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Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:06:00 -
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Vrykolakasis wrote:I just found out the Naga didn't have any missile slots - the first thought through my head was that my client was malfunctioning and I would need to petition it.
I find it completely absurd that the missiles were cut from the design, and I find it equally absurd that people are defending the choice. Yes, the Naga should be a valuable sniper ship, like it is, but it should also have some versatility, like the original design. A versatile ship isn't overpowered... it's just versatile. You can't be a sniper and a torpedo spammer at the same time, but you should be able to choose which one you are. That was one of the reasons the Naga was *going* to be so cool... you had options.
I think CCP should balance their decision on this one... listen, a little, to the players who want to keep it the way it is. Then listen to the players who want to change it to have missile slots as well. Then grow some freaking brains and give it missile slots.
I usually don't get so angry about dev decisions, but this is ridiculous. missing the point
It could do either of those, but it could do neither of them particularly well...the other BC's walked all over it no matter how it was fitted.
As is, it's quite a respectable ship. |
TheMahdi
RennTech Fatal Ascension
3
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:58:00 -
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naga please |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.30 13:58:00 -
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Katabrok First wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Katabrok First wrote: Better completion times than using that fat raven Guess for an OLD player your missile skills suck. Well man, see for yourself... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Katabrok_FirstKata
So I guess it's not the missile skills that suck. |
Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
11
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Posted - 2011.11.30 14:47:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Katabrok First wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Katabrok First wrote: Better completion times than using that fat raven Guess for an OLD player your missile skills suck. Well man, see for yourself... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Katabrok_FirstKata So I guess it's not the missile skills that suck. Not to sound like an old man, but how old are you my boy?
When the rokh launched, the usual fit for a Raven was with cruise missiles, and the dps using them wasn't stellar. I had better completion times using the rokh, so diferently from what you try to imply, the problem was not with my skills as player. I tried torps, and they were marginally good against BS, but what you won against them you'd lose against BCs and down. And if I recall correctly, it is necessary more skill to fly a gun boat than a missile boat, right? So, try not to be all smug and smart before you know the full history.
Cheers, Kata |
Vrykolakasis
Trinity Operations Aurora Irae
4
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Posted - 2011.11.30 16:59:00 -
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My rage post is a good example of why to sleep before posting .
I'd still like to see missiles on it... but I suppose I don't actually care *that* much. |
Federigo Mondial
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.11.30 18:06:00 -
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Guys don't get your panties in your bunch. Finally we got a 700 dps boat @ 100 km that is insta-hit....And you guys are whining ?
Come on. |
Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
19
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Posted - 2011.11.30 18:20:00 -
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Federigo Mondial wrote:Guys don't get your panties in your bunch. Finally we got a 700 dps boat @ 100 km that is insta-hit....And you guys are whining ?
Come on.
72 days until t2 railguns.....
Worth it just for the Naga!
Naga please! |
Lady PimpStar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 18:23:00 -
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Federigo Mondial wrote:Guys don't get your panties in your bunch. Finally we got a 700 dps boat @ 100 km that is insta-hit....And you guys are whining ?
Come on.
First time all Caldari toons would have unrestricted access to 8 torp ship like the State Raven. Weather or not the torps are crap doesn't matter it's the fact we could fit them even if it would be fail fit.
I don't want to lose the rail configuration but would at least like the fittings and hard points to be restored. |
Cambarus
Clearly Compensating
43
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Posted - 2011.11.30 18:58:00 -
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Lady PimpStar wrote:Federigo Mondial wrote:Guys don't get your panties in your bunch. Finally we got a 700 dps boat @ 100 km that is insta-hit....And you guys are whining ?
Come on. First time all Caldari toons would have unrestricted access to 8 torp ship like the State Raven. Weather or not the torps are crap doesn't matter it's the fact we could fit them even if it would be fail fit. I don't want to lose the rail configuration but would at least like the fittings and hard points to be restored. 8 torps with no bonus is the same as 6 torps with the ROF bonus the raven has. The ship would have been terrible, CCP buffed it, and in doing so are encouraging caldari people to train hybrids (the fact that so few have is because there weren't many decent hybrid boats to begin with, so stop complaining that CCP introduced one) |
mavrick1
Siskiyou county mining llc
7
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:02:00 -
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i do not like the naga but the talos is a good ship and i like it and i am still playing around with it for the most part i just do not like the lines on the naga but for the most part the talos is a very pretty lady |
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:39:00 -
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Katabrok First wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Katabrok First wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Katabrok First wrote: Better completion times than using that fat raven Guess for an OLD player your missile skills suck. Well man, see for yourself... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Katabrok_FirstKata So I guess it's not the missile skills that suck. Not to sound like an old man, but how old are you my boy? When the rokh launched, the usual fit for a Raven was with cruise missiles, and the dps using them wasn't stellar. I had better completion times using the rokh, so diferently from what you try to imply, the problem was not with my skills as player. I tried torps, and they were marginally good against BS, but what you won against them you'd lose against BCs and down. And if I recall correctly, it is necessary more skill to fly a gun boat than a missile boat, right? So, try not to be all smug and smart before you know the full history. Cheers, Kata
Are you referring to my real age or my Eve age which you so parade around here? I get better completion times with my CNR with rigors compared to my Rokh and I don't agree with what you said. Maybe I can't fly a turret boat well. Maybe you can't fly a missile boat well. So if I don't agree with you you'd call me out on my age?Anyways,all I did say was your missile skills didn't suck and you STILL have a problem with it?
Anyways, not gonna reply further. Fly safe,old man. o7 |
Vel Jong
CMABR
1
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:50:00 -
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Im disappointed, if i want fly a Turret Boat i take one of the others i realy wanted to have a Missile Boat here |
Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
20
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Posted - 2011.11.30 20:34:00 -
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t2 naga with cruise and torp bonuses maybeh? |
xSynnx
Requiem of Shadows Bad Company Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 20:59:00 -
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So much QQ about Naga...
If you ONLY have missiles trained as a caldari pilot... you havent been playing Eve long enough. When you reach the point of "Ok im within 2% of my max missile potential, what should i train next?" the obvious course of action (to me) would be to train the weapon system for the other half of my race's (Caldari) ships.
Granted, i admit you have to train a whole new set of primary/secondary/tertiary skills, but dont you at least want to fly your races ships? Having played for so long i dont claim any races ships as my own anymore, only to say that i dont like caldari. That being said i have trained all turret based weapons (T2) of all sizes and even Missiles, T2 up to Heavy and HAM's. As i said before i dont particularly care for Caldari boats.
As a Caldari player if your still QQ'ing about turrets... your still young.
-XS |
Tusen Takk
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund 31ST Reliables Division
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:03:00 -
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im training hybrids just to fly the naga
check this out: http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f331/timmyjimmy1/Capture-63.png
forgot to put a midslot in but whatever |
Lady PimpStar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:11:00 -
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Cambarus wrote:Lady PimpStar wrote:Federigo Mondial wrote:Guys don't get your panties in your bunch. Finally we got a 700 dps boat @ 100 km that is insta-hit....And you guys are whining ?
Come on. First time all Caldari toons would have unrestricted access to 8 torp ship like the State Raven. Weather or not the torps are crap doesn't matter it's the fact we could fit them even if it would be fail fit. I don't want to lose the rail configuration but would at least like the fittings and hard points to be restored. 8 torps with no bonus is the same as 6 torps with the ROF bonus the raven has. The ship would have been terrible, CCP buffed it, and in doing so are encouraging caldari people to train hybrids (the fact that so few have is because there weren't many decent hybrid boats to begin with, so stop complaining that CCP introduced one)
We are looking for the "Raven up close" that was marketed. Why do you want to force specialization? What a awesome idea to have a ship that could do both weapon systems only to find out it's just one now..
Maybe Navy Issue Naga 1200 + DPS torp power house will make up for it :p <-- Cross fingers |
Sophisto
Meteor Star
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:39:00 -
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xSynnx wrote:So much QQ about Naga...
If you ONLY have missiles trained as a caldari pilot... you havent been playing Eve long enough. When you reach the point of "Ok im within 2% of my max missile potential, what should i train next?" the obvious course of action (to me) would be to train the weapon system for the other half of my race's (Caldari) ships.
Granted, i admit you have to train a whole new set of primary/secondary/tertiary skills, but dont you at least want to fly your races ships? Having played for so long i dont claim any races ships as my own anymore, only to say that i dont like caldari. That being said i have trained all turret based weapons (T2) of all sizes and even Missiles, T2 up to Heavy and HAM's. As i said before i dont particularly care for Caldari boats.
As a Caldari player if your still QQ'ing about turrets... your still young.
-XS
What he said.. except I happen to like flying Caldari and as such am grateful for anything CCP sends my way! |
Sophisto
Meteor Star
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:45:00 -
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Lady PimpStar wrote:Cambarus wrote:Lady PimpStar wrote:Federigo Mondial wrote:Guys don't get your panties in your bunch. Finally we got a 700 dps boat @ 100 km that is insta-hit....And you guys are whining ?
Come on. First time all Caldari toons would have unrestricted access to 8 torp ship like the State Raven. Weather or not the torps are crap doesn't matter it's the fact we could fit them even if it would be fail fit. I don't want to lose the rail configuration but would at least like the fittings and hard points to be restored. 8 torps with no bonus is the same as 6 torps with the ROF bonus the raven has. The ship would have been terrible, CCP buffed it, and in doing so are encouraging caldari people to train hybrids (the fact that so few have is because there weren't many decent hybrid boats to begin with, so stop complaining that CCP introduced one) We are looking for the "Raven up close" that was marketed. Why do you want to force specialization? What a awesome idea to have a ship that could do both weapon systems only to find out it's just one now.. Maybe Navy Issue Naga 1200 + DPS torp power house will make up for it :p <-- Cross fingers
I can also appreciate this as I too was looking for the glass cannon. Right down to the screenshots from the contest art we see launchers but after reading the arguments of the Drake, Tengu, and Raven I think this was smart of CCP to offer something different in hybrids other then training 3 months for a Vulture, and then still only fitting medium turrets. |
Kiljaedenas
Blockade Breakers
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:57:00 -
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I'm Caldari and personally the Naga is the only one of the new battlecruisers I'd be willing to try. I'm also surprised at how much hate there is on the Rokh, properly fitted it is a very good long range sniper that can hit farther, tank better and cost less than its Gallente counterpart the Megathron.
I can definitely see Nagas getting used a LOT in Nullsec in the future. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery Dead On Arrival Alliance
425
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Posted - 2011.11.30 22:22:00 -
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Jesus, guys, SHUT UP!
It's got a rotating RADAR dish on it ... and you're looking for other reasons to fly it?
It rotates. Spins. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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hanzyfranzy
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.12.01 00:59:00 -
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My tech II railguns have been waiting for this glorious day. |
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2011.12.01 01:19:00 -
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Naga is in fact a Gallente ship....... When is Caldari going to make a BC? |
Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
11
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Posted - 2011.12.01 02:06:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Are you referring to my real age or my Eve age which you so parade around here? I get better completion times with my CNR with rigors compared to my Rokh and I don't agree with what you said. Maybe I can't fly a turret boat well. Maybe you can't fly a missile boat well. So if I don't agree with you you'd call me out on my age?Anyways,all I did say was your missile skills didn't suck and you STILL have a problem with it? Anyways, not gonna reply further. Fly safe,old man. o7
Ok, just to set the record straight, sorry if I appeared pedantic or the truth owner, it wasn't my intention. I'm not a native English speaker, so sometimes what I think in portuguese doesn't comes out good in english. What I meant to ask was how long you've been playing. Because in old times, a raven was expensive, and a CNR was the stuff of legend. We didn't had rigs then, and it was hard killing small stuff with cruises. We had to use our mids only for tank, so we didn't even fit target painters (no rigs, remember?). With the Rokh we could kill small stuff while they were approaching, faster than using cruise missiles. Today I agree, it is a subpar mission ship.
Was I clear? Really sorry man for the negative idea I passed.
Cheers, Kata
Ps.: I know you said you wouldn't reply anymore, but just tell me we are friends now. |
Khrage
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.01 05:45:00 -
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Flurk Hellbron wrote:Naga is in fact a Gallente ship....... When is Caldari going to make a BC?
^troll/blind/forgetful
One of the most caldari ships out there is a BC, called the Drake. It's a better ship than the earlier version of the Naga would have been.
Though I have lost interest in the Naga since that many torps would be way too much fun (not necessarily good) - have not lost interest in the Tornado. That thing is just so much better than all the other T3 BCs.
Really looking forward to seeing more of all them out in space since they are going to make great fireworks. Of other ships and themselves. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery Dead On Arrival Alliance
426
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Posted - 2011.12.01 09:28:00 -
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Flurk Hellbron wrote:Naga is in fact a Gallente ship....... When is Caldari going to make a BC? By your logic the Ferox is also Gallente. And the Rokh. And the Moa. And the Osprey. And the Merlin. And the Bantam. And the Cormorant. etc & navy variants.
No, people. This is wrong. Clearly the Naga is the first Caldari ship to use hybrids. Why would any Caldari pilots have any SP in hybrids / turrets? - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Mike Whiite
Progressive State
4
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Posted - 2011.12.01 09:49:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Flurk Hellbron wrote:Naga is in fact a Gallente ship....... When is Caldari going to make a BC? By your logic the Ferox is also Gallente. And the Rokh. And the Moa. And the Osprey. And the Merlin. And the Bantam. And the Cormorant. etc & navy variants. No, people. This is wrong. Clearly the Naga is the first Caldari ship to use hybrids. Why would any Caldari pilots have any SP in hybrids / turrets?
I dare you to name a Caldari Navy Ship having a hybrid bonus or being made for hybrid , not unlike some Caldari players The Caldari Navy doesn't use hybrid turrets, making an even bigger case as to why missiles are a primairy weapon system to Caldari at least.
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Tanaka Hobbitus
Bureau of Astronomical Research and Development
0
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Posted - 2011.12.01 10:02:00 -
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Quick query -
Has anyone tried one in PvP yet? or is this just commentary based on EFT and the fact that it got changed from its original design.
If CCP changed it, I would assume it was because they wanted to give some players something different.
If it is a mini Rokh then perhaps its designed to be an entry level version so that players can get used to the role of a sniper whilst buying a ship which is more than half the price of a Rokh (based on Jita pricing)?
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Inturist
FSB-ALFA RED.OverLord
1
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Posted - 2011.12.01 10:09:00 -
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Well , i'm also expected Naga to be an 8 missile boat \o/ !!! i tested in on SISI , liked it !!! But after patch i noticed That ccp removed missiles :(
Well , let;s see : we have 8 slots for ( large weapons ) Autocanos , artillery , blasters , railguns , beam lasers , pulse lasers , but we don't have an 8 missile boat :( , well , we do have one , which is raven state issue which is only few in game and if u will be lucky and someone will decide to sell it - 150+bil ???!!!
I'm not complaining , but it would be lovely if CCP would consider to make an 8 missile slot ship . Atleast make it 8 cruise missile boat or something . |
Smabs
Higher Than Everest BricK sQuAD.
5
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Posted - 2011.12.01 10:28:00 -
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The naga looks like a pretty nice ship.
It does really, really good damage at range. It's actually a decent caldari rail platform that will be viable in a small gang. Blasters go pretty nicely on it, too. |
Mike Whiite
Progressive State
4
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Posted - 2011.12.01 10:37:00 -
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Tanaka Hobbitus wrote:Quick query -
Has anyone tried one in PvP yet? or is this just commentary based on EFT and the fact that it got changed from its original design.
I think it's more the lack of a missile platform than it's on the Naga it self. common responce to that is that missile suck in PVP.
What ever happens, I think someone at CCP should try to make clear what they want with the missile platform or keep it as a secondairy weapon systems people keep telling me it was once intended for.
are they going to fix it, are they going to sell it as a PVE weapon only, although heavies and rockets seem to do fine in PvP, or keep it as a secondairy weapon systems people keep telling me it was once intended for, though at the moment there are more Caldari missile platforms then there are Hybrid platforms.
Which explains the great number of relatively new players that are more specialiced in Missiles then hybrids.
When making the step to gunnery it usualy ends up more intresting to use an other platform then hybrids. projectile/artillery for example opens up ships that can be used better/ faster than the Caldari hybrid platforms. the only Caldari frigates I see (I'm in lowsec) are Hookbills sometimes a Merlin, a Hawk and sometimes a Harpy.
but opening Minmatar frigates opens up way more ships which are superior and al it takes is 4 a 5 days of extra training, about 1 day to puch it to Minmatar frigats to 4.
I don't know when this Caldari change to missiles as a so called primairy weapon came but with all easy and the not so "cookies" being missile platforms, it is there.
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