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Jacob Stov
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Posted - 2011.11.18 22:59:00 -
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Well, it is more or less the Caldari ship I always wanted. Hybrid damage bonus on Caldari T1. But from the first second I saw this totally fugly piece of crap I knew I would never fly it.
Tornado looks better, shoots better, runs better. It could be the best torp boat ever, I would never touch it with a 5m pole. |
Korg Tronix
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.11.18 23:07:00 -
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Jacob Stov wrote:Well, it is more or less the Caldari ship I always wanted. Hybrid damage bonus on Caldari T1. But from the first second I saw this totally fugly piece of crap I knew I would never fly it.
Tornado looks better, shoots better, runs better. It could be the best torp boat ever, I would never touch it with a 5m pole.
Tbh as much as I like it as a Hybrid boat, I am kinda sad about it no longer a torp boat....now I will actually need to train Large Hybrids to fit it. |
Jimmy Caldari
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.11.18 23:13:00 -
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I can already fly talos, now i have virtually no reason at all to fly a naga, despite being really excited until now about it. |
vorneus
Hub2
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Posted - 2011.11.18 23:18:00 -
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So the jist I'm getting from this thread is..
There are a handful of crying Caldari pilots, who only trained missiles despite their race specialising (read, having ships bonused to) both missiles and hybrids, who are complaining because the Naga uses rails. If only there were a way to train new skills :(
Another handful of crying Caldari pilots who like the way missiles look and wanted pretty torpedo explosions. Such a shame no other missile platforms are viable :(
A final handful of crying Caldari pilots who seem to be personally offended and think they're being "screwed" by CCP just because the Naga is a railgun platform, despite rails always being part of the race's armory (hybrid platform in every ship class, much?) No further sarcastic comment for this one :)
A bunch of sensible people happy that there is now a BC rail platform that performs well.
I'll join the last bunch. +1 for the new Naga (and I also happen to think it looks rather dashing).
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Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
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Posted - 2011.11.18 23:24:00 -
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You forgot the group of people who lack taste in clean utilitarian design. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
237
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Posted - 2011.11.18 23:24:00 -
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Princess Cellestia wrote:
Listened the wrong way though, should have stuck with torps. Sniping is dead, at 100 you're still well within range of arties and just a few shots and you're dead, way before you do any real damage to an enemy, past 100, you're still screwed because you'll get probed out.
Probe all you want, they can't warp in on your until your at 150km anyway, so that leaves a 50km buffer for you to operate in, outside the range of any standardized alpha fleets range.
Inside that 50km envelope the Naga will put out better DPS than any BC platform in the game, and as good as most BS platforms, while being able to maintain a non heated speed of 1800m/s+, with heat they approach vagabond speeds.
The complete lack of game mechanic knowledge in this thread is staggering, including the lolgoon who thinks alpha owns everything, tell me little Goon, when was the last time you were willing to engage an equal number of pulse abbadons with a same sized alpha fleet?
hint: The answer is you never have and you never will, any time the numbers have ever been close you get curb stomped. |
Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
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Posted - 2011.11.18 23:26:00 -
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Korg Tronix wrote:Jacob Stov wrote:Well, it is more or less the Caldari ship I always wanted. Hybrid damage bonus on Caldari T1. But from the first second I saw this totally fugly piece of crap I knew I would never fly it.
Tornado looks better, shoots better, runs better. It could be the best torp boat ever, I would never touch it with a 5m pole. Tbh as much as I like it as a Hybrid boat, I am kinda sad about it no longer a torp boat....now I will actually need to train Large Hybrids to fit it.
That's the correct mentality, TBFH. If you can't fly something you like, you train for it, you don't come crying to the forums asking for mamma.
Btw, I can fly all combat ships under capitals, and I'm happy the naga is a decent hybrid platform. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.11.19 02:21:00 -
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Kietay Ayari wrote:I like your support of the Naga, Grath. But I have a question for you! Not that I am saying you are wrong I am just curious to why the Naga and Talos do not have exactly the same damage since they both use the same weapons and have a 5% damage bonus? :o
I want one sooo bad D:
Sorry, I saw this late, but its likely due strictly to how each ship was fit.
The Talos's 25m3 drone bay definitely makes up SOME of the difference but the rest HAS to be in the fit, because one gets a tracking bonus (Talos) and one gets an optimal bonus (Naga), and both get the 5% damage bonus as you've noted.
Every other difference is going to come from the fit + implants. I'm not exactly sure what he's doing to pump it up to1200 dps, i'll have to try some fits out and see whats what, he could be fitting rails and then blasters, because the numbers SHOULD be identical, he could also be using a fitting tool right now, which is dumb since none of them have accurate numbers on either ship.
I will say that the poster who said the Naga has a better tank is right. It can easily hold a 2x LSE tank whereas the Talos is only fitting a single 1600 plate plus rigs.
The nice thing about both ships is that the guns use virtually no cap when firing, so that even with EVERYTHING running you get 3 to 4 minutes out of either platform. |
Desudes
Federal Defence Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.19 02:44:00 -
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I'd have left it able to field Torps; but I'd also fix torps & give bonuses (dmg + optimal for rails; ROF/dmg for torps I guess?) to fit.
Leaving the Naga with Rails for sniping and torps for brawling. I don't see the optimal range beating tracking + drones for close range though I haven't look at the tank differences due to fitting tools and stats changing around. Will be interesting when this stuff gets finalized. Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu? |
Lili Lu
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Posted - 2011.11.19 03:25:00 -
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OT Smithers wrote: Answer: Because this was easier for CCP.
And yes, they are (as usual) screwing Caldari pilots.
OMG, you poor downtroden thing. You must really hate this game as much as CCP surely hates Caldari. I mean everyone should just self-destruct their Tengus, Drakes, Nighthawks, Vultures, . . .
Seriously, if you feel so depressed and oppressed stop playing now. You are not Caldari, investigate real life again.
And please stop whining about it not being a missile ship. Gallente is not THE hybrid race. They are a combo of hybrid and drone. Caldari are a combo of hybrid and missile. And there are even some Gallente ships with missile launchers and almost every Caldari ship has a small drone bay.
You have to train more than one weapon system in this game. Every race does. |
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Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.11.19 06:11:00 -
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I am beyond thrilled.
I, as a Caldari, have an adequate hybrid platform. Unlike the Rokh, with it's false promises in it's flavor text.
I'm Caldari. I have gun skills. Why can't the rest of you just train gun skills? You don't have to use them. Stick with your terrible cruise missiles and torps. I'm going to be flaying my enemies into a fine, likely ionized molecular cloud with my 8x Ion Blaster Cannon II Naga. And maybe Electron Blaster Moa if it can ever get into a decent fleet. |
Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.11.19 06:22:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Jude Lloyd wrote:TrollFace TrololMcFluf wrote:caldari tears aka carebear tears BEST TEARS Your logic is faulty. I have never PVE'd once since playing this game, and I fly Caldari. Caldari is the best race for PVP. Quote:Combat record for Jude Lloyd
Favourite prey: Battlecruiser Favourite ship: Imperial Navy Slicer
Kills With:
Crow 5 Caldari Navy Hookbill 2 Imperial Navy Slicer 21 Thrasher 1 Cynabal 33
Okie dokie. Then use Caldari more.
Lol my top used ships are the drake, rook, and merlin. Good intel m8
Heretic Army CEO Host of Frigfry Fridays
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.11.19 06:57:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:OT Smithers wrote:. The typical Caldari pilot, having no hybrid skills or gunnery skills to speak of, is looking at five or six months to use this ship properly. It's ridiculous. And who's fault is that? Caldari have been using Hybrids since the game started. Every ship any noob has encountered has presented the race as both missiles and hybrids- not secondary, but both equal in terms of use in space.
Most of the people that have purely trained Caldari didn't put many SP into gunnery because the gunboats for the most part are worse than the missile boats. It is refreshing to see the Naga with a damage bonus though, it wouldn't have surprised me to see it come with 7 turrets and no damage bonus. Still I have not tried the ship on sisi and it makes me wonder if its like the other Caldari gunboats and lack the cap to even run its turrets, let alone any other mods. |
Soporo
Perkone Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.11.19 17:31:00 -
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Quote:I think CCP chose the easiest way to deal with the Naga.
Making a viable missile tier3 BC would mean fixing cruise and torps
What this dude said. I'm just glad to not have a completely inadequately bonused torp ship. Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - H.L. Mencken |
Klown Walk
iCruiser.
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Posted - 2011.11.19 17:38:00 -
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Don-Št see the point of adding 2 hybrid ships. |
Eva Blacklist
Tax Free Corporation II
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Posted - 2011.11.19 18:10:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Eva Blacklist wrote:For me,the excitement of the expansion was the Naga plus torpedoes. To be frank, if I wanted a gun-based boat it would be the Oracle (which is major sexy). It appears the management of CCP continues to be out-of-touch with a part of its player base. The Naga is now competitive instead of another lolCaldari ship. CCP has listened to a long neglected, much larger part of its playerbase and a huge part of Caldari/Gallente gameplay. You don't know this because you started playing eve around the time hybrids became completely useless. I don't know how to explain this.. it's like trying to explain life before the internet to a person under 20. There's a whole big part of Caldari and Gallente playstyles that has been left behind and finally brought to the forefront.
Dude, this is my 'baby' character, and I am confident I am a hell of a lot older than than you. I wanted a torpedo boat, but barring that I will stick with the Tornado or Oracle because I am skilled for those. Stop speaking to people you do not know as if you know something. f*u*cker. |
Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
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Posted - 2011.11.19 19:44:00 -
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Eva Blacklist wrote:Vincent Gaines wrote:Eva Blacklist wrote:For me,the excitement of the expansion was the Naga plus torpedoes. To be frank, if I wanted a gun-based boat it would be the Oracle (which is major sexy). It appears the management of CCP continues to be out-of-touch with a part of its player base. The Naga is now competitive instead of another lolCaldari ship. CCP has listened to a long neglected, much larger part of its playerbase and a huge part of Caldari/Gallente gameplay. You don't know this because you started playing eve around the time hybrids became completely useless. I don't know how to explain this.. it's like trying to explain life before the internet to a person under 20. There's a whole big part of Caldari and Gallente playstyles that has been left behind and finally brought to the forefront. Dude, this is my 'baby' character, and I am confident I am a hell of a lot older than than you. I wanted a torpedo boat, but barring that I will stick with the Tornado or Oracle because I am skilled for those. Stop speaking to people you do not know as if you know something. One more thing, unless you programmed with something before punch cards, STFU about the internet, assclown. /rant
Think you completely missed his point.
And he is right btw. Hybrids have long been neglected. I started EVE when they were the defacto standard for all turrets then it all went horribly wrong and I barely used Gal ships once they fell so badly behind Projectiles and Lasers. Web nerf was pretty much the last straw for blasters.
The guy was just trying to give an idea of how difficult it was to explain life when hybrids ruled until now. Totally no need for your baseless rant at him. It's assclowns like you that really make these forums suck.
Oh, one more point, how do you know that isn't his alt? You have no idea about him either but you are doing what you asked him not to. That makes you a hypocrite. |
Rico Rage
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Posted - 2011.11.19 22:53:00 -
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Eva Blacklist wrote:Vincent Gaines wrote:Eva Blacklist wrote:For me,the excitement of the expansion was the Naga plus torpedoes. To be frank, if I wanted a gun-based boat it would be the Oracle (which is major sexy). It appears the management of CCP continues to be out-of-touch with a part of its player base. The Naga is now competitive instead of another lolCaldari ship. CCP has listened to a long neglected, much larger part of its playerbase and a huge part of Caldari/Gallente gameplay. You don't know this because you started playing eve around the time hybrids became completely useless. I don't know how to explain this.. it's like trying to explain life before the internet to a person under 20. There's a whole big part of Caldari and Gallente playstyles that has been left behind and finally brought to the forefront. Dude, this is my 'baby' character, and I am confident I am a hell of a lot older than than you. I wanted a torpedo boat, but barring that I will stick with the Tornado or Oracle because I am skilled for those. Stop speaking to people you do not know as if you know something. One more thing, unless you programmed with something before punch cards, STFU about the internet, assclown. /rant
Then post with your main. Hate it when people talk crap but then puss out and post on an alt character.
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Borun Tal
One More Corp
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Posted - 2011.11.20 01:28:00 -
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How many mining lazors and warp core stabs can I fit on the Naga?
Oh, wait.... |
TS0
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.20 03:38:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Rail Naga - 700 DPS at 100 km. Deal with it, pathetic whingeing Caldari carebears.
This is the feed back CCP is getting...from ppl who dont fly caldari ships.....and they are listening to them... =FAIL
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Zeerover
Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.11.20 06:30:00 -
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TS0 wrote:Gypsio III wrote:Rail Naga - 700 DPS at 100 km. Deal with it, pathetic whingeing Caldari carebears. This is the feed back CCP is getting...from ppl who dont fly caldari ships.....and they are listening to them... =FAIL
I'm a caldari, who flies caldari ships, and I'm greatly looking forward to a proper rail platform:) [img]http://i.imgur.com/Qrwa2.png[/img] |
Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
9
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Posted - 2011.11.20 21:19:00 -
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Zeerover wrote:TS0 wrote:Gypsio III wrote:Rail Naga - 700 DPS at 100 km. Deal with it, pathetic whingeing Caldari carebears. This is the feed back CCP is getting...from ppl who dont fly caldari ships.....and they are listening to them... =FAIL I'm a caldari, who flies caldari ships, and I'm greatly looking forward to a proper rail platform:)
Hello. I'm caldari, I fly rail boats and I approve the Naga. Thank you very much. |
Nezumiiro Noneko
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.11.20 22:12:00 -
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TS0 wrote:Gypsio III wrote:Rail Naga - 700 DPS at 100 km. Deal with it, pathetic whingeing Caldari carebears. This is the feed back CCP is getting...from ppl who dont fly caldari ships.....and they are listening to them... =FAIL
A decent BC class gun boat for caldari has been a gaping hole for years. CCP listened to that gripe. 2 choices in this realm. Lolrox or x-train amarr or minny (usually minny, easier x-train imo). Lolrox has been lacking, hell on paper it will still lack after hybid fix. NAga will be the gap filler here I'd put money on.
CCP listenend to caldari gunners who said thanks for the range but we want moar gun damage. 20-25% level dependent a good step in that direction. Powergrid fixes as well and it becomes clear ccp wants a caldari bc besides drake on the server (we all know lolrox ain't so popular....).
gun choice a good call imo. Might even clear up some canes off the server....most x-trains I know of like me went to that when drake got old. KNow I'll give her a go. Be nice if tracking was thrown in too...but you can't have everything. |
Adru
Brotherhood Cartel
0
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Posted - 2011.11.21 07:33:00 -
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Yup, dissapointed. I hoped to take my missile skills and fleet with any Drake pilot (are there any out there?). I hoped the Naga could thus sail through difficult PVE cheaply enough to fly in nullsec. Combined arms concept after all.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.11.21 12:44:00 -
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Perhaps they can give it a big cargohold of say 1,000 cubic metres so i can use it as a transporter or salvager (with 8 turrets)?
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Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
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Posted - 2011.11.21 13:23:00 -
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Jennifer Starling wrote:Perhaps they can give it a big cargohold of say 1,000 cubic metres so i can use it as a transporter or salvager (with 8 turrets)?
Oh my, maybe you could use a ship with bonuses to tractors and salvagers? With a good enough cargo bay? Could CCP dare to create a ship like that?
Oh, wait. They did... Noctis? |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
37
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Posted - 2011.11.21 14:36:00 -
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TS0 wrote:Gypsio III wrote:Rail Naga - 700 DPS at 100 km. Deal with it, pathetic whingeing Caldari carebears. This is the feed back CCP is getting...from ppl who dont fly caldari ships.....and they are listening to them... =FAIL
Its not fail at all, its good to see a railgun platform that's not whacked with a nerfbat before it even hits the server. Maybe, just maybe CCP will fix the other Caldari gunboats to. |
Niko Takahashi
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.21 14:54:00 -
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I approve of the Naga
Although I was reall hoping for a Torp ECM strength bonus combo :)
But a nice Freaking boat that will be long range fire support decent damage and range. AND cheap
Now Fix the Rokh |
Techno General
Bishop Intergalactic Ventures The Interstellar Contract Agency
0
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Posted - 2011.11.21 17:13:00 -
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This is the exact reason I trained for ERRYTING :) T3 BC's with al T2 Weapons HERE I COME :) |
Mike Whiite
Progressive State
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Posted - 2011.11.22 13:53:00 -
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I think it's a missed chance.
Let me try to explain, Due to it's affinety with missles the Caldari race is a very good race to start with in Eve.
In the rather steep learning curve Eve has, less is more in your early months. So not having to keep track of your speed, angle ect. ect. is a great plus.
Before you start to earn a little money and realy have a chance to see what this game is all about people usualy train to battlecruiser class, this is about the time when people make the decision to stay onboard and become paying members. The prospect of goodies right behind the door might be quite aluring and in your first weeks/months of EVE training time is seen different, 90 days is quite a long time when you're only 90 days online.
that said the hybrid ship might be nice for the players that play longer.
Nnot playing to long myself, I don-Št expect to fly the Naga anytime soon. When putting time in gunnery, things like Projetiles and Artillery seem more alluring then Hybride. more new ships availible, which actualy have a use at frigate lvl above what I fly already. for a few days extra of learning Minmatar Frigate.
That said I think the Naga is going to do well for Gelante, since they can fly it in relative shorter time a lot of Caldari will need to invest in it. |
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