advised, blasting through cosmos and lv4 missions is the fastest way.
however, if i'm reading your post correctly, you don't want to spend all the time skilling up to be able to do those missions quickly. Instead you should look in to the distribution missions- as a trader/ industrialist having the ability to move goods will be useful and its fairly quick to do each mission.
also train some social skills to help your standing to increase quicker |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2265
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Posted - 2014.05.29 10:44:00 -
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wait -- don't (market) taxes work the same way as most of the others --> 6.67 and you're at zero (for that half, still need accounting/broker relations/etc)? One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1337
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Posted - 2014.05.29 10:54:00 -
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Every 6 months you can do the SoE Epic Arc
you can use this to give yourself a small top-up to whichever faction you have the lowest standing with as there are no negative standing adjustments for other factions
I know it's not 'fast' , but little in eve that's worth doing is |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2999
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Posted - 2014.05.29 11:15:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:wait -- don't (market) taxes work the same way as most of the others --> 6.67 and you're at zero (for that half, still need accounting/broker relations/etc)?
No.
IIRC, adding 14 points of corp standing halves your broker fees without limit, and adding 6 points of faction standing does the same. (Logarithmic scale). https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
Miriya Zakalwe
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
139
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Posted - 2014.05.29 11:40:00 -
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If you have a lot of cash and only care about one racial faction, joining a militia and buying FW mission standings turnin is extremely fast. You also get a ton of LP which you can turn back into cash to offset the spend, and then leave FW. With enough cash you should be able to max racial faction quickly.
This will destroy your standings with their enemy, though. |
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gfldex
699
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Posted - 2014.05.29 11:49:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:wait -- don't (market) taxes work the same way as most of the others --> 6.67 and you're at zero (for that half, still need accounting/broker relations/etc)?
no
BrokerFee % = (1.000 % GÇô 0.050 % +ù BrokerRelationsSkillLevel) / 2 ^ (0.1400 +ù FactionStanding + 0.06000 +ù CorporationStanding)
You need both faction and corp standing at 10 to have 0 broker fee. If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
499
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Posted - 2014.05.29 11:58:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:Every 6 months you can do the SoE Epic Arc *3 months* |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
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Posted - 2014.05.29 13:16:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:Every 6 months you can do the SoE Epic Arc *3 months*
really ?
lol, I thought it was on a 6 month cycle
makes the process slightly faster then |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
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Posted - 2014.05.29 13:16:00 -
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gfldex wrote:Velicitia wrote:wait -- don't (market) taxes work the same way as most of the others --> 6.67 and you're at zero (for that half, still need accounting/broker relations/etc)? no BrokerFee % = (1.000 % GÇô 0.050 % +ù BrokerRelationsSkillLevel) / 2 ^ (0.1400 +ù FactionStanding + 0.06000 +ù CorporationStanding) You need both faction and corp standing at 10 to have 0 broker fee.
yay for maths \o/ One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2014.05.29 13:40:00 -
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Quote:What is the fastest possible way to get high standing with a faction? This
(I cannot believe no one linked the faction standing repair plan. )
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Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.05.29 14:30:00 -
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1) Pick a corporation to raise standings with 2) Get 1000 of your closest friends to do security missions 3) Share rewards 4) ??? 5) Profit! |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
769
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Posted - 2014.05.29 14:46:00 -
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Quote:Faction warefare will make half of the Eve your enemy. Who can shot you even in high sec without CONCORD interferience. Which means serious problem with logistic. So ono your place I would forget about FW and go do tutorial missions for each 12 sets of agents in Eve.
If you just want the standings, you join that faction, run a few missions, and then leave FW. The rate at which you can run FW missions, and the size of the boosts you get from promotions, makes it really quite without equal for quickly raising standings.
http://imgur.com/Q3fer2U
(I was already at rank 3, so the first/smallest adjustment is 3->4 and the largest was 8-9).
All told, those took about 3 or 4 hours of work, and the adjustments are basically enormous compared to pretty much anything except an epic arc.
The only real hitch is that you need, or at least really, really want, a stealth bomber, but if you can fulfill that criteria, FW promotions will absolutely crush any other means of raising standing that I'm aware of, in terms of adjustment-for-time-invested. "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
486
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Posted - 2014.05.29 15:09:00 -
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gfldex wrote:Velicitia wrote:wait -- don't (market) taxes work the same way as most of the others --> 6.67 and you're at zero (for that half, still need accounting/broker relations/etc)? no BrokerFee % = (1.000 % GÇô 0.050 % +ù BrokerRelationsSkillLevel) / 2 ^ (0.1400 +ù FactionStanding + 0.06000 +ù CorporationStanding) You need both faction and corp standing at 10 to have 0 broker fee. Nitpick: While the formula is correct, the lowest possible broker fee is 0.1875% (with max standings and skill), not 0. And yes, you do need both standings at 10 for the 0.1875% broker fee.
With both standings at 9, it's 0.2154%, which might or might not be worth the long grind to 10. (It takes nine time as long to get from 5 to 9.99 than from 0 to 5.) |
Miriya Zakalwe
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
139
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Posted - 2014.05.29 15:41:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Quote:Faction warefare will make half of the Eve your enemy. Who can shot you even in high sec without CONCORD interferience. Which means serious problem with logistic. So ono your place I would forget about FW and go do tutorial missions for each 12 sets of agents in Eve. OP's subject: What is the fastest possible way to get high standings with a faction? If you just want the standings, you join that faction, run a few missions, and then leave FW. Then, you join the allied faction, and do the same. The rate at which you can run FW missions, and the size of the boosts you get from promotions, makes it really quite without equal for quickly raising standings. http://imgur.com/Q3fer2U(I was already at rank 3, so the first/smallest adjustment is 3->4 and the largest was 8-9). All told, those took about 3 or 4 hours of work, and the adjustments are basically enormous compared to pretty much anything except an epic arc. The only real hitch is that you need, or at least really, really want, a stealth bomber, but if you can fulfill that criteria, FW promotions will absolutely crush any other means of raising standing that I'm aware of, in terms of adjustment-for-time-invested.
Yeah. Actually running FW missions are much faster than the epic arc, even. If cash is no object and you don't care about the opposing or pirate factions, buying FW standing turnins is the fastest way to go by a long shot. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
771
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Posted - 2014.05.29 17:59:00 -
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Miriya Zakalwe wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Quote:Faction warefare will make half of the Eve your enemy. Who can shot you even in high sec without CONCORD interferience. Which means serious problem with logistic. So ono your place I would forget about FW and go do tutorial missions for each 12 sets of agents in Eve. OP's subject: What is the fastest possible way to get high standings with a faction? If you just want the standings, you join that faction, run a few missions, and then leave FW. Then, you join the allied faction, and do the same. The rate at which you can run FW missions, and the size of the boosts you get from promotions, makes it really quite without equal for quickly raising standings. http://imgur.com/Q3fer2U(I was already at rank 3, so the first/smallest adjustment is 3->4 and the largest was 8-9). All told, those took about 3 or 4 hours of work, and the adjustments are basically enormous compared to pretty much anything except an epic arc. The only real hitch is that you need, or at least really, really want, a stealth bomber, but if you can fulfill that criteria, FW promotions will absolutely crush any other means of raising standing that I'm aware of, in terms of adjustment-for-time-invested. Yeah. Actually running FW missions are much faster than the epic arc, even. If cash is no object and you don't care about the opposing or pirate factions, buying FW standing turnins is the fastest way to go by a long shot.
Yep, it's really not even close. Just extrapolating from my own bumps, going from rank 1 to rank 10 within a militia should take a character from 0 standing to right around 7, and is something that could be accomplished in a matter of hours. "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Greg Erata
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.29 19:21:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote: Just extrapolating from my own bumps, going from rank 1 to rank 10 within a militia should take a character from 0 standing to right around 7, and is something that could be accomplished in a matter of hours.
Can you elaborate on the procedure here? |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
772
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Posted - 2014.05.29 19:57:00 -
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Greg Erata wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote: Just extrapolating from my own bumps, going from rank 1 to rank 10 within a militia should take a character from 0 standing to right around 7, and is something that could be accomplished in a matter of hours.
Can you elaborate on the procedure here?
This is pretty much the whole procedure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4sYD0PnqxA
The promotions will come automatically as you hand in missions and will carry sizeable faction standings adjustments with them - looks like each successive rank provides an adjustment of about .42 + 2*rank percent. "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Greg Erata
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.05.29 20:45:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:This is pretty much the whole procedure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4sYD0PnqxAThe promotions will come automatically as you hand in missions and will carry sizeable faction standings adjustments with them - looks like each successive rank provides an adjustment of about .42 + 2*rank percent. My first "lap" was 12-13x level 3 missions, took about one hour, and provided 3 promotions on handin. The second lap was a mix of level 3s and level 4s, took 2-3 hours, and also provided 3 promotions.
Interesting. Thank you. |
Miriya Zakalwe
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
139
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Posted - 2014.05.29 22:51:00 -
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Greg Erata wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:This is pretty much the whole procedure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4sYD0PnqxAThe promotions will come automatically as you hand in missions and will carry sizeable faction standings adjustments with them - looks like each successive rank provides an adjustment of about .42 + 2*rank percent. My first "lap" was 12-13x level 3 missions, took about one hour, and provided 3 promotions on handin. The second lap was a mix of level 3s and level 4s, took 2-3 hours, and also provided 3 promotions. Interesting. Thank you.
Then my addition to his point was you don't even have to run the missions. If your faction is at a high tier, just joining FW, going in to militia chat and asking if anyone is selling mission standing turnins is usually enough. They will then fleet you up and you pay them per mission turnin, for which you get faction and half the LP. At tier 4, for L5 missions this is close to 40k LP a pop for half the mission reward, which you then can buy items and sell to convert back to ISK.
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Greg Erata
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.05.30 01:21:00 -
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Miriya Zakalwe wrote:Greg Erata wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:This is pretty much the whole procedure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4sYD0PnqxAThe promotions will come automatically as you hand in missions and will carry sizeable faction standings adjustments with them - looks like each successive rank provides an adjustment of about .42 + 2*rank percent. My first "lap" was 12-13x level 3 missions, took about one hour, and provided 3 promotions on handin. The second lap was a mix of level 3s and level 4s, took 2-3 hours, and also provided 3 promotions. Interesting. Thank you. Then my addition to his point was you don't even have to run the missions. If your faction is at a high tier, just joining FW, going in to militia chat and asking if anyone is selling mission standing turnins is usually enough. They will then fleet you up and you pay them per mission turnin, for which you get faction and half the LP. At tier 4, for L5 missions this is close to 40k LP a pop for half the mission reward, which you then can buy items and sell to convert back to ISK.
My that sounds nice. Is there a public channel for said service? |
Miriya Zakalwe
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
139
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Posted - 2014.05.30 02:33:00 -
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Greg Erata wrote:Miriya Zakalwe wrote:Greg Erata wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:This is pretty much the whole procedure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4sYD0PnqxAThe promotions will come automatically as you hand in missions and will carry sizeable faction standings adjustments with them - looks like each successive rank provides an adjustment of about .42 + 2*rank percent. My first "lap" was 12-13x level 3 missions, took about one hour, and provided 3 promotions on handin. The second lap was a mix of level 3s and level 4s, took 2-3 hours, and also provided 3 promotions. Interesting. Thank you. Then my addition to his point was you don't even have to run the missions. If your faction is at a high tier, just joining FW, going in to militia chat and asking if anyone is selling mission standing turnins is usually enough. They will then fleet you up and you pay them per mission turnin, for which you get faction and half the LP. At tier 4, for L5 missions this is close to 40k LP a pop for half the mission reward, which you then can buy items and sell to convert back to ISK. My that sounds nice. Is there a public channel for said service?
I am sure there are lots of corps that exist to do this because it is a win/win thing; the mission runners get to immediately convert half their LP directly to ISK.
I'd start by asking in militia chat. Expect it to run about 40-50M ISK per turning.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
26469
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Posted - 2014.05.30 21:53:00 -
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OK, I read this whole thread and there's some incorrect statements being placed as fact.
Yes it's true that Factional Warfare will quickly raise your Faction standing but as someone else already stated, it will quickly lower the Faction standing of enemy Factions as well, not to mention make you a viable target to others, even in high security.
As for fleeting up with someone else running a mission in order to gain Faction standing, that won't work. Faction standing can not be shared. Only the character who accepts and completes the Agent's mission will get the Faction standing increase.
Of course the OP will need to have some Offensive and Defensive skills trained up to even run those missions. Doing Factional Warfare is a no-go for the OP since he already stated his character is strictly Industrial / Trader.
The OP also mentioned glancing at 'The Plan' which someone linked. Seems to me he didn't take the time to actually read it. Also somebody else advised him to do all of the Career Agent missions which is definitely good advice and listed in the first steps of 'The Plan'..
Quote:The fastest way to gain Faction standing for a non-combat character is to do the Data Center Tag missions. Don't need any combat skills or combat ship, just ISK.
The Social and Connections skills should be trained up first before doing those missions in order to receive max standing gains.
DMC Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
785
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Posted - 2014.05.30 22:02:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:
As for fleeting up and gaining Faction standing, that won't work. Faction standing can not be shared. Only the character who accepts and completes the Agent's mission will get the Faction standing increase.
The faction standing adjustments do not come from the mission completion. They come from the promotion. The promotions, IIRC, are tied to your corporation standing. So, unless corp standing cannot be shared, what they described should work, as the promotion itself is granting the faction standing. "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Greg Erata
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.05.31 02:55:00 -
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Just did the FW mission sharing bit tonight and I can confirm that faction standing is gained via promotion. Also standing isn't lost upon leaving FW (or joining the allied FW corp after that). Based on my projections I assume the described FW method is indeed far and away the easiest and fastest method of gaining cal/amarr OR min/gal standing (assuming one is not concerned with the losses to the opposing factions). Best guess would be that doing this with amarr followed by amarr data center, followed by caldari fw, followed by caldari datacenters would give around 7 or 8 standing with the caldari which would be ideal for jita and amarr traders. Bolstering caldari navy standing in addition would simply require hiring corp standing service or clever use of courier missions.
So while I certainly agree that OP should look to The Plan for guidance based on his own needs, the method described here is sound so far as I can tell and certainly a good bet for traders who want quick and dirty in standing with their one and only station home. |
Miriya Zakalwe
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
144
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Posted - 2014.05.31 05:36:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: As for fleeting up with someone else running a mission in order to gain Faction standing, that won't work. Faction standing can not be shared. Only the character who accepts and completes the Agent's mission will get the Faction standing increase.
Incorrect. In fact, Pauli-quote "not even wrong" :)
This is an *extremely* common and well known method. The empire standings gains come from promotion; you share the corp standings gains too, which is why most people do this (to get to corp standing 5.0 to open up L4 FW missions).
DeMichael Crimson wrote: The Social and Connections skills should be trained up first before doing those missions in order to receive max standing gains.
Definitely, and Security Connections for the FW turnin/missioning route. Take them all to III or IV before doing this.
Edit:
SurrenderMonkey wrote: Specifically with regard to FW missions, it absolutely should work.
The faction standing adjustments do not come from the mission completion. They come from the promotion. The promotions, IIRC, are tied to your corporation standing. So, unless corp standing cannot be shared (and I'm pretty sure they can, IIRC plenty of people grind up their alt's corp standings for refining, etc., in precisely this way), what they described should work, as the promotion itself is granting the faction standing, and is actually from an independent source.
So, shared mission grant corporation standing, getting a full point of corporation standing yields a promotion, and a promotion yields faction standing.
slipped by a more complete explanation :) |
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