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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.06.05 10:30:00 -
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Fat Patrick wrote:Pretty simple Yes, it is pretty simply. If that many GÇÿ+':es show up, especially since there are no corresponding GÇÿ-GÇÖ signs showing up to cancel them out, calling it a nerf is just idiotic.
SP and training time is utterly irrelevant. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Fat Patrick
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.05 11:48:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Fat Patrick wrote:Pretty simple Yes, it is pretty simply. If that many GÇÿ+':es show up, especially since there are no corresponding GÇÿ-GÇÖ signs showing up to cancel them out, calling it a nerf is just idiotic. SP and training time is utterly irrelevant.
Training time is utterly relevant. But your misunderstanding is forgivable, you are not the only one who thinks like this.
and i must correct myself, it is in fact 20 days per racial spec, so 80 days total extra, 22% or a year, which is just less than 3 plex. If that is not a significant nerf to get to the same "skill level" regardless of whether the dps changes or not, then I don't think you will ever understand a time sink skill nerf. |
Fat Patrick
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.05 11:52:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:March rabbit wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:You guys do realize the enhanced tracking and bigger fall offs actually make up for any "nerf", right? not if your targets are 10 km away and moving slow enough to be inside of comfortable zone for your gardes.... So switch to Geckos or Heavies to deal with close targets. Or any other sized drone that may fit your needs. Not difficult to adapt if you're willing to do so. If you're not willing to adapt, then that's your problem, not CCPs or anyone elses.
adapting is fine, and shows a skilled player changing with the game. weapon systems are altered regularly, and sometimes you win, some you lose. It is a problem, however, if the change requires you to train considerably extra skills to get to the same "maxed" level, when there was no way to grandfather the SP required available before hand. Now imagine if this kind of skill change was brought forward for other weapons systems. |
Fat Patrick
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.05 11:55:00 -
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Peaches Dallacort wrote:What skills are required to get sentries to the same dps as before Kronos?
For example with sentry drone interfacing V, drone interfacing IV, and Gallente drone spec IV, will my sentries will now be doing less dps than pre kronos? What if i have rank V for racial and drone interfacing? Will the dps be same or less?
Tl:dr were sentries nerfed or just altered?
The most simple thing to look at is the training it requires to get to the same level on your sentries, if you were already maxed. Now you have to add 80 days SQ to max out the exact same sentry choices you had before.
That is a serious time sink nerf.
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Fat Patrick
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.05 12:06:00 -
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I'm actually really surprised nobody else is complaining about the time sink nerf element to this sentry balance. |
Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
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Posted - 2014.06.05 14:42:00 -
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Fat Patrick wrote:I'm actually really surprised nobody else is complaining about the time sink nerf element to this sentry balance.
I do not complaint because i do not care at all, but yeah i agree with you. I find this new time sink pointless and i think that ccp should just focus on server maintenance, small bug fixes... etc.
Thanks for this new patchexpansion and all that. |
Ayuren Aakiwa
Four Letter Incantation Dei-Telum
106
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Posted - 2014.06.05 14:53:00 -
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I would trade minimal amounts of damage for increased range, tracking and damage types any day. Y'all are crazy Street Rules ***** idgaf |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
883
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Posted - 2014.06.05 14:57:00 -
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Peaches Dallacort wrote:6.5% nerf to gardes with max skills. I thought they wanted to make drones better with less skillpoints, not make them worse with more skills needed...
Exactly two sentries lost DPS: the Garde II and the Bouncer II. Every other sentry, including the T1 versions of those two, gained DPS, and the Garde II and Bounce II gained better damage application, as well. "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
883
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Posted - 2014.06.05 15:02:00 -
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Fat Patrick wrote:I'm actually really surprised nobody else is complaining about the time sink nerf element to this sentry balance.
What's to complain about? That sentries didn't make use of the racial spec skills has always been an odd outlier in the mechanics. It is now consistent with the rest of the drone system.
As with my gun and missile specs, I don't feel any burning compulsion to train them beyond 4, and will intersperse the level 5s in wherever I don't have anything else more important to train. "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10300
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Posted - 2014.06.05 15:35:00 -
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Even without the spec skills trained all to 5 you're still seeing significant gains in other areas. And with Curators and Wardens you'll probably still see a DPS gain at spec 3 or 4.
I'm comfortable with not having that last 2% DPS. If you're so bothered by it that you have to spend 80 days training to get it then I don't think it's CCP that's the issue here. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
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Posted - 2014.06.05 15:51:00 -
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Fat Patrick wrote:I'm actually really surprised nobody else is complaining about the time sink nerf element to this sentry balance.
I really just don't think its that big a deal.
In all my time playing I've meet a grand total of two people with the racial Drone specs to 5. One is OCD about his training the other is entombed in a Titan and throws stuff in his skill queue just to keep it going, the longer the better. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Bronson Hughes
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Posted - 2014.06.05 16:31:00 -
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This is only a nerf if you continue playing exactly like you did before and ignore the fact that even though DPS on the two most popular sentry drones got decreased slightly, their damage application got boosted.
Personally, I like having 4 types of useful sentries more than 2 and I'm looking forward to using them. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
14000
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Posted - 2014.06.05 16:39:00 -
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Hmmm... Raw damage potential decreased a tad, application of remaining damage increased a lot... on the 2 most used.
The other 2 get damage and application increases now making them viable...
::balance::
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22360
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Posted - 2014.06.05 17:55:00 -
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Fat Patrick wrote:Training time is utterly relevant. No, it really isn't. Especially not to the uninformed drivel you were spouting. The simple fact is that it is a significant buff. Your not undestanding what plus and minus means just means that you, the player, needs to spend a bit of training time catching up on the subtle differences and how they translate into nerfs and buffs.
Quote:I'm actually really surprised nobody else is complaining about the time sink nerf element to this sentry balance. It's so vastly separated from surprising I'm surprised that anyone would be silly enough to use the word in that context. For one, it's not really a nerf and if you weren't drone specced to begin with, you had no business using sentries anyway. Moreover, the sentries themselves received significant damage application buffs that further justified the inherently justified prereq additions. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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