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Vincintius Agrippa
F L O O D
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Posted - 2014.06.02 06:37:00 -
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Wait a second. I just spent almost a ******* month training drone Interfacing 5 and now your reducing the bonus to 10%? Are you serious? Sure your increasing the damage of all drones to compensate, but I wouldn't have spent 20+days just for a 10% bonus that would apply to only 1 weapon system. I trained because I wanted a measurable increase in dps, equivalent to another drone damage amp, for my drone boats, which also happened to boost my dps of non drone boats by a fair amount as well. You say your doing things to make eve more friendly to new player, but in general your not. I dont see how making what was originally one skill into 2 or more is new player friendly.. Give the new Gila 25Mbits. Its bonus would only apply to either Heavy drones, or heavy and mediums. That way I can deploy a Super Fed Navy Ogre with the ehp of a cruiser. Not to mention have a -áfull flight of warriors. |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
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Posted - 2014.06.02 06:38:00 -
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I have drone interfacing to 5 on 11 characters. I am fine with the changes.
Whine moar.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
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Posted - 2014.06.02 06:40:00 -
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When you do a fresh install of the EVE client, part of the terms and conditions that nobody ever reads states that the game is being continually rebalanced and by clicking "accept" you waive any right to compensation for this sort of thing.
(I did in fact just make that up, but if its not already in there it definitely should be) Fleet Bookmarks New Gravimetric Sites Med Clones 2.0 |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
710
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Posted - 2014.06.02 06:51:00 -
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*head explodes* |
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
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Posted - 2014.06.02 06:55:00 -
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Swiftstrike1 wrote:When you do a fresh install of the EVE client, part of the terms and conditions that nobody ever reads states that the game is being continually rebalanced and by clicking "accept" you waive any right to compensation for this sort of thing.
(I did in fact just make that up, but if its not already in there it definitely should be)
As someone who does read them (at least for the major releases)....... there is a line in there something like that.... besides - OP - you've had the use of the skill for however long - if it's not more than 28d, then you should have kept an eye to devblogs and we have no sympathy For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it WILL be. |
Luscius Uta
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Posted - 2014.06.02 07:10:00 -
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I found the OP's tears delicious, will put some in my tea. Highsec is for casuals. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.06.02 07:10:00 -
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+20% damage / level was unbalanced compared to other skills.
+10% is more in line with, say, Sharpshooter that gives you +5% dmg/level for all turrets for a third of the training time. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.06.02 07:14:00 -
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Vincintius Agrippa wrote:You say your doing things to make eve more friendly to new player, but in general your not. I dont see how making what was originally one skill into 2 or more is new player friendly..
it is, because it's increasing the dps of untrained drones (you know, new players who haven't trained many drone skills) while not raising the highest bar (that of veterans with "max" skills). the gap between untrained, and trained drone dps has narrowed without creating a power creep.
it might be wise to stop, think, then post in the future. |
Vincintius Agrippa
F L O O D
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Posted - 2014.06.02 07:29:00 -
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Also, I cant even fly a supercarrier let alone a carrier, but the idea that a supercarier not being super is jut plain stupid. I'm sorry, but a supercarrier that can only deploy 10 fighter-bombers is just pathetic. Give the new Gila 25Mbits. Its bonus would only apply to either Heavy drones, or heavy and mediums. That way I can deploy a Super Fed Navy Ogre with the ehp of a cruiser. Not to mention have a -áfull flight of warriors. |
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
388
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Posted - 2014.06.02 07:32:00 -
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Vincintius Agrippa wrote:Also, I cant even fly a supercarrier let alone a carrier, but the idea that a supercarier not being super is jut plain stupid. I'm sorry, but a supercarrier that can only deploy 10 fighter-bombers is just pathetic.
No its inline with the other underwhelming Weaponsystems...
BTW, your Drones get stronger so you still have the same stats before Drone Interfacing V so i dont see the problems. Meet the Mario Kart 8 - Capsuleer Club Cup |
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Vincintius Agrippa
F L O O D
51
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Posted - 2014.06.02 07:33:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Vincintius Agrippa wrote:You say your doing things to make eve more friendly to new player, but in general your not. I dont see how making what was originally one skill into 2 or more is new player friendly.. it is, because it's increasing the dps of untrained drones (you know, new players who haven't trained many drone skills) while not raising the highest bar (that of veterans with "max" skills). the gap between untrained, and trained drone dps has narrowed without creating a power creep. it might be wise to stop, think, then post in the future.
Oh so wait, newbies have to train skills to do moar damage? Who'da thunk it. Give the new Gila 25Mbits. Its bonus would only apply to either Heavy drones, or heavy and mediums. That way I can deploy a Super Fed Navy Ogre with the ehp of a cruiser. Not to mention have a -áfull flight of warriors. |
Karen Avioras
Unsung Heroes Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.06.02 07:35:00 -
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20 days for Drone Interfacing V? What? |
Vincintius Agrippa
F L O O D
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Posted - 2014.06.02 07:37:00 -
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Lephia DeGrande wrote:Vincintius Agrippa wrote:Also, I cant even fly a supercarrier let alone a carrier, but the idea that a supercarier not being super is jut plain stupid. I'm sorry, but a supercarrier that can only deploy 10 fighter-bombers is just pathetic. No its inline with the other underwhelming Weaponsystems... BTW, your Drones get stronger so you still have the same stats before Drone Interfacing V so i dont see the problems.
Point is, if i spent 20+ days training a skill and they reduce the time needed to train it after its been trained( as i doubt an extra 10% damage would justify 20 days of skill training, 7-12 max.) then I do have a reason to be upset. That sp couldve went to something else. Give the new Gila 25Mbits. Its bonus would only apply to either Heavy drones, or heavy and mediums. That way I can deploy a Super Fed Navy Ogre with the ehp of a cruiser. Not to mention have a -áfull flight of warriors. |
Kasife Vynneve
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
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Posted - 2014.06.02 07:40:00 -
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Because having 20 of the things was the only thing that made them a super? |
Vincintius Agrippa
F L O O D
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Posted - 2014.06.02 07:40:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Vincintius Agrippa wrote:You say your doing things to make eve more friendly to new player, but in general your not. I dont see how making what was originally one skill into 2 or more is new player friendly.. it is, because it's increasing the dps of untrained drones (you know, new players who haven't trained many drone skills) while not raising the highest bar (that of veterans with "max" skills). the gap between untrained, and trained drone dps has narrowed without creating a power creep. it might be wise to stop, think, then post in the future.
I know I still get the same dps, thats not the point. Point is, I dont see a situation where the 10% bonus to drones stays at the current 20%'s 20+day training que. Give the new Gila 25Mbits. Its bonus would only apply to either Heavy drones, or heavy and mediums. That way I can deploy a Super Fed Navy Ogre with the ehp of a cruiser. Not to mention have a -áfull flight of warriors. |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
524
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Posted - 2014.06.02 07:42:00 -
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This is Features and Ideas not Whine and Whinge.
10% is still well worth having especially as most level 5 weapons skills give you a 2 or 3% increase at most for the same training time. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Vincintius Agrippa
F L O O D
52
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Posted - 2014.06.02 07:43:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:+20% damage / level was unbalanced compared to other skills.
+10% is more in line with, say, Sharpshooter that gives you +5% dmg/level for all turrets for a third of the training time.
That's not the point I was making. As long as dps says the same it's cool. Iths the training time im concerned with, as I doubt it will still be 20+ days. Give the new Gila 25Mbits. Its bonus would only apply to either Heavy drones, or heavy and mediums. That way I can deploy a Super Fed Navy Ogre with the ehp of a cruiser. Not to mention have a -áfull flight of warriors. |
Vincintius Agrippa
F L O O D
52
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Posted - 2014.06.02 07:44:00 -
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Samillian wrote:This is Features and Ideas not Whine and Whinge.
10% is still well worth having especially as most level 5 weapons skills give you a 2 or 3% increase at most for the same training time.
I wish people would actually pay attention instead of outwardly attacking everyone that posts something. Give the new Gila 25Mbits. Its bonus would only apply to either Heavy drones, or heavy and mediums. That way I can deploy a Super Fed Navy Ogre with the ehp of a cruiser. Not to mention have a -áfull flight of warriors. |
Vincintius Agrippa
F L O O D
52
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Posted - 2014.06.02 08:10:00 -
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Xe'Cara'eos wrote:Swiftstrike1 wrote:When you do a fresh install of the EVE client, part of the terms and conditions that nobody ever reads states that the game is being continually rebalanced and by clicking "accept" you waive any right to compensation for this sort of thing.
(I did in fact just make that up, but if its not already in there it definitely should be) As someone who does read them (at least for the major releases)....... there is a line in there something like that.... besides - OP - you've had the use of the skill for however long - if it's not more than 28d, then you should have kept an eye to devblogs and we have no sympathy
First off, the last official thread on drone changes was x many of months ago and disappeared Infinity+ pages back in the f&i board. There hasn't been anything in the kronos expansion threads yet.
As for devblogs, When something important is announced I do read it. However unlike you I don't carry my pc to the bathroom while im sh+++++g on the toilet, nor do I sleep with it on my pillow. I also dont have the devblog ios app or the rss mobile feed. Give the new Gila 25Mbits. Its bonus would only apply to either Heavy drones, or heavy and mediums. That way I can deploy a Super Fed Navy Ogre with the ehp of a cruiser. Not to mention have a -áfull flight of warriors. |
Vincintius Agrippa
F L O O D
52
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Posted - 2014.06.02 08:13:00 -
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Luscius Uta wrote:I found the OP's tears delicious, will put some in my tea.
Trolling someone who asks a serious question. Just wow. If you have nothing constructive or nice to say, dont post. Give the new Gila 25Mbits. Its bonus would only apply to either Heavy drones, or heavy and mediums. That way I can deploy a Super Fed Navy Ogre with the ehp of a cruiser. Not to mention have a -áfull flight of warriors. |
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Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
710
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Posted - 2014.06.02 08:17:00 -
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Vincintius Agrippa wrote:Luscius Uta wrote:I found the OP's tears delicious, will put some in my tea. Trolling someone who asks a serious question. Just wow. If you have nothing constructive or nice to say, dont post. asking a serious question? sounded more like an unreasonable demand to me. |
Vincintius Agrippa
F L O O D
52
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Posted - 2014.06.02 08:24:00 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:I have drone interfacing to 5 on 11 characters. I am fine with the changes.
Whine moar.
Ahh yes, because if you don't like a topic that someone brings up, or don't even fully pay attention to what was said, it immediately becomes less important and inferior to your own ideas and thus deserves your bashing and failed tear collection.
Good day gentlemen, once again youve greeted someone trying to generate a civilized conversation about something worthy of discussion with satire, demeaning remarks, bigotry, and worst of all verbal attacks. You really fail.
Please close thread GM's Give the new Gila 25Mbits. Its bonus would only apply to either Heavy drones, or heavy and mediums. That way I can deploy a Super Fed Navy Ogre with the ehp of a cruiser. Not to mention have a -áfull flight of warriors. |
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
388
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Posted - 2014.06.02 09:29:00 -
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I dunno when you finished this skill but until Kronos you had a significant advantage over other non-Vs thats your reward for beeing the early bird.
Edit: The real losers are those who have to skill an long skill for less bonus imho. Meet the Mario Kart 8 - Capsuleer Club Cup |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
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Posted - 2014.06.02 09:36:00 -
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Vincintius Agrippa wrote:Lephia DeGrande wrote:Vincintius Agrippa wrote:Also, I cant even fly a supercarrier let alone a carrier, but the idea that a supercarier not being super is jut plain stupid. I'm sorry, but a supercarrier that can only deploy 10 fighter-bombers is just pathetic. No its inline with the other underwhelming Weaponsystems... BTW, your Drones get stronger so you still have the same stats before Drone Interfacing V so i dont see the problems. Point is, if i spent 20+ days training a skill and they reduce the time needed to train it after its been trained( as i doubt an extra 10% damage would justify 20 days of skill training, 7-12 max.) then I do have a reason to be upset. That sp couldve went to something else.
Lessee here...
"Properly Specc'd" character (i.e. Per/Will, +5s) for a Rank 5 skill is 17 days. For gunnery (i.e. "Medium [Type] Specialization"), this is a 2% raw damage boost for the guns. For Drone Interfacing, it's 10% (well, post patch -- the other 50% is being rolled into the drones base stats -- this is why the Gecko is so damn OP right now).
Would be 24 days with a base stats / no implants character.
Yup, it's perfectly fine. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Sigras
Conglomo
774
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Posted - 2014.06.02 09:56:00 -
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Honestly, what do you expect when you come to the forums with a thread title demanding a SP refund because *entitlement*
They stated a while ago that they wanted to start eliminating skills that are mandatory for 90% of ships.
Consider if engineering gave you +50% PG per level; everyone would absolutely need that skill to level 5. In fact they couldnt be competitive without it, and that would be bad game design because you wouldnt be making a choice, you'd be just doing something that you needed to do in order to compete.
Drone interfacing was kinda that way where you basically had to have that skill to 5 or GTFO, and you recognized this (which is why you trained it to level 5). They're being nice and not just nerfing the skill outright, but they're keeping your power level right where it is now. if you no longer got the bonus from the skill I could see your complaint, but that isnt the case. |
Dave Stark
6087
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Posted - 2014.06.02 10:03:00 -
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Vincintius Agrippa wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Vincintius Agrippa wrote:You say your doing things to make eve more friendly to new player, but in general your not. I dont see how making what was originally one skill into 2 or more is new player friendly.. it is, because it's increasing the dps of untrained drones (you know, new players who haven't trained many drone skills) while not raising the highest bar (that of veterans with "max" skills). the gap between untrained, and trained drone dps has narrowed without creating a power creep. it might be wise to stop, think, then post in the future. Oh so wait, newbies have to train skills to do moar damage? Who'da thunk it.
i see you missed the point spectacularly. unsurprising. |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
393
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Posted - 2014.06.02 11:41:00 -
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Vincintius Agrippa wrote: Ahh yes, because if you don't like a topic that someone brings up, or don't even fully pay attention to what was said, it immediately becomes less important and inferior to your own ideas and thus deserves your bashing and failed tear collection.
Good day gentlemen, once again youve greeted someone trying to generate a civilized conversation about something worthy of discussion with satire, demeaning remarks, bigotry, and worst of all verbal attacks. You really fail.
Please close thread GM's
"once again youve greeted someone trying to generate a civilized conversation about something worthy of discussion"
Vincintius Agrippa wrote: Wait a second. I just spent almost a ******* month training drone Interfacing 5 and now your reducing the bonus to 10%? Are you serious?
Civilized conversation about something worthy of discussion my ass.
You are just whining.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Major Trant
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
732
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Posted - 2014.06.02 12:00:00 -
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Vincintius Agrippa wrote:Point is, if i spent 20+ days training a skill and they reduce the time needed to train it after its been trained( as i doubt an extra 10% damage would justify 20 days of skill training, 7-12 max.) then I do have a reason to be upset. That sp couldve went to something else. I can't find the devblog now, but I don't remember them saying they were going to reduce the Tier level of the skill.
Are you just making an assumption that the Tier level will come down, because it is no longer as beneficial to train (per level) as before? That doesn't sound reasonable to me, if a skill needed 26 days to train that was because you needed to train 1.5M SP (or whatever) in that skill. If the time comes down, that is because the Tier has come down and with it the amount of SP needed.
I'm quite certain that isn't happening, but I can't find the Devblog to confirm. However, if people are going to be left with an excess of SP trained, that would be refunded. It would be ridiculous to have on your skills sheet a skill showing "1.5M SP Trained of max 900K SP" CTRL-Q - Minmatar FW - Low Sec PvP - Euro TZ - New Player Friendly Contact: Major Trant In game channel: FeO Public Recruitment thread: CTRL-Q |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3082
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Posted - 2014.06.02 13:05:00 -
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Quote:3. Ranting is prohibited.
A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents. Thread has no idea or feature to discuss. Thread closed. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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