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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:26:00 -
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OT Smithers wrote:The typical Caldari pilot, having no hybrid skills or gunnery skills to speak of, is looking at five or six months to use this ship properly. It's ridiculous. Eh, what?
Assuming we use T2 as some silly (and rather incorrect) measure of GǣproperlyGǥ, that'sGǪ
Small, Medium, Large hybrids, Gunnery, Motion Prediction and Sharpshooter to V (14 ranks, 3.6M SP) Small, Medium, and Large Blaster/Rail spec to IV (32 ranks, 1.5M SP) The remaining support skills to IV (13 ranks, 0.6M SP)
That 5.6M SP total to train, which can be done in less than 90 days. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
87
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:34:00 -
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To be fair, it was terrible as a missile boat.
Oops I moved, sorry, your 8 torps just caused 60 damage to my Claymore. Anastasia -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á Dominique-á-á Mashie -á-á Monica |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
89
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:47:00 -
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I'll be getting one of each for hangar decor, hopefully they are also worth flying. |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
250
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:50:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:From what they're saying, CCP has nerfed the torpedos right out of the Naga, rendering it solely a gunboat now. Personally, my only interest in it was as a torpedo platform... with this change I personally have completely lost interest in the ship. This isn't a whine or complaint... it simply isn't a direction I wish to go in.
How about the rest of you... you prefer the Naga as solely a gunboat, or are your dreams of a torpedo launcher now as dead as your interest in the ship?
Agreed!
Why are there TWO blaster boats when CCP Tallest says that Blaster still aren't fixed ...
I REALLY wanted a TORP boat! Repair Drones should be able to repair anyone ... really, they should. -áThink of them as the first targetable subsystem if you're worried about PvP and for missions if someone wants Rep drones over a flight of Hobs, who cares. -áThere is no reasonable objection here other than it's always been that way (so was RR until recently). |
Just Lilly
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:51:00 -
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Put a SB with scan res script and a AB on you raven and you'll have a Ranaga |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
143
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:54:00 -
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Thank you CCP for officially recognizing that torpedoes suck.
As I'm currently in a Hurricane (I spent about 2 weeks training all T1 turrets plus gunnery skills to 4), I'm more likely to be in a Tornado than a Naga now. |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
88
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Posted - 2011.11.18 00:27:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Thank you CCP for officially recognizing that torpedoes suck.
As I'm currently in a Hurricane (I spent about 2 weeks training all T1 turrets plus gunnery skills to 4), I'm more likely to be in a Tornado than a Naga now. I'm glad that you finally have seen the light. Anastasia -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á Dominique-á-á Mashie -á-á Monica |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
184
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Posted - 2011.11.18 00:34:00 -
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10 bucks says those things would have been bigger lagtastics than Drakes and that's the real reason why they yanked the missiles launchers.
It would take too long to gank Hulks with them.
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Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
120
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Posted - 2011.11.18 00:57:00 -
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Doesn't the Tengu have a hybrid subsystem?[/quote] not even worth mentioning.
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Amsterdam Conversations
Cheesecake Starshine
59
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Posted - 2011.11.18 01:03:00 -
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I was having great fun with it having torps on. You could literally fit anything to it, 2 jammers, web+scram, tracking disruptor... But oh well. |
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Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
58
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Posted - 2011.11.18 01:06:00 -
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Naga has a spinning radar. It is officially one of the best ships in the game. |
Kietay Ayari
Monopoly Money Operations
45
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Posted - 2011.11.18 01:29:00 -
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I was sad that it lost its torpedoes and I would have hoped it got a full bonus for both weapon systems. But if it is between split bonuses or the pure rail platform it is now... I will take what it is now! :D Ferox #1 |
Cambarus
Clearly Compensating
29
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Posted - 2011.11.18 02:19:00 -
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ITT a bunch of people complain that the naga got a boost that makes it arguably the best sniping ship in the game. |
St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
150
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Posted - 2011.11.18 05:22:00 -
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But I wanted selectable damage typessss Q_Q (Also I already had T2 Torps trained! My brilliant plans have been foiled!) |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
336
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Posted - 2011.11.18 06:33:00 -
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As it is right now the Naga can put out the same amount of DPS the Rokh can, with less mags. And nearly as far as the Rokh as well.
Oh, and its a RAIL platform. The talos, afaik, is a BLASTER platform. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Written Word
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
130
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Posted - 2011.11.18 06:39:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:As it is right now the Naga can put out the same amount of DPS the Rokh can, with less mags. And nearly as far as the Rokh as well.
Oh, and its a RAIL platform. The talos, afaik, is a BLASTER platform.
Because the Rokh is the DPS yardstick that all of EVE compares itself too. Right?
Right?
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Onictus
Legendary Knights Vorpal's Edge
32
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Posted - 2011.11.18 06:43:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:As it is right now the Naga can put out the same amount of DPS the Rokh can, with less mags. And nearly as far as the Rokh as well.
Oh, and its a RAIL platform. The talos, afaik, is a BLASTER platform.
Oddly it'll still be a better blaster ship than Talos will, something about an added 10km with blasters over its Gallente counterpart.
If is was going to use rails (lol yeah right) Id use Talos for that, tracking + damage is superior for big rails that can hit to lock with short range ammo anyway.
However, I'm a split Gallente/Matar pilot, so I'll be in a Tornado if I'm in any tier 3.....only way to be sure. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
336
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Posted - 2011.11.18 06:45:00 -
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Written Word wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:As it is right now the Naga can put out the same amount of DPS the Rokh can, with less mags. And nearly as far as the Rokh as well.
Oh, and its a RAIL platform. The talos, afaik, is a BLASTER platform. Because the Rokh is the DPS yardstick that all of EVE compares itself too. Right? Right?
So you would say that would it be perfectly fine for me to compare the Naga with the Maelstrom? Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
131
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Posted - 2011.11.18 06:46:00 -
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I could care less
TORNADO BABY CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Kietay Ayari
Monopoly Money Operations
45
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Posted - 2011.11.18 07:19:00 -
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I bet the Naga will beat all the others because it is Caldari engineering and I think we all know that means best engineering ;D Ferox #1 |
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
336
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Posted - 2011.11.18 07:43:00 -
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Kietay Ayari wrote:I bet the Naga will beat all the others because it is Caldari engineering and I think we all know that means best engineering ;D
Oh i see what you did there!
/me does House's "I see what you did there!" face. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Botleten
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2011.11.18 07:48:00 -
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If you want a missile boat for pve, theres already the drake, tengu, and raven which do the job more efficiently than the Naga would have anyways. If you want missiles for pvp, then you're an idiot because missiles are horrible for pvp. Im glad its a hybrid platform, as it may actually have some usefulness rather than being yet another missile boat thats not even as effective as the ones already available. |
Zions Child
Odyssey Inc SpaceMonkey's Alliance
133
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Posted - 2011.11.18 08:38:00 -
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You know what? I have more SP in gunnery skills than in missle skills, and I'm an '06 Caldari pilot, and I tend to fly just Caldari ships. I can't wait for the Naga, I'm going to have so much fun with a real rail platform. |
Kietay Ayari
Monopoly Money Operations
45
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Posted - 2011.11.18 08:57:00 -
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The Rokh will be good after the update too Zions ;D Teamwork is the Caldari way! Ferox #1 |
Written Word
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
131
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Posted - 2011.11.18 09:10:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Written Word wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:As it is right now the Naga can put out the same amount of DPS the Rokh can, with less mags. And nearly as far as the Rokh as well.
Oh, and its a RAIL platform. The talos, afaik, is a BLASTER platform. Because the Rokh is the DPS yardstick that all of EVE compares itself too. Right? Right? So you would say that would it be perfectly fine for me to compare the Naga with the Maelstrom?
Saying its almost as good as one of the worst DPS dealing battleships in the game isn't a point in the favor.
The Rokh is a terrible ship, and having a pocket sized one of those won't make it anything in this game better. The hybrid Naga won't deal the damage of the Talos, it won't have the damage projection of the Oracle/Tornado. If you are feeling stupid, I suppose you could try sniping in it, but with the lowest alpha and the current state of scan probing, do you really think this is a good idea?
With torps, you could have gotten a massive gank platform with decent range and changeable damage types. Easily the best anti-capital one of the bunch. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
224
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Posted - 2011.11.18 09:44:00 -
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Written Word wrote:
The hybrid Naga won't deal the damage of the Talos,
Its very close, and more agile than the talos, AND holds a better buffer tank while doing it.
Written Word wrote: it won't have the damage projection of the Oracle/Tornado.
The tornado is ****, put it out of your mind for damage projection, it struggles to even fit a full 1400 kit.
The Oracle holds about 500 dps at 170km, while the Naga holds nearly 600 dps at 190km, meaning its using a higher damage ammo at 170km and out dpsing the oracle at the same range as the oracles max
Written Word wrote: If you are feeling stupid, I suppose you could try sniping in it, but with the lowest alpha and the current state of scan probing, do you really think this is a good idea?
Yes, its literally the best sniper in the game right now, you load antimatter and shoot for anything under 130km.
If your only metric of what makes a long range ship good is alpha then you are sorely misinformed on what makes a ship good, the Naga is one of the better of the new BC's, its a split between the Naga and the Oracle right now.
You'd know that if you spent any time on the test server trying things but instead your on EVE O making terrible posts.
Written Word wrote:
With torps, you could have gotten a massive gank platform with decent range and changeable damage types. Easily the best anti-capital one of the bunch.
But it somehow missed your notice that there aren't any 8 torp launching platforms ANYWHERE in the game right now, and you don't see it as odd that the first one they might introduce was a battlecruiser?
They weren't going to make it better than the Raven or Golem, and it would have been had this change gone through, infact, it would have had the firepower greater than a navy raven with its old layout, and thats kinda broken in too many ways. |
Kietay Ayari
Monopoly Money Operations
45
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Posted - 2011.11.18 09:56:00 -
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I like your support of the Naga, Grath. But I have a question for you! Not that I am saying you are wrong I am just curious to why the Naga and Talos do not have exactly the same damage since they both use the same weapons and have a 5% damage bonus? :o
I want one sooo bad D: Ferox #1 |
Imajitaaltofanalt ofanalt
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.11.18 09:59:00 -
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Kietay Ayari wrote:I like your support of the Naga, Grath. But I have a question for you! Not that I am saying you are wrong I am just curious to why the Naga and Talos do not have exactly the same damage since they both use the same weapons and have a 5% damage bonus? :o
I want one sooo bad D:
talos does 1200 dps for me, naga 710, talos has crap tank, naga has good buffer. naga is faster, talos has drones.
Tbh, naga is a mean blaster boat... talos needs one less mid and one more low |
Foster Kincade
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.18 10:16:00 -
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Trainwreck McGee wrote:I could care less
so are you saying that you actually care about this subject or do you intend to say you couldn't care less?
on topic, I neither care for or against this change. I will wait till they release on TQ with the final bonuses and give all four ships a try. |
Zoe Alarhun
The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation
54
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Posted - 2011.11.18 10:21:00 -
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Mini Rokh - DO WANT. |
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