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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2014.06.05 18:56:00 -
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Cearain wrote: That's interesting. (I think this is different from what you used to say but let's not digress)
No, let's digress. You have no idea what is going on in FW.
Quote:So the systems on that list that are held by caldari are due to the gallente lossing at pvp right? Your not going to claim that those systems were taken by caldari in large part due to rabbit plexing. And if I go in those systems I won't find people warping out of plexes left and right? They are going to stay and fight right? First, "losing" not "lossing" Second, "you're" not "your" Third, "care about" not "nonstop pvp"
Yeah, sorry there isn't nonstop pvp in 95% of the systems. My bad.
I guess we'll just have to settle for having more pvp in more systems in the Gallente-Caldari FW theater than anywhere else in the game. Sucks to be Gallente (and Caldari) militia I guess.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2261
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Posted - 2014.06.05 18:58:00 -
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Veskrashen wrote:[quote=Cearain] To cite a recent example, we were able to flip Kehjari after about a week of plexing followed by a three day orgy of death and destruction.
You're doing it wrong Vesk. You're not supposed to get non stop pvp in one system. You're supposed to get nonstop pvp in every single system. Otherwise FW is a big fail.
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
211
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Posted - 2014.06.05 18:58:00 -
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Cearain wrote:
4. Eha 5. Vlillirier 7. Nennmaila 8. Enaluri 9. Hallanen 19. Nisuwa 20. Notoras
So the systems on that list that are held by caldari are due to the gallente lossing at pvp right? Your not going to claim that those systems were taken by caldari in large part due to rabbit plexing. And if I go in those systems I won't find people warping out of plexes left and right? They are going to stay and fight right?
Start with those and let us know how long you have to wait to get a fight. BLFOX is currently recruiting |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
934
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Posted - 2014.06.05 18:59:00 -
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Cearain wrote:
That's interesting. (I think this is different from what you used to say but let's not digress)
So because its different to when he just used to humor you throwing figures like 95% around, it makes that list somehow less true?
I do remember you being correct about something in the past, cant recall what it was.
X Gallentius wrote: You're doing it wrong Vesk. You're not supposed to get non stop pvp in one system. You're supposed to get nonstop pvp in every single system. Otherwise FW is a big fail.
Also incorrect. Even if that did happen and miraculously cearain accepted it as true (obviously the most important part), im sure he could conjure something else up to drone on about. |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
263
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Posted - 2014.06.05 19:05:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Veskrashen wrote: To cite a recent example, we were able to flip Kehjari after about a week of plexing followed by a three day orgy of death and destruction.
You're doing it wrong Vesk. You're not supposed to get non stop pvp in one system. You're supposed to get nonstop pvp in every single system. Otherwise FW is a big fail. Gotcha. So "occupancy warfare" means "must fight over every plex in every system or it's purely a PvE endeavor."
Got it.
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Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1291
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Posted - 2014.06.05 19:15:00 -
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Veskrashen wrote:Cearain wrote:Ok so we agree with the straight forward view that the side that holds more systems is winning the occupancy war? Or do you like XG want some sort of malleable victory condition about the "terrain" that you can bend to fit whatever theory you want?
Who is "we" in this post? Believe it or not gallente have lots and lots of rabbit alts running plexes. If they all went away caldari would be winning the occupancy war no matter how elite gallente is at pvp. This is so obvious it shouldn't even be controversial.
The problem is that too many vocal people are refusing to acknowledge the actual facts and continue to claim that occupancy in 95% of the systems has something to do with pvp. I'll be happy to agree that success in the occupancy war is primarily measured by the systems you hold. I don't agree that number of systems held is the only measure of that - it's too simplistic. There *is* a real difference between taking a nowhereville stationless system like Arderonne and taking Eha. To ignore that difference is foolish, During the TEST invasion, Gallente was undeniably forced back to a handful of core systems. CalMil was undoubtedly on top in the occupancy war - and noone denied it. GalMil maintained - and continues to maintain - that if you're unable to successfully take home systems away from the opposing militia, you really haven't accomplished much of significance. I view our current "winningness" of the occupancy war in a similar manner - we kicked CalMil out of the majority of their home systems, and successfully countered every major push they made to establish new ones near our home systems. By that measure, we're doing well. CalMil - to give them their due - successfully continued to hold the Heyd / Ladistier area for a good long while, and have reestablished themselves in Kinakka. That's a success in their part, and a start to a new offensive if they want it to be. If 25% or so of the systems in FW matter, because they're station / agent / home systems, then control of the rest really doesn't. In short, you're trying to define occupancy war success by simple external numerical measures. That's not going to reflect the reality in the warzone to any real degree.
I read some reddit forums when test was dominating the war zone. It was clear their leadership didn't get the memo that in order to win the occupancy war you have to take certain systems of gallente's choosing. They just looked at getting to a high tier and raking in lp. Because that is how the system was created by ccp. All the systems count toward the tier system equally.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1qqsyz/test_alliance_and_caldari_militia_take_the/
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1qpbn4/test_pushes_caldari_warzone_to_tier_3/
Nulli did pretty much the same thing when they were in the Amarr militia. Lots of people in Amarr milita thought they should take huola. But they really didn't care to. People can imagine that this or that system is very important to hold and it can make for good content. Certain minmatar used to have a thing for holding onto Arzad and it lead to some good things. I am not against doing this.
But it isn't in the actual mechanics so you shouldn't be surprised that large entities that look at the mechanics objectively simply ignore your pet projects. Thats why lots of amarr militia that are more interested in pvp than in sticking alts in empty frigates to dplex base on the outskirts of faction war. No need to bother with the rabbit plexing.
Bottom line: I look at the real objective stuff like the actual mechanics. Certain gallente want to redefine winning based on systems they have some sort of roleplay or emotional attachment to. Its all real good, but keep the real mechanics seperate from the imagined ones.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
934
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Posted - 2014.06.05 19:21:00 -
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Winning in FW is not and objective thing. Its an objective thing. |
Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1291
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Posted - 2014.06.05 19:22:00 -
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Veskrashen wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Veskrashen wrote: To cite a recent example, we were able to flip Kehjari after about a week of plexing followed by a three day orgy of death and destruction.
You're doing it wrong Vesk. You're not supposed to get non stop pvp in one system. You're supposed to get nonstop pvp in every single system. Otherwise FW is a big fail. Gotcha. So "occupancy warfare" means "must fight over every plex in every system or it's purely a PvE endeavor." Got it.
I never said that. But I will say it would be great if you did have fights over every plex in every system. Do you disagree? CCP would definitely need to nerf the lp payout in missions so plexers could stay in ships. But that would be a high class problem.
I think ccp should aim that on average every plex captured takes 2 -3 pvp fights. If that happened then people would be proud to have the most vp in their militia wouldn't they? People wouldn't be ashamed to claim they own the characters that get the most vp in a day.
Where do you draw the line of it being a failure? Do there have to be 3 plexes captured per fight in a plex? 20 plexes captured per fight in a plex? 100 plexes captured per fight in a plex?
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1291
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Posted - 2014.06.05 19:28:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote: That's interesting. (I think this is different from what you used to say but let's not digress)
No, let's digress. You have no idea what is going on in FW. Quote:So the systems on that list that are held by caldari are due to the gallente lossing at pvp right? Your not going to claim that those systems were taken by caldari in large part due to rabbit plexing. And if I go in those systems I won't find people warping out of plexes left and right? They are going to stay and fight right? First, "losing" not "lossing" Second, "you're" not "your" Third, "care about" not "nonstop pvp" Yeah, sorry there isn't nonstop pvp in 95% of the systems. My bad. I guess we'll just have to settle for having more pvp in more systems in the Gallente-Caldari FW theater than anywhere else in the game. Sucks to be Gallente (and Caldari) militia I guess.
Well you didn't answer a single question I asked you, but instead made fun of my spelling errors. If I knew nothing about the occupancy war I would think you would be able to answer the questions and not have to evade into irrelevant attacks.
I will add another question that you can evade.
What would be so wrong with nonstop pvp in 95% of the systems? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
263
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Posted - 2014.06.05 19:35:00 -
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Cearain wrote: I read some reddit forums when test was dominating the war zone. It was clear their leadership didn't get the memo that in order to win the occupancy war you have to take certain systems of gallente's choosing. They just looked at getting to a high tier and raking in lp. Because that is how the system was created by ccp. All the systems count toward the tier system equally. http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1qqsyz/test_alliance_and_caldari_militia_take_the/http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1qpbn4/test_pushes_caldari_warzone_to_tier_3/Nulli did pretty much the same thing when they were in the Amarr militia. Lots of people in Amarr milita thought they should take huola. But they really didn't care to. People can imagine that this or that system is very important to hold and it can make for good content. Certain minmatar used to have a thing for holding onto Arzad and it lead to some good things. I am not against doing this. TEST never did get it, you're right about that. And quite frankly their failure to take systems like Eha contributed to capping their Tier level and their eventual departure for the warzone.
The fact that failed nullbear alliances use FW as an ATM to rebuild their wallets has nothing to do with "winning" FW or "winning" the occupancy war.
TEST came, tried to conquer, failed. Our home systems still stood, in spite of everything they did.
Quote:But it isn't in the actual mechanics so you shouldn't be surprised that large entities that look at the mechanics objectively simply ignore your pet projects. Thats why lots of amarr militia that are more interested in pvp than in sticking alts in empty frigates to dplex base on the outskirts of faction war. No need to bother with the rabbit plexing.
Bottom line: I look at the real objective stuff like the actual mechanics. Certain gallente want to redefine winning based on systems they have some sort of roleplay or emotional attachment to. Its all real good, but keep the real mechanics seperate from the imagined ones. I really would love to know what in the "actual mechanics" defines winning. Because there's nothing there (aside from maybe flipping the entire warzone) that would constitute a win.
Hence, we're pretty much able to define it as we choose. Over here in real FW land, we choose to define it by who can flip defended home systems and control important terrain in the warzone. Over in Cerain land, it's apparently who can earn the most LP and shitpost on Reddit the best. |
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Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
285
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Posted - 2014.06.05 20:12:00 -
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Thanatos Marathon wrote:Cearain wrote:
4. Eha 5. Vlillirier 7. Nennmaila 8. Enaluri 9. Hallanen 19. Nisuwa 20. Notoras
So the systems on that list that are held by caldari are due to the gallente lossing at pvp right? Your not going to claim that those systems were taken by caldari in large part due to rabbit plexing. And if I go in those systems I won't find people warping out of plexes left and right? They are going to stay and fight right?
Start with those and let us know how long you have to wait to get a fight.
Add Heyd and Ladister to the list. I usually get a fight in a plex there in less than 3 minutes. QCATS is recruiting:-á https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3896299 |
Val Erian
Azure Horizon Federate Militia
18
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Posted - 2014.06.05 20:16:00 -
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.... Thought this might be a useful thread about current status of FW plex farmers after Kronos.....
but its turned into "What does Cearnain think about FW yet again" thread.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2262
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Posted - 2014.06.05 21:17:00 -
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Val Erian wrote:.... Thought this might be a useful thread about current status of FW plex farmers after Kronos..... but its turned into "What does Cearnain think about FW yet again" thread. We have to do something until the numbers are updated tomorrow morning.
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Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1291
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Posted - 2014.06.05 21:40:00 -
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Val Erian wrote:.... Thought this might be a useful thread about current status of FW plex farmers after Kronos..... but its turned into "What does Cearnain think about FW yet again" thread.
Haven't your fellow gallente pilots filled you in?
Farmers don't bust bunkers so they are irrelevant to faction war.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1291
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Posted - 2014.06.05 22:04:00 -
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Veskrashen wrote:Cearain wrote: I read some reddit forums when test was dominating the war zone. It was clear their leadership didn't get the memo that in order to win the occupancy war you have to take certain systems of gallente's choosing. They just looked at getting to a high tier and raking in lp. Because that is how the system was created by ccp. All the systems count toward the tier system equally. http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1qqsyz/test_alliance_and_caldari_militia_take_the/http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1qpbn4/test_pushes_caldari_warzone_to_tier_3/Nulli did pretty much the same thing when they were in the Amarr militia. Lots of people in Amarr milita thought they should take huola. But they really didn't care to. People can imagine that this or that system is very important to hold and it can make for good content. Certain minmatar used to have a thing for holding onto Arzad and it lead to some good things. I am not against doing this. TEST never did get it, you're right about that. And quite frankly their failure to take systems like Eha contributed to capping their Tier level and their eventual departure for the warzone. The fact that failed nullbear alliances use FW as an ATM to rebuild their wallets has nothing to do with "winning" FW or "winning" the occupancy war. TEST came, tried to conquer, failed. Our home systems still stood, in spite of everything they did. Quote:But it isn't in the actual mechanics so you shouldn't be surprised that large entities that look at the mechanics objectively simply ignore your pet projects. Thats why lots of amarr militia that are more interested in pvp than in sticking alts in empty frigates to dplex base on the outskirts of faction war. No need to bother with the rabbit plexing.
Bottom line: I look at the real objective stuff like the actual mechanics. Certain gallente want to redefine winning based on systems they have some sort of roleplay or emotional attachment to. Its all real good, but keep the real mechanics seperate from the imagined ones. I really would love to know what in the "actual mechanics" defines winning. Because there's nothing there (aside from maybe flipping the entire warzone) that would constitute a win. Hence, we're pretty much able to define it as we choose. Over here in real FW land, we choose to define it by who can flip defended home systems and control important terrain in the warzone. Over in Cerain land, it's apparently who can earn the most LP and shitpost on Reddit the best.
While test was hitting tier 4 they missed the fact that secretly gallente wins if they hold at least 5 systems. I don't remember if nulli ever took arzad either.
Here is the thing I agree its a game you can make up whatever goal you want. Pretend Eha/Nenn/arzad/huola is a fortress and that you must hold it at all costs. Thats fine by me. But there are also actual goals and incentives that are represented in the mechanics. Namely there is the tier system. That's all I am saying. Just because Test didn't believe your claims that the "topography" of a certain system make it more important than some other system, that does not mean they misunderstood anything about the actual game mechanics. They just didn't buy into your imagined goals.
What is interesting is that you are saying they somehow failed because they did not do the typical null sec thing of putting 2000 pilots in your home system. Instead they took over large areas of space and spread out while your militia turtled up. In effect you are accusing test of failing to be blobby enough.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2262
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Posted - 2014.06.05 22:06:00 -
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Veskrashen wrote:I really would love to know what in the "actual mechanics" defines winning. Because there's nothing there (aside from maybe flipping the entire warzone) that would constitute a win. Yeah I can't believe that I, as a winner of FW, am trying to explain anything to somebody who couldn't win.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2262
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Posted - 2014.06.05 22:12:00 -
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Cearain wrote:What is interesting is that you are saying they somehow failed because they did not do the typical null sec thing of putting 2000 pilots in your home system. Instead they took over large areas of space and spread out while your militia turtled up. In effect you are accusing test of failing to be blobby enough. No, they failed because their ASCII art is subpar. They were trying to pass off an angry turtle as a corporate dinosaur.
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Cromwell Savage
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
181
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Posted - 2014.06.05 22:57:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Val Erian wrote:.... Thought this might be a useful thread about current status of FW plex farmers after Kronos..... but its turned into "What does Cearnain think about FW yet again" thread. Haven't your fellow gallente pilots filled you in? Farmers don't bust bunkers so they are irrelevant to faction war.
And all that time that they run the contest % up as they farm isn't a factor?
Farmers made taking systems easier as the "core" FW corps didn't have to dedicate as much effort to actually grinding the contest % up...and just had to focus of the coordination of finalizing vulnerable status and then the effort to flip the ihub.
Farmers had a massive impact. I've nearly quit this game due to amount of effort it has taken to keep our home system free of these douche rockets. Best thing ever that o-plexing has been 'nerfed'....
PS - already regretting replying to a Cearain threadnought... |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1488
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Posted - 2014.06.06 00:19:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1291
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Posted - 2014.06.06 01:16:00 -
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Cromwell Savage wrote:Cearain wrote:Val Erian wrote:.... Thought this might be a useful thread about current status of FW plex farmers after Kronos..... but its turned into "What does Cearnain think about FW yet again" thread. Haven't your fellow gallente pilots filled you in? Farmers don't bust bunkers so they are irrelevant to faction war. And all that time that they run the contest % up as they farm isn't a factor? Farmers made taking systems easier as the "core" FW corps didn't have to dedicate as much effort to actually grinding the contest % up...and just had to focus on the coordination of finalizing vulnerable status and then the effort to flip the ihub. Farmers had a massive impact. I've nearly quit this game due to amount of effort it has taken to keep our home system free of these douche rockets. ...
I don't mean to upset you, but your on my side of this argument. I agree with what you wrote above.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
934
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Posted - 2014.06.06 03:01:00 -
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Saying that people who dont like evasion farmers are on 'your side' is a bit of a stretch. |
Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1291
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Posted - 2014.06.06 04:29:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Saying that people who dont like evasion farmers are on 'your side' is a bit of a stretch.
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That makes no sense. I have been arguing against hide and seek plexing for years. See my sig which links to the same arguments on the old boards. We still have the same problems which require the same solutions.
If you look in this thread however you will, in fact, see people arguing that evasion farming is not a big deal since they don't bust bunkers. Whether tis that argument or some other like "we don't want those systems anyway," you will see several people minimizing the impact of evasion farmers in this thread.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2263
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Posted - 2014.06.06 05:08:00 -
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Go win FW with an alt army of plexers, and then come talk to us. |
Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1291
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Posted - 2014.06.06 05:34:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Go win FW with an alt army of plexers, and then come talk to us.
Still trying to minimize the role that plex rabbits play in fw?
I'm not sure if you directed that comment at me or Cromwell Savage. I think Cromwell was in the Gallente militia when they won faction war thanks in large part to an army of alt plexers. So does his opinion count?
He agrees with me that evasion alts have "a massive impact" in the faction war occupancy. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
232
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Posted - 2014.06.06 08:51:00 -
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Veskrashen wrote:Cerain, since you're having a difficult time, allow me to clarify some things for you.
1. No farmer ever flipped a system.
2. No farmer ever put pressure on an occupied or defended system.
3. Number of systems held isn't a particularly good measure of who's "winning".
4. System upgrades have a far bigger impact on Tier than number of systems held.
5. Defended systems get flipped when PvPers put forth the effort to grind the system up and take it. Farmers play no role in this process.
6. Undefended systems are essentially ignored and only flipped when it's convenient to do so.
7. Non-station and non-agent systems are essentially irrelevant.
So, in other words, even though farmers are still the biggest VP/day in FW, their impact will continue to be negligible in the grand scheme of things. The stats that FlyingHotPocket posted, showing a massive decrease in VP/day across that particular militia, is the better gauge of how things are going in terms of difficulty of plexing.
Castnicke's right to a large degree. Folks who don't see FW as an LP ATM are here more for the fights than anything else. Invading systems is a good way to generate those fights. So is bashing infrastructure like POCOs and POSes. If some farmer wants to spend his or her time spinning buttons in the back end of nowhere, that has no impact on the warzone or our FW experience in and of itself.
1. Flipping the system is a very tiny portion of the manhours spent to capture a system. A wing of bombers flips the system pretty quick and usually nobody is going to spend 72 hours deplexing.
2. I spend much of my day defensive plexing my home system. Every. Single. Day. As long as I am online and at the keyboard, no wartarget captures a plex in my system. Yet there I am spending hours deplexing. If I don't, few others will, and the system slowly ticks up. That not pressure?
3. True, but the tier directly contributes to the number of plexes being captured. I see the whines all the time "we're tier 1 so why bother?". A higher tier means more pilot retention, warzone activity, etc.
4. Yes, but you need a certain number of systems before you can get tier 2. If you're stuck on 10 systems, you're stuck there for quite a long time.
5. My corp has flipped enemy home systems, and I can tell you from experience it's a LOT easier starting at 30% than it is zero. Farmers did that.
6. Correct.
7. Correct.
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Irya Boone
Never Surrender.
366
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Posted - 2014.06.06 09:28:00 -
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you are all syaing the same thing here
Plexers don't win FW they help you do it , by keeping some contestation , or begining contestation in a system. generally when plexer , alt farmer whatever put it to some lvl ; ITS EASIER to start Plexfighting for the system, to win occupancy you need PvP to take the plexes if there is defensers in the system, and you need pvpers to bash the Ihub.
Alt farmer just help to maintain/put some constestaton lvl OUTSIDE the Plexing ops of a militia.
you can't win ( occupancy with only alt farmers even if they can put the system vulnerable) , But you can do it with pvpers Only ( cause of the ihub bash )
Templar Dane made a pretty resum+¬ RENAME WH systems With the name of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It will be awesome.
GalMIl>>ALL |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
480
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Posted - 2014.06.06 09:51:00 -
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Point is, almost nobody PVPing in FW wants farmers that:
1) take ISK out of FW
2) influence contested % without actually giving a damn about it
1) may or may not be good for the game as a whole, that's CCP's call. But I live in FW space, so personally I'd prefer my allies and enemies alike to be richer, instead of null or highsec players farming with FW alts. More ISK for lowsec PVPers = more pew; either because people can field shinier stuff or because people need to spend less time grinding ISK, or both
2) is just silly
IF there was stagnation and IF it was bad, CCP can just give more VP/plex. Simple as that, farmers are in no way necessary to keep the warzone dynamic (again, IF that is a desirable outcome).
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Catalytic morphisis
Rock Huggers Inc The Pears of Anguish
13
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Posted - 2014.06.06 10:26:00 -
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Cromwell Savage wrote:Cearain wrote:Val Erian wrote:.... Thought this might be a useful thread about current status of FW plex farmers after Kronos..... but its turned into "What does Cearnain think about FW yet again" thread. Haven't your fellow gallente pilots filled you in? Farmers don't bust bunkers so they are irrelevant to faction war. And all that time that they run the contest % up as they farm isn't a factor? Farmers made taking systems easier as the "core" FW corps didn't have to dedicate as much effort to actually grinding the contest % up...and just had to focus on the coordination of finalizing vulnerable status and then the effort to flip the ihub. Farmers had a massive impact. I've nearly quit this game due to amount of effort it has taken to keep our home system free of these douche rockets. Best thing ever that o-plexing has been 'nerfed'.... PS - already regretting replying to a Cearain threadnought...
If you nearly quit because of that then you probably should have, EVE has a lot of different ways to make ISK and such, if you need people to orbit a button with WCS's to make it a playable game for you then you should go to something easier, I believe WoW has a pretty simple dungeon Mechanic |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.06.06 11:36:00 -
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Catalytic morphisis wrote:Cromwell Savage wrote:Cearain wrote:Val Erian wrote:.... Thought this might be a useful thread about current status of FW plex farmers after Kronos..... but its turned into "What does Cearnain think about FW yet again" thread. Haven't your fellow gallente pilots filled you in? Farmers don't bust bunkers so they are irrelevant to faction war. And all that time that they run the contest % up as they farm isn't a factor? Farmers made taking systems easier as the "core" FW corps didn't have to dedicate as much effort to actually grinding the contest % up...and just had to focus on the coordination of finalizing vulnerable status and then the effort to flip the ihub. Farmers had a massive impact. I've nearly quit this game due to amount of effort it has taken to keep our home system free of these douche rockets. Best thing ever that o-plexing has been 'nerfed'.... PS - already regretting replying to a Cearain threadnought... If you nearly quit because of that then you probably should have, EVE has a lot of different ways to make ISK and such, if you need people to orbit a button with WCS's to make it a playable game for you then you should go to something easier, I believe WoW has a pretty simple dungeon Mechanic
I would like to speak to croms point. I do not believe that he really cares about famers in back waters. In our home system we have been lucky for the most part in that there has been no serious threat from an organised offensive. This has granted us the luxury of maintaining a pair of stable systems.
Not to say that people dont try, with cloaks and stabs. They are a nuisance to catch and sometime take a lot of time which could be spent doing funner things.
It is demoralising to see a farrner complete a plex in our homesystem, or to log in to find it at 6%.
These farmers in particular i believe are what crom was referring to rather than the ones in back waters. Not to say farmers have no effect overall, i foresee X G's hyperbole on that point being milked by cearain for many posts to come.
No one likes evasion farming, Its just cearains observations and solutions are always flawed. |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2014.06.06 11:45:00 -
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Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Go win FW with an alt army of plexers, and then come talk to us. Still trying to minimize the role that plex rabbits play in fw? I'm not sure if you directed that comment at me or Cromwell Savage. I think Cromwell was in the Gallente militia when they won faction war thanks in large part to an army of alt plexers. So does his opinion count? He agrees with me that evasion alts have "a massive impact" in the faction war occupancy. I was directing it at you. You've stated that the side with the largest number of plexing alts wins FW. Which has already been proven false.
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