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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10267
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Posted - 2014.06.03 23:04:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:This may seem like a silly question, but it would match the approach taken by CCP in the past:
Have you physically tried to fit a DLA I or DLA II to a ship since the patch? No it would not. Go learn how skill requirements work and why that makes you wrong about "the approach taken by CCP in the past." "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10267
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Posted - 2014.06.03 23:05:00 -
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Miss Masquerade wrote:I was about to QQ, then I remember the extra 6 (or so) million free SP that CCP pushed onto my characters after the change to/of racial BC's and Destroyers. So, nevermind! Yes, I utterly rejoiced at an arbitrary number growing larger and having to pay for a more expensive clone when I get podded.
Although it was nice training for an Archon without having to train Amarr Battleship V. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Ohhhh Feely Nice
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2014.06.04 00:45:00 -
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I got screwed over with the Battlecruiser/Destroyer changes. Being a new player at the time I was not setup to take advantage of that free 3-4 months of free trianing.
Now I got screwed over again, this time for actually following the blog. Lost 32 man days total, which we can value at roughly 750mil ISK.
Which explains WHY people are upset about this. I wonder how the nay-sayers would feel if CCP were to randomly blow up their faction fit T3 worth 750mil while in space. When they ask for reimbursement, they tell them "sorry but working as intended".
Would love to see how they would react. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1358
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Posted - 2014.06.04 00:49:00 -
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You lost nothing, your SP actually went up, not down. But take that whine to a different thread. This isn't about SP.
This is about the fact that people who could use DLA II's before now can't and have to train for up to 5 days to get them back. |
Ohhhh Feely Nice
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2014.06.04 00:56:00 -
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Do you deny that the 8 days I trained CDO to V for is not wasted today? Do you deny that if I had trained for any other skillpoints instead, I would have exactly that many more skillpoints right now? Do you deny that in such instance I'd still have the exact same drone skills I have today, just with more other skills?
Disable your skill queue for 8 days on all accounts please. If you are unwilling to do so you are admitting it matters. If CCP stopped your skill queue for 8 days, would you be pissed? Would you perhaps QQ on the forums about it?
Hypocrites, you all would.
Moreover:
CDO V (10 days full training) gives you Light/Med Drone V, nothing else. SDO V (5 days full training) gives you Light/Med Drone V and Drone Avionics V.
Why would a 1x skill be giving more than a 2x skill? So it's not even just the one problem; the whole thing is arbitrary and completely illogical. If you don't see it, don't know what else to say. It's pretty obvious.
Defending this is defending stupidity. Especially considering the dev blog was never stated the updated changes with SDO V. NEVER.
Now once again.... please go disable your skill queue for 8 days on all accounts. Just like I did when I trained CDO to V for no reason due to the dev blog. When you are unwilling to, recognize why, and support my point here. |
Rikki Bigg
EVE University Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2014.06.04 02:11:00 -
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Ohhhh Feely Nice wrote:Do you deny that the 8 days I trained CDO to V for is not wasted today? Do you deny that if I had trained for any other skillpoints instead, I would have exactly that many more skillpoints right now? Do you deny that in such instance I'd still have the exact same drone skills I have today, just with more other skills?
Disable your skill queue for 8 days on all accounts please. If you are unwilling to do so you are admitting it matters. If CCP stopped your skill queue for 8 days, would you be pissed? Would you perhaps QQ on the forums about it?
Hypocrites, you all would.
Moreover:
CDO V (10 days full training) gives you Light/Med Drone V, nothing else. SDO V (5 days full training) gives you Light/Med Drone V and Drone Avionics V.
Why would a 1x skill be giving more than a 2x skill? So it's not even just the one problem; the whole thing is arbitrary and completely illogical. If you don't see it, don't know what else to say. It's pretty obvious.
Defending this is defending stupidity. Especially considering the dev blog was never stated the updated changes with SDO V. NEVER.
Now once again.... please go disable your skill queue for 8 days on all accounts. Just like I did when I trained CDO to V for no reason due to the dev blog. When you are unwilling to, recognize why, and support my point here.
Your point seems rather dull when you drone on and one about it.
Yes I am sympathetic to you, and to others that didn't get the best deal with regards to the training. CCP set a bad precedent when they allowed Scout Drone Operations to turn into Light and Medium Drones, particularly since they had already announced Combat Drones as the standard (and since Combat gave the relevant bonuses through its levels, while Scout gave range bonuses). It's really quite pitiable that a company whose motto is HTFU didn't tell their players that in this case. Everyone had two months of time to train Combat to gain Light/Med from the announcement.
Yes, it leaves a poor taste that players with both skills trained feel slighted. Yes, it leaves an equally bad taste for players like you that followed the official information presented in the devblog that feel as if they wasted training time.
But the issue, and the reason that you will get so many players dismissing you without a moments pause is that you lack leverage on the issue.
Get behind an issue that has leverage, and when the issue becomes exposed to more people, it might develop into a situation where you can feel that you have received some satisfaction towards your grievance.
In the meantime (and by total chance, in a related topic) players that had Combat Drone Operation trained to V before the update were able to use Drone Link Augmentor II modules. Players that had Combat Drone Operation trained to III were able to use the T1 and meta versions. Oddly, these players cannot now... |
Xasnevian
sadfadsfadsadsf
44
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Posted - 2014.06.04 07:16:00 -
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Miss Masquerade wrote:I was about to QQ, then I remember the extra 6 (or so) million free SP that CCP pushed onto my characters after the change to/of racial BC's and Destroyers. So, nevermind!
Good for you! I'm glad you're happy with more skillpoints that give you no extra ability at all! |
Luscius Uta
90
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Posted - 2014.06.04 08:11:00 -
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I think that the OP created this thread just to troll CCP. The only advantage that T2 Drone Link Augmenter has over the T1 version is few extra kilometers of drone control range. If the OP really cares so much about his drone control range, then he wouldn't leave his Scout Drone Operation skill at 0. Don't blame CCP for bad skill plans.
Highsec is for casuals. |
Don Purple
234
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Posted - 2014.06.04 08:30:00 -
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Chris Winter wrote:Given that they always say "if you can use it before, you can use it after" this sounds like an oversight to me. That is not true I am just here to snuggle. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
1073
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Posted - 2014.06.04 08:55:00 -
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Rikki Bigg wrote:I had Combat Drone Operation to level V (five) prior to the skill change.
I had Scout Drone Operation to level 0 (zero) prior to the skill change.
I now have Light Drones V, Medium Drones V, and Drone Avionics 0, working as intended.
The information with the change that was updated in the dev blog (too late to take advantage of it, mind you), indicated that if you had Scout Drone Operation V, you would also get Light/Medium V. It was never explicitly given as a reason, but the access of T2 Light/Med from the skill is likely the reason.
My issue is this, I was able to use Drone Link Augmentor II prior to the patch, by vitrue of Combat Drone Operation V. It was quite useful for repair/ecm drone range. Sadly now I am unable to.
All this could have been avoided had the original devblog been updated in a timely manner after the post was made, sadly it was not. I feel a double standard has been applied, with some players gaining an unfair advantage over others.
As much as I would love to demand Drone Avionics V to be able to use Drone Link Augmentor II's, I realize it wont happen (especially since Combat Drone Operation is gone, it is something that would have had to go through with the skill conversion). But I would like to have an open discussion with other players regarding their thoughts on the issue, or how it might have personally affected them.
restarted 2 dual account training to make sure i had the new skills on alts that needed them. the change to scout drone was in fact done in a timely manner and dozens of threads started mentioning it. i removed combat drone from all my skill queues as a result Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
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Rikki Bigg
EVE University Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2014.06.04 13:21:00 -
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Luscius Uta wrote:I think that the OP created this thread just to troll CCP. The only advantage that T2 Drone Link Augmenter has over the T1 version is few extra kilometers of drone control range. If the OP really cares so much about his drone control range, then he wouldn't leave his Scout Drone Operation skill at 0. Don't blame CCP for bad skill plans.
I cant use either version, and I could use both versions before the change.
Furthermore, I have trained Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacting (now Advanced Drone Avionics) for access to ECM drones and I get drone control range from that skill. Why should I be forced to train a skill off map for something I already trained to use? |
Rikki Bigg
EVE University Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2014.06.04 13:28:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:Rikki Bigg wrote:I had Combat Drone Operation to level V (five) prior to the skill change.
I had Scout Drone Operation to level 0 (zero) prior to the skill change.
I now have Light Drones V, Medium Drones V, and Drone Avionics 0, working as intended.
The information with the change that was updated in the dev blog (too late to take advantage of it, mind you), indicated that if you had Scout Drone Operation V, you would also get Light/Medium V. It was never explicitly given as a reason, but the access of T2 Light/Med from the skill is likely the reason.
My issue is this, I was able to use Drone Link Augmentor II prior to the patch, by vitrue of Combat Drone Operation V. It was quite useful for repair/ecm drone range. Sadly now I am unable to.
All this could have been avoided had the original devblog been updated in a timely manner after the post was made, sadly it was not. I feel a double standard has been applied, with some players gaining an unfair advantage over others.
As much as I would love to demand Drone Avionics V to be able to use Drone Link Augmentor II's, I realize it wont happen (especially since Combat Drone Operation is gone, it is something that would have had to go through with the skill conversion). But I would like to have an open discussion with other players regarding their thoughts on the issue, or how it might have personally affected them. restarted 2 dual account training to make sure i had the new skills on alts that needed them. the change to scout drone was in fact done in a timely manner and dozens of threads started mentioning it. i removed combat drone from all my skill queues as a result
The official change to Scout Drones in an official capacity was not done in a timely manner. I had already trained Combat Drone Operations, and had only one rank in Scout Drone Operations. I received Light and Medium Drones, the same as every player that could use them through Scout Drone did. All I am asking for is the same treatment, the ability to use the Drone Link Augmentors that I was able to use before, the same as players that got the converted Drone Avionics have.
I was unable to remove Combat Drone from all my skill queue, as I already had it at V. I fail to see how my situation of being able to use DLA before and currently cannot is any different from players that were able to use T2 drones from Scout Drone that were grandfathered in to the Light/Medium change...
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Paul Panala
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
173
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Posted - 2014.06.04 13:52:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:You lost nothing, your SP actually went up, not down. But take that whine to a different thread. This isn't about SP.
This is about the fact that people who could use DLA II's before now can't and have to train for up to 5 days to get them back.
My skill points are exactly the same as before the patch. I got 0 new SP. Other players got as many as 512,000 SP for free. |
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CCP Rise
C C P C C P Alliance
4266
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Posted - 2014.06.04 14:50:00 -
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Hi
Unfortunately, we missed the changes to Drone Link Augmentor skill requirements in skill change script that ran at release and so the case described in the OP has affected a group of players, though thankfully not a very large one.
We are getting to work right now on a patch that will check your former Combat Drone Operation skill and give you the new Drone Avionics skill at the same level.
So for example the OP who had Combat Drone Operation V and Scout Drone Operation 0 will be given Drone Avionics skill at level V.
This will take a couple days for us to build and test but we will try to deliver it as soon as absolutely possible.
Sorry we missed this. Fly safe
@ccp_rise |
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Harry Scarey
5 more Minutes
0
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Posted - 2014.06.04 16:11:00 -
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Gavin Dax
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
33
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Posted - 2014.06.04 17:28:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Hi
Unfortunately, we missed the changes to Drone Link Augmentor skill requirements in skill change script that ran at release and so the case described in the OP has affected a group of players, though thankfully not a very large one.
We are getting to work right now on a patch that will check your former Combat Drone Operation skill and give you the new Drone Avionics skill at the same level.
So for example the OP who had Combat Drone Operation V and Scout Drone Operation 0 will be given Drone Avionics skill at level V.
This will take a couple days for us to build and test but we will try to deliver it as soon as absolutely possible.
Sorry we missed this. Fly safe
Thanks for addressing this. What happens if you have already trained that skill though?
Are there any plans to reimburse those pilots that wasted training time on CDO/SDO due to the oversight in that skill conversion? Or should those people just HTFU and accept they got screwed? |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
273
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Posted - 2014.06.04 19:16:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Hi
Unfortunately, we missed the changes to Drone Link Augmentor skill requirements in skill change script that ran at release and so the case described in the OP has affected a group of players, though thankfully not a very large one.
We are getting to work right now on a patch that will check your former Combat Drone Operation skill and give you the new Drone Avionics skill at the same level.
So for example the OP who had Combat Drone Operation V and Scout Drone Operation 0 will be given Drone Avionics skill at level V.
This will take a couple days for us to build and test but we will try to deliver it as soon as absolutely possible.
Sorry we missed this. Fly safe
This was mentioned countless times and there was no reply from CCP. So we all had just assumed that the "you can fly what you could fly before" policy did not apply to modules. Quite surprising to find out this was a mistake given the number of times the issue of the drone link augmentor had been flagged up. |
Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
223
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Posted - 2014.06.04 19:37:00 -
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I could use bouncer ii on some alts before. Now they need minmatar drone spec. Found out the hard way - in space when trying to launch them. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Reginald Farnsworth
Unforeseen Consequences. The Unthinkables
0
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Posted - 2014.06.09 11:10:00 -
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Is there any word on when the patch to fix this problem will finally come..? |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1365
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Posted - 2014.06.09 11:22:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote: This was mentioned countless times and there was no reply from CCP. So we all had just assumed that the "you can fly what you could fly before" policy did not apply to modules. Quite surprising to find out this was a mistake given the number of times the issue of the drone link augmentor had been flagged up.
Actually it was asked many times then after the first changes went on Sisi people read the requirements and stopped asking because the requirements hadn't changed. Since people were asking 'is it changing and if so will we...' The skill change for DLA's was a very last minute change (& an appropriate change) and basically no discussion happened about them actually having to give people with CDO SDO as well because most people thought the skill reqs weren't changing based on the earlier Sisi builds.
So I can entirely see how this slipped through. They are fixing/have fixed it now anyway, so no big deal. |
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1365
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Posted - 2014.06.09 11:24:00 -
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Carniflex wrote:I could use bouncer ii on some alts before. Now they need minmatar drone spec. Found out the hard way - in space when trying to launch them. This was mentioned months ago in the blog directly. And fits CCP's policy as established by Navy Battleships that if it's only a few minutes training and you are given significant notice they won't gift you the skills. Since you could have so easily trained it any time in the last two months as you only need Min spec 1 |
Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
1665
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Posted - 2014.06.09 11:37:00 -
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Ohhhh Feely Nice wrote:Money Makin Mitch wrote:I trained CDO 5 at 10d per pop on 6x accounts due to dev blog, only to watch the skill simply disappear. Wasted the equivalent of 2 months training time. Unfair indeed. Yep. Exact same situation here; 6 accounts, each trained CDO 5 specifically due to the blog. The blog they never updated with the new changes, over 2 months later. I have actually re-unsubscribed my accounts over it. Really tired of the awful communication and social skills of CCP being ignored yet again. Not that I was paying RL $ anyways, but I'm sure the subscription numbers were nice. I had initially unsubscribed for other reasons but resubscribed to help buff their subscription numbers. No more. My loss became their loss. Now that is fair CCP.
Really feel like I am going to unsub my acc's too, it's just one **** move after the other and even though they are mostly small niggles, it grates.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5052
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Posted - 2014.06.09 12:08:00 -
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Problem exists
People cry
CCP apologises and goes out of way to fix problem
People cry they aren't getting ice cream
Why should CCP bother? "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. |
Xasnevian
sadfadsfadsadsf
46
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Posted - 2014.06.09 12:58:00 -
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Free SP for everyone! Except for the ones who actually trained those skills! |
Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
1665
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Posted - 2014.06.09 13:21:00 -
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Xasnevian wrote:Free SP for everyone! Except for the ones who actually trained those skills!
Exactly, FU people who thought this game was about paying a sub to train for better skills! It's like all those companies that offer the best deals to the new customers only!
GG CCP, WP. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5053
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Posted - 2014.06.09 13:23:00 -
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Black Panpher wrote: Exactly, FU people who thought this game was about paying a sub to train for better skills!
Well yeah
The sub is about playing a game, not sitting on your butt watching a timer "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. |
Nolan Pars
Silver Guardians Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2014.06.18 21:02:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Hi
Unfortunately, we missed the changes to Drone Link Augmentor skill requirements in skill change script that ran at release and so the case described in the OP has affected a group of players, though thankfully not a very large one.
We are getting to work right now on a patch that will check your former Combat Drone Operation skill and give you the new Drone Avionics skill at the same level.
So for example the OP who had Combat Drone Operation V and Scout Drone Operation 0 will be given Drone Avionics skill at level V.
This will take a couple days for us to build and test but we will try to deliver it as soon as absolutely possible.
Sorry we missed this. Fly safe
Any news on this patch ? |
Nelly Uanos
Quebec's Underdog League Quebec United Legions
10
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Posted - 2014.06.24 21:33:00 -
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Yup still waiting for news about this "patch"
Even though they release one today... |
Lauresh Thellere
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.07.14 11:46:00 -
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I assume the patch that was referred to by CCP is a reference to something that will never come. |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1223
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Posted - 2014.07.14 11:58:00 -
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Gavin Dax wrote:Should those people just HTFU and accept they got screwed?
Yes. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
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