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Felicity Love
It Was the Year 3030
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Posted - 2014.06.03 02:28:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:
It will also give new players a way to "catch up", rewarding actual skill, not just time subscribed.
Clueless is still clueless, be it after several weeks or several years, 1mil sp or 100mil sp. Funny, that.
"HTFU ! " -á--- -áKatee Sackhoff, aka "The F-Bomb Queen of EVE" ! !-á
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KnowUsByTheDead
1768
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Posted - 2014.06.03 05:49:00 -
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Yolo wrote:No Nej +ä+º jo geen +++¦ he+º bir ez aª¿aª+ ne -+-¦ Dili neniu ei hindi aucun non -î-ç+¦ ßâÉßâáßâÉßâáßâÿßâí a¬òa½ïa¬ê Pa gen Ba +£+É añ¿añ¦aÑÇañé tsis mba tidak Uimh Nei püäpüäpüê Ana +º+Ö+Ö+ƒ a¦ça¦¦a¦ìa¦¦ ßPé߃ÆßPÿßP¦ßPô µùá täí 8òädïê ne a¦Üa+ìa+êa¦ía¦¦ n-ô Nru añ¿añ+añ¦aÑÇ
Not empty quoting. Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. |
Vivec Septim
The Bene Gesserit Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2014.06.03 05:53:00 -
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NO, just NO! |
Vivec Septim
The Bene Gesserit Sanctuary Pact
33
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Posted - 2014.06.03 05:55:00 -
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This is coming from a PvE guy -- and I can STILL see how 'active' SP would break EVE. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3661
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Posted - 2014.06.03 05:57:00 -
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I wonder if you can drown someone in napalm or if they would burn up before they suffocate.... Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Alienated Joe
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.06.03 06:42:00 -
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Everyone likes to jump in the troll-wagon nowadays.
Tippia wrote:It was tried. It was as horrible as you'd expect. It was removed.
So no.
If they'd have removed every horrible system we wouldn't have had EVE has we know it.
They just need to not reward mindless repetitions. A little message poping-up every now and then with a few extra SP, rewarding your everyday activities, from traveling to station trading, would be the way to go.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
619
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Posted - 2014.06.03 06:43:00 -
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bad idea of course -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
283
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Posted - 2014.06.03 07:10:00 -
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Alienated Joe wrote:They just need to not reward mindless repetitions. A little message poping-up every now and then with a few extra SP, rewarding your everyday activities, from traveling to station trading, would be the way to go. Except that there would be a system - and that system would be discected, analysed and optimised... and because of the way the internet works that optimisation would rapidly become the way you play. You'd probably end up with a situation akin to that just prior to the removal of learning skills; "If you do anything but grind learning skills for your first month you're doing it wrong." |
Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
589
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Posted - 2014.06.03 07:38:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:There should be SP rewards for taking action in EvE. As the isk faucets continue to get drawn down there needs to be other rewards for actually participating in EvE. The SP gained in this way could be distributed at the players discretion.
It will also give new players a way to "catch up", rewarding actual skill, not just time subscribed.
It also has the potential of increasing Plex sales. As players advance they will still need to buy skill books. Accelerated advancement would put SP gain way ahead of isk gain giving a players a choice of grinding to their new shiny or just shelling out the RL currency of their choice.
Discuss if you would like.
Discussed to death over the past 10 years.
Also, 'catching up' is done by people with real skills, not by characters with a skillpoint stat. A player who actually uses an interceptor for 6 months will always be better than a player who only trains skills for them and never flies them.
If you really need a stat to describe actual skill, EVE may not be the right game for you...
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |
Riyria Twinpeaks
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
1975
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Posted - 2014.06.03 08:14:00 -
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Rewards for participating in EvE: Making isk and using your isk to do whatever you want to do. If you need additional SP gain as a motivation to play at all, then you obviously don't have fun playing this game anyway.
Way to "catch up": that's wrong. You'd give people who can play a lot an advantage in SP gain over people who can't play a lot. You'd increase the disparity in SP distribution among all players, as there will be long-time players who can play a lot, thus increasing their SP even more, and newer players who can't play a lot, thus gain SP slower than others. |
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Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
262
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Posted - 2014.06.03 08:49:00 -
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Yeah, because then we could all go and hunt boars in the forest all day,,,,, |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
1093
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Posted - 2014.06.03 08:50:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:4 PLEX for 1 months of Premium Account!
200% Passive SP gain
200% RP gain per battle
150% Stamina increase
+20000 golden tickets (premium currency)
Access to Premium Account only missions with unique loot!
/nope.
Lol, Sounds like you've played Warthunder... o_O Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Dave Stark
6120
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Posted - 2014.06.03 08:56:00 -
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new players already have a way to catch up; specialise. |
Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
15
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Posted - 2014.06.03 10:15:00 -
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No to the idea of SP for participation
There's a wall of text bubbling up within me centred on the outrage I feel that anyone playing this game could even suggest something as horrible as the idea of SP for participation.
I shall spare you however, as you don't need the angst on patch day.
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Arean Proktor
Eternal Darkness. Get Off My Lawn
6
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Posted - 2014.06.03 10:21:00 -
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Probably should use alt to post this, but sometimes enjoy the hate:
Would be less game breaking if there are one time goals set, e.g.: mine 2mio-¦ ore get X SP - once per char same for missions, industry, research, pvp and so on...
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22336
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Posted - 2014.06.03 10:37:00 -
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Arean Proktor wrote:Probably should use alt to post this, but sometimes enjoy the hate:
Would be less game breaking if there are one time goals set, e.g.: mine 2mio-¦ ore get X SP - once per char same for missions, industry, research, pvp and so on... GÇ£Less game breakingGÇ¥ is still too much. And for what? What's the purpose other than to make people do things they have no interest in?
The beauty of the EVE skill system is that it lets you play the game rather than mindlessly grind XP for some kind of static progression. As it is, active gameplay already massively rewards the player and lets new players GÇ£catch upGÇ¥ in roughly no time flat. Attaching a grind mechanic would be horrible for EVE since it drastically hurts the ability to just play the game rather than ProgressQuest.
For SP, GÇ£catching upGÇ¥ isn't even an applicable concept since the skill system makes it inevitable that you reach the same levels as everyone else in very short order. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Arean Proktor
Eternal Darkness. Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2014.06.03 10:48:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GÇ£Less game breakingGÇ¥ is still too much. And for what? What's the purpose other than to make people do things they have no interest in?
Sometimes you need to give people some candy so they try out new things. Also this wouldn-¦t enable people to catch up. Bittervets have the same amount of possible SP earned. Just a cut down to skilltime - which I agree might not be good at all.
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Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3286
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:04:00 -
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Arean Proktor wrote:Tippia wrote:GÇ£Less game breakingGÇ¥ is still too much. And for what? What's the purpose other than to make people do things they have no interest in? Sometimes you need to give people some candy so they try out new things. Also this wouldn-¦t enable people to catch up. Bittervets have the same amount of possible SP earned. Just a cut down to skilltime - which I agree might not be good at all.
The incentive for trying something new is the experience of trying something new. If you have to be bribed to try something new, that doesn't mean you want to try it. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:21:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Arean Proktor wrote:Sometimes you need to give people some candy so they try out new things. Also this wouldn-¦t enable people to catch up. Bittervets have the same amount of possible SP earned. Just a cut down to skilltime - which I agree might not be good at all. The incentive for trying something new is the experience of trying something new. If you have to be bribed to try something new, that doesn't mean you want to try it. This. The new activity itself is the candy. Paying people to be allowed to shove wasabi down their throats isn't the same as giving them candy. If it's a problem that people don't try other things, then the problem is with those other things so that's where the fix should happen. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Othran
Route One
722
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:35:00 -
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This was in-game in 2003 and was abused & exploited in every way imaginable.
Its not going to happen again.
Oh and well done to OP for raising the topic yet again, not like it hasn't been asked dozens of times already |
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
589
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:50:00 -
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Othran wrote:This was in-game in 2003 and was abused & exploited in every way imaginable. Its not going to happen again. Oh and well done to OP for raising the topic yet again, not like it hasn't been asked dozens of times already
I'm fairly sure we've gone over 'thousands' in the time i've been active.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1964
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:01:00 -
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Eh I could see things like small guns, armor reps, etc being actively trained whereas skills like armor resistance, power management, etc skills could be trained passively. However it isn't worth it in an already established game like Eve. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
453
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:12:00 -
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CCP could consider to continue easing some Lvl 5 prereqs (the only significant time sinks), like they recently did with Power Mgmt for Thermodynamics for example (prereq lvl 4, was 5), or racial bs for carriers.
For example, in my part of New Eden HAC+T2 logi gangs are popular, but not every corp can field them regularly.
Considering a 'bare minimum' pvp fit that also entails a couple of Lvl 5 skill prereqs (T2 cruiser-sized weapons, T2 tank, ...) it's a couple of months training time (after you already have basic pvp support skills trained).
I'm not so sure EVE pvp wouldn't be more enjoyable for everybody if, say, racial cruiser 4 was enough for T2 cruisers, or 'medium wepaon system 4' was enough for T2 weaponry. Leaving lvl 5 just for that extra 5% or so edge.
Let's consider it from the 'vets' perspective. Most Corps that enjoy PVP aren't really 'happy' if their 'enemies' in the area have, say, a few vets that have less time to play because of RL and several eager newbros that aren't able to give them a challenging fight in their T1s. Especially if those newbros would happily put more ISK on the field - making things more interesting for all - if they only had the SP to field the shinier ships.
On the contrary, the vets would certainly enjoy more fights in shinier ships, also (probably especailly) if they could prevail on the newbros anyway because of their superior player skill and experience.
Considering that RL often doesn't allow many people to pvp regularly for 2 or 3 years, why not accelerate the turnover? I'm referring specifically to T2 pvp ships and weaponry, cruiser and above. |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
527
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:16:00 -
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OK here we go again.
No.
No the last time.
No the time before that.
No the umpteen times before that.
The skill system in eve works, it is reasonably fair and as far as I know can't be exploited or gamed. The last thing that needs to be done is to throw that working system under the bus and replace it with an exploitable grind or take that system and bolt a gamable components to it. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
849
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:27:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:4 PLEX for 1 months of Premium Account!
200% Passive SP gain
200% RP gain per battle
150% Stamina increase
+20000 golden tickets (premium currency)
Access to Premium Account only missions with unique loot!
/nope. I approve of this plan Then you get done and realize you paid twice as much plex Whoops |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
395
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:41:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:I wonder if you can drown someone in napalm or if they would burn up before they suffocate....
Napalm burns on the surface, so yes one could drown in it without getting a single burn mark. Well, provided the person in question was submerged before the napalm was set on fire. Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10254
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:51:00 -
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Sable Moran wrote:Abrazzar wrote:I wonder if you can drown someone in napalm or if they would burn up before they suffocate.... Napalm burns on the surface, so yes one could drown in it without getting a single burn mark. Well, provided the person in question was submerged before the napalm was set on fire. "Then he turned to his pyromancer. 'Burn them all,' he said. 'Burn them in their homes. Burn them in their beds.' " "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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De'Veldrin
Saint's Industries Brothers of Tangra
2101
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:55:00 -
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I would like to propose an update to the forums that automagically bans anyone who uses the phrase "passive SP would be good for Eve" in a post.
I mean after this one, obviously. GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ does not mean that you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you can attempt anything you want to succeed at. One of the largest obstacles in the way of your success is other players. |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3082
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:50:00 -
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Quote:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. Thread closed. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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