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DHuncan
Minerva Group
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Posted - 2014.06.01 03:08:00 -
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The thing is that some people preffer to stay in a small friendly corporation instead of joining a big or even a huge one. This is an obvious disadvantage and leads to an unfair submission to the decissions of larger groups many times oriented solely in causing grief and self satisfy their very low self-esteem. No, I am not wardeked now, no, these are not tears, sorry. But I think we all agree that they dont need to be beter, nor have more skilled characters, nor being faster witted players not knowing the game deeper... they are only numericly superior... by far.
How to solve this? We accept it and live like inferiors when we are not necesarily so? Give up our projects and join a massive group were we become a one more no one? Giving up on EvE full of grief and bitterness?
I suggest CCP implements the chance of hiring NPC ships for isk. Even if your corp is small, if you have worked well and have some isk reserves in due corporation wallet, you can turn things around and kick those bullies arses the way they are looking for. The idea is open for discusion, limitation ideas and all you want. It responds to the ballancing the game philosophy and lends a hand to the independent players that reject the idea of being part of those hordes that now are starting to flame me... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41496&find=unread
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.06.01 03:12:00 -
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So basically you want to play by yourself in a MMO? "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Dominus Tempus
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
85
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Posted - 2014.06.01 03:14:00 -
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'MMO'rpg.
You're meant to be at a disadvantage if you do things by yourself. There's nothing unfair about it. |
Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
989
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Posted - 2014.06.01 03:15:00 -
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If you need help, hire some player mercs, giving your enemy a PvE encounter isn't going to hurt them beyond boring them a little. My lord. |
Vivec Septim
The Bene Gesserit Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2014.06.01 03:16:00 -
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No! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22309
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Posted - 2014.06.01 03:18:00 -
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DHuncan wrote:How to solve this? By hiring players to escort you. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
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ISD Atomic Dove
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.06.01 03:19:00 -
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Hi Bud,
Can i just request that these types of threads be kept in the appropriate sub forums. (Features & Ideas in this case.)
If you are interested in getting this idea off the ground i would recommend that you flesh it out and put some formatting into it. It makes an idea a lot easier and more palatable to analyze, discuss and improve.
I personally probably wouldn't use such a service in my time playing eve, however that is not to say some form or iteration might not be possible.
Have a nice day.
ISD Atomic Dove Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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DHuncan
Minerva Group
21
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Posted - 2014.06.01 03:21:00 -
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Pix Severus wrote:If you need help, hire some player mercs, giving your enemy a PvE encounter isn't going to hurt them beyond boring them a little.
Hm I preffer to put my isk in someone that I know is going to fight for me. I dont trust mercs. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41496&find=unread
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DHuncan
Minerva Group
21
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Posted - 2014.06.01 03:23:00 -
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ISD Atomic Dove wrote:Hi Bud, Can i just request that these types of threads be kept in the appropriate sub forums. (Features & Ideas in this case.) If you are interested in getting this idea off the ground i would recommend that you flesh it out and put some formatting into it. It makes an idea a lot easier and more palatable to analyze, discuss and improve. I personally probably wouldn't use such a service in my time playing eve, however that is not to say some form or iteration might not be possible. Have a nice day.
Sorry I didnt use the appropriate sub forum if some staff wants to move it for me I would appreciate it. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41496&find=unread
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
165
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Posted - 2014.06.01 03:24:00 -
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DHuncan wrote:Pix Severus wrote:If you need help, hire some player mercs, giving your enemy a PvE encounter isn't going to hurt them beyond boring them a little. Hm I preffer to put my isk in someone that I know is going to fight for me. I dont trust mercs. You better learn to start socializing around and know people because you will have a hard time doing carebear stuff. |
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DHuncan
Minerva Group
21
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Posted - 2014.06.01 03:28:00 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:DHuncan wrote:Pix Severus wrote:If you need help, hire some player mercs, giving your enemy a PvE encounter isn't going to hurt them beyond boring them a little. Hm I preffer to put my isk in someone that I know is going to fight for me. I dont trust mercs. You better learn to start socializing around and know people because you will have a hard time doing carebear stuff.
Carebear? I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps all the content that does not imply ruining anyone's -numerically inferior, of course- game? Socializing? That is not more carebearing? Unless you use crude language of course. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41496&find=unread
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DHuncan
Minerva Group
21
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Posted - 2014.06.01 03:33:00 -
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To put it into a format?
A button in station. Same as reppair, clones, reffining station, however are called... hire an escort. Pay by LPs or pay by isk? Is right PvPs force PvEs to PvP? Let's pay them the same way. Limitations? I say the discusion is open I dont want to be done the way I say and only that way. I invite the comunity and CCP to think if this is positive or not for the game or for some players. Who and why they would opose. Of course is not a good idea in the eyes of the massa who enjoys such superiority. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41496&find=unread
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10191
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Posted - 2014.06.01 03:36:00 -
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ISD Atomic Dove wrote:however that is not to say some form or iteration might not be possible. Then I will say it. No, it's not possible. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
6711
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Posted - 2014.06.01 03:38:00 -
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wut? oh... thought this thread was about hookers...
Ah yeah you tricked me into this thread ha-ha-ha and now I'm posting.
Just put exotic dancers in your cargo hold, they will save you. Always handy to have around. So no hookers, eh?
/me leaving disappointed |
DHuncan
Minerva Group
21
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Posted - 2014.06.01 03:39:00 -
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I am allowed to use drones and they are AI. It is possible and many's worst nightmare. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41496&find=unread
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DHuncan
Minerva Group
21
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Posted - 2014.06.01 03:40:00 -
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Webvan wrote:wut? oh... thought this thread was about hookers... Ah yeah you tricked me into this thread ha-ha-ha and now I'm posting. Just put exotic dangers in your cargo hold, they will save you. Always handy to have around. So no hookers, eh?
Perfect example about why socializing is hard this this.... fellows https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41496&find=unread
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
6713
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Posted - 2014.06.01 03:48:00 -
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DHuncan wrote:
Perfect example about why socializing is hard this this.... fellows
more like perfect example (this thread) of how to miss the features & Ideas forum and splash all over the wall making yellow stains.Though that can be an improvement for GD, but still... Features & Ideas type threads are not really "socializing" types of topics. Now space hookers! now that's socializing at it's finest for GD, gimme soma that! |
Erica Dusette
Rolled Out
9172
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Posted - 2014.06.01 03:56:00 -
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Unless the NPCs were CONCORD, Officer battleships or sleeper drones they'd be pretty much useless against players anyway. Even IF they weren't I really don't understand why you'd want the Devs to redesign so much of the game (yes I've seen your other thread) just so you could solo in lowsec with your NPC fleet. Sounds like you'd prefer to play EVE Offline.
Seriously, get involved with an active PVP corp that lives there instead. You won't look back.
And no Webby, this lil body ain't for hire.
Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate | GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog | #420roloswag | Bio |
DHuncan
Minerva Group
21
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Posted - 2014.06.01 03:58:00 -
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EvE is a universo of living science fiction. What I am asking is pretty sensitive and according to that. How many people doesnt even know about all can be done "becasue thats for carebears"? Really 50 smashing 6 is all you can get out of it? Mercenaries is a scam. I have all my right to declare my corporation independent of all I dont want to associate with and use the technology and priviledges gained by working missions to be as strong as I deserve without selling my soul to punks. I will not play the game the way you like but the way I want. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41496&find=unread
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DHuncan
Minerva Group
21
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Posted - 2014.06.01 04:03:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Unless the NPCs were CONCORD, Officer battleships or sleeper drones they'd be pretty much useless against players anyway. Even IF they weren't I really don't understand why you'd want the Devs to redesign so much of the game (yes I've seen your other thread) just so you could solo in lowsec with your NPC fleet. Sounds like you'd prefer to play EVE Offline. Seriously, get involved with an active PVP corp that lives there instead. You won't look back. And no Webby, this lil body ain't for hire.
You think people dont pvp because they never tried or because they are bad. You cannot get some people dont play eve tfor the combat part of it. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41496&find=unread
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Erica Dusette
Rolled Out
9172
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Posted - 2014.06.01 04:05:00 -
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DHuncan wrote:EvE is a universo of living science fiction. What I am asking is pretty sensitive and according to that. How many people doesnt even know about all can be done "becasue thats for carebears"? Really 50 smashing 6 is all you can get out of it? Mercenaries is a scam. I have all my right to declare my corporation independent of all I dont want to associate with and use the technology and priviledges gained by working missions to be as strong as I deserve without selling my soul to punks. I will not play the game the way you like but the way I want. Absolutely, you have every right to play your corp independent or however you like.
But because this game is actually designed to force you to interact or cooperate with other players then you're going to constantly come up against challenges to your play style.
One of those will be in lowsec.
Don't ask for the game to be changed to suit you, just learn to play your solo style better.
Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate | GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog | #420roloswag | Bio |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
6713
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Posted - 2014.06.01 04:08:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:And no Webby, this lil body ain't for hire. Ah but your rates are too rich for me, and I'm just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe *waves to Boba to close the storage door*
And we both know how it really works. If you want "escorts" you hire yourself. Why would I pay an NPC's to fail where I could PLEX alt accounts to p0wn? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22309
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Posted - 2014.06.01 04:10:00 -
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DHuncan wrote:EvE is a universo of living science fiction. Exactly. So hiring live-body mercs rather than some stale and predicable code is pretty much spot on for the theme.
Quote:Mercenaries is a scam. In what way? How is paying one party to protect you a scam, but paying another party to do so not?
Quote:I have all my right to declare my corporation independent of all I dont want to associate with and use the technology and priviledges gained by working missions to be as strong as I deserve without selling my soul to punks. I will not play the game the way you like but the way I want. Who said you can't stay independent or have to sell out? All anyone is saying is that what you're asking for is already in the game, and CCP is not likely to steal a job players can do and give it to NPCs.
You pay people so they can play the game as they like it and you can play it as you like it. Everyone wins. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
DHuncan
Minerva Group
21
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Posted - 2014.06.01 04:17:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:DHuncan wrote:EvE is a universo of living science fiction. What I am asking is pretty sensitive and according to that. How many people doesnt even know about all can be done "becasue thats for carebears"? Really 50 smashing 6 is all you can get out of it? Mercenaries is a scam. I have all my right to declare my corporation independent of all I dont want to associate with and use the technology and priviledges gained by working missions to be as strong as I deserve without selling my soul to punks. I will not play the game the way you like but the way I want. Absolutely, you have every right to play your corp independent or however you like. But because this game is actually designed to force you to interact or cooperate with other players then you're going to constantly come up against challenges to your play style. One of those will be in lowsec. Don't ask for the game to be changed to suit you, just learn to play your solo style better.
I am not talking about low sec or high sec. This days low sec is as safe if not more than some places in high sec. I am talking about ballancing the game specially in wars. I am not thinking nor I will like the idea of NPCs conquering sovernity for me.
Also is not about learning. I am proud of being a not-so-bad player. But we all come to ideas we think can improve the game not just for me. I know cooperation as I am part of a corporation based preciselly on that, I am talking about dont let the big mass to take over everything. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41496&find=unread
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Erica Dusette
Rolled Out
9172
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Posted - 2014.06.01 04:25:00 -
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Webvan wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:And no Webby, this lil body ain't for hire. Ah but your rates are too rich for me, and I'm just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe *waves to Boba to close the storage door* And we both know how it really works. If you want "escorts" you hire yourself. Why would I pay an NPC's to fail where I could PLEX alt accounts to p0wn? Never not dual box
Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate | GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog | #420roloswag | Bio |
DHuncan
Minerva Group
21
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Posted - 2014.06.01 04:26:00 -
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Tippia wrote:DHuncan wrote:EvE is a universo of living science fiction. Exactly. So hiring live-body mercs rather than some stale and predicable code is pretty much spot on for the theme. Quote:Mercenaries is a scam. In what way? How is paying one party to protect you a scam, but paying another party to do so not? Quote:I have all my right to declare my corporation independent of all I dont want to associate with and use the technology and priviledges gained by working missions to be as strong as I deserve without selling my soul to punks. I will not play the game the way you like but the way I want. Who said you can't stay independent or have to sell out? All anyone is saying is that what you're asking for is already in the game, and CCP is not likely to steal a job players can do and give it to NPCs. You pay people so they can play the game as they like it and you can play it as you like it. Everyone wins.
Mercenaries are not payed for winning the war for me. Once got the isk I you have not garantee they will do their best... or even try. NPCs dont have that choice to make they simply would fight to the end -unless bug or game broken-. Mercenaries live out of war, they want wars to happen, they are -most probably- in the same side as the ones who declares war. Even wars are declared to run mercenary bussines. That's how is a scam. You know this game better than anyone, dont play dumb to me.
Living scinece fiction yes, but you only read the part 'living' and forgot the part 'science fiction'
Predictable or not NPC drop dps, ecms, energy vampyres... predictable or not may ballance an unballanced battlefield.
And using the word 'steal' is manipulative. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41496&find=unread
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Cassandra Aurilien
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
158
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Posted - 2014.06.01 04:43:00 -
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DHuncan wrote:
Mercenaries are not payed for winning the war for me. Once got the isk I you have not garantee they will do their best... or even try. NPCs dont have that choice to make they simply would fight to the end -unless bug or game broken-. Mercenaries live out of war, they want wars to happen, they are -most probably- in the same side as the ones who declares war. Even wars are declared to run mercenary bussines. That's how is a scam. You know this game better than anyone, dont play dumb to me.
Living scinece fiction yes, but you only read the part 'living' and forgot the part 'science fiction'
Predictable or not NPC drop dps, ecms, energy vampyres... predictable or not may ballance an unballanced battlefield.
And using the word 'steal' is manipulative.
If NPC's are available for hire & they are worth anything, the corp with the biggest pockets would win. Larger corps tend to have more resources available to begin with, so it would make them even more dominant.
In some far distant future, where the entire background universe is simulated, and the AI can make player like decisions (such as to betray an employer in the middle of a battle, or declare war on a corp on their own), such a thing might be doable.
In this game, now, it's not. It would just result in more entrenched power than currently exists. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22309
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Posted - 2014.06.01 04:53:00 -
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DHuncan wrote:Mercenaries are not payed for winning the war for me. Once got the isk I you have not garantee they will do their best... or even try. So do your homework and hire some proper mercs.
Quote:Mercenaries live out of war, they want wars to happen, they are -most probably- in the same side as the ones who declares war. Even wars are declared to run mercenary bussines. That's how is a scam. You know this game better than anyone, dont play dumb to me. I'm not. I'm saying that you're dismissing an option out of hand based on nothing but (unsupported) assumptions and probabilities. Since you just said that I know this game better than anyone, let me tell you this: there are plenty of merc corps that will do what you pay them to do.
And let's not forget, NPCs will either just be fodder and not protect you, or they will be used to nuke you even harder than before.
Quote:Living scinece fiction yes, but you only read the part 'living' and forgot the part 'science fiction' Nope. The science fiction part is where you hire space mercenaries to keep your space business space-safe.
Quote:And using the word 'steal' is manipulative. No. It is a very apt description of what you're describing: stealing business from honest corporations and giving it to NPCs, for no other reason as far as I can see than that you're having some trust issues. It's the reason why a lot of things have not been given any kind of NPC service even though it actually would be simple to implement, unlike what you're suggesting. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1746
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Posted - 2014.06.01 05:16:00 -
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So you want to hire NPCs so you can go kick someone else's butt.
Im sure you'd be all for equity in the hiring of NPCs, which could just result in the other Corp hiring their own NPCs too.
So players and NPCs against players and NPCs; and NPCs have a difficult time kicking anyone's butt.
In the end I think this would just reduce to the current situation of players against players. If you want to take on a numerically superior opponent, you either need better support, force multipliers or more numbers.
Because NPC hire would be open to anyone, this feature wouldn't solve your problem. For the ISK, hiring players would gain you much more capability than AI provides. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
6713
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Posted - 2014.06.01 05:42:00 -
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And then what would only be fair is for your NPC's to hire NPC's. Of course then you would need to pay the NPC's more.. to pay the NPC's and the NPC's that those NPC's hire Why not just take out the whole combat thing and replace it with an ISK coin slot? So player ship initiates "battle" with another player, drops some ISK into the slot. Then your turn you need to match or beat whatever amount of ISK he put in. Then you keep doing this until someone runs out of ISK or manages to escape (if they have enough for the ISK fee to escape). But if you don't escape, you are automatically sent to your cloning facility when you loose. This way we don't have huge NPC blob wars filling every star system. |
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