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Ashwind Houssa
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.04 15:35:00 -
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With the recent changes to NPC's in FW plexes, I am no longer able to realistically make any LP/ISK from offensive plexing, so I am looking for an alternative method of making ISK while still being in low/null and trying to still learn PvP.
Now, given that I will be losing ships left and right, how do I go about getting an income stream that doesn't involve doing mind numbing repetitive things?
Is there no other option but investing several hours in awful "play" to be able to actually try and engage with other players in combat?
Missions pay too little and are so repetitive and boring that I can't justify paying real money to play them. Any type of harvesting of resources can be left to bottters and multiboxers. I can't get into production without taking important training time away from my goals of PvP play.
So I really feel like my options are very limited and that is killing my fun factor.
If the only way to PvP in this game is to spend 10x that amount of time doing mindless prep work, let me know so I can not renew my sub. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
856
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Posted - 2014.06.04 15:39:00 -
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Ashwind Houssa wrote:With the recent changes to NPC's in FW plexes, I am no longer able to realistically make any LP/ISK from offensive plexing, so I am looking for an alternative method of making ISK while still being in low/null and trying to still learn PvP.
Now, given that I will be losing ships left and right, how do I go about getting an income stream that doesn't involve doing mind numbing repetitive things?
Is there no other option but investing several hours in awful "play" to be able to actually try and engage with other players in combat?
Missions pay too little and are so repetitive and boring that I can't justify paying real money to play them. Any type of harvesting of resources can be left to bottters and multiboxers. I can't get into production without taking important training time away from my goals of PvP play.
So I really feel like my options are very limited and that is killing my fun factor.
If the only way to PvP in this game is to spend 10x that amount of time doing mindless prep work, let me know so I can not renew my sub.
Er... so now that you're no longer able to get paid for nothing more than watching a timer tick down for ~20 minutes, you require a non-boring source of income? "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Ashwind Houssa
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.06.04 15:42:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Er... so now that you're no longer able to get paid for nothing more than watching a timer tick down for ~20 minutes, you require a non-boring source of income?
As a new player wanting to be involved in PvP I wasn't just watching the timer clock down.
As a new player, trying very hard to actually not be a high sec carebear, I greatly appreciate your snide response.
BTW check my kill board, and see how many stabbed fits I got popped in.
So any other typical eve-tards care to chime in? |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
1181
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Posted - 2014.06.04 15:43:00 -
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Wait, you didn't consider LP farming to be boring? If you thought that was fun, maybe try literally anything else (except mining or hauling). You won't be disappointed. www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
Psychotic Monk for CSM9 |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
1104
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Posted - 2014.06.04 15:47:00 -
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Ashwind Houssa wrote:With the recent changes to NPC's in FW plexes, I am no longer able to realistically make any LP/ISK from offensive plexing, so I am looking for an alternative method of making ISK while still being in low/null and trying to still learn PvP.
Now, given that I will be losing ships left and right, how do I go about getting an income stream that doesn't involve doing mind numbing repetitive things?
Is there no other option but investing several hours in awful "play" to be able to actually try and engage with other players in combat?
Missions pay too little and are so repetitive and boring that I can't justify paying real money to play them. Any type of harvesting of resources can be left to bottters and multiboxers. I can't get into production without taking important training time away from my goals of PvP play.
So I really feel like my options are very limited and that is killing my fun factor.
If the only way to PvP in this game is to spend 10x that amount of time doing mindless prep work, let me know so I can not renew my sub. If you can't find a way to play that is fun, then you're most likely playing the wrong game.
So I'd advise that you don't renew your sub and instead find a game that you find fun.
CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
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Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
1182
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Posted - 2014.06.04 15:52:00 -
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Ok, that was unhelpful, let me try again.
Look, PVE, mining and industry, they are all incredibly boring. Any form of farming for isk is going to suck, it's the unfortunate truth. If you really want to make isk and have fun at the same time, your only real option is to take that isk from other players who would probably rather you didn't. Scamming, suicide ganking, piracy, corporate theft, and if you are good enough, mercenary contracts too.. www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
Psychotic Monk for CSM9 |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
858
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Posted - 2014.06.04 15:53:00 -
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Ashwind Houssa wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Er... so now that you're no longer able to get paid for nothing more than watching a timer tick down for ~20 minutes, you require a non-boring source of income? As a new player wanting to be involved in PvP I wasn't just watching the timer clock down. As a new player, trying very hard to actually not be a high sec carebear, I greatly appreciate your snide response. BTW check my kill board, and see how many stabbed fits I got popped in. So any other typical eve-tards care to chime in?
Er... that doesn't make a lot of sense. Stabbed fits are pretty famous for their ability to avoid getting popped.
The point was that farming FW complexes was an extremely boring way to earn.
You could, as an aside, try flying cheaper. While navy ships aren't gratuitously expensive or anything, they are still a good deal more than T1 frigates. "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Ashwind Houssa
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.06.04 16:08:00 -
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So is plexing under any circumstances farming?
I don't understand the concept at work here. If I, as a new player, want to be in a position to engage in PvP and make enough ISK to do that at the same time, is there no option aside from piracy? That seems absurd to me.
And to be clear, sitting on plexes was boring as all get out when no one would show up. But at least I was in a PvP area, and making enough ISK to pay for keeping me there.
Oh well, at least some people were able to pad their killboards before I realized how much of a joke this "game" is.
Thanks for your replies all. |
Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
243
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Posted - 2014.06.04 16:20:00 -
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Can I haz your stuff? Just click on the contract button. "I considered a career in griefing, but then realized that I would never achieve the level of tear generation that CCP manages to do each and every expansion." |
Ashwind Houssa
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.06.04 16:25:00 -
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Nope, I'll biomass all my stuff.
No sense giving this community any hand outs. Not like you deserve it. |
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
463
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Posted - 2014.06.04 16:28:00 -
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OP, can you not still make pretty good ISK either defensive plexing or offensive plexing with a higher DPS ship?
I subsidized 1.3 Billion ship losses in my first month in FW (starting as a 1-month old player).
That was before Kronos, sure, but I was also actively PVP-ing, in high DPS ships. Why don't you try that? ISK+fun. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
858
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Posted - 2014.06.04 16:30:00 -
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Ashwind Houssa wrote:So is plexing under any circumstances farming?
I don't understand the concept at work here. If I, as a new player, want to be in a position to engage in PvP and make enough ISK to do that at the same time, is there no option aside from piracy? That seems absurd to me.
If you want automagic money, that's not going to happen. The fact that earning money isn't a laugh-riot is a large part of what gives PvP in Eve meaning: when you lose something, you've actually lost a resource that will require at least a modicum of effort to replace.
Quote:And to be clear, sitting on plexes was boring as all get out when no one would show up. But at least I was in a PvP area, and making enough ISK to pay for keeping me there.
There are pretty much limitless ways to make ISK. Hell, in low sec, just popping the occasional clone soldier in .2 or .1 will net you a quick 20-30m, and those guys are far from rare. Finding one of the new Mordus spawns would also net you a pretty penny, especially right now, while the price is still inflated by their newness.
You could also figure out how to adjust to the plex changes and then continue doing that and, as I mentioned before, flying cheaper ships that are more suited to your income level will also obviously help keep you in ISK. "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
243
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Posted - 2014.06.04 16:39:00 -
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So to give you a real tip (even though I would love all your stuff), here's what I would suggest:
Hi-Sec WarDec
Leave Faction War and start your own 1-man Corp. You actually have PvP experience, which is more than can be said for a lot of high-sec corps. You'll get some questionable PvP and can try to ransom the Hi-Sec Corps if they don't dock up. Basically, fly through hi-sec for a bit, look for industry and mining Corp to target and check their war histories. If they have a lot of lost non-PvP ships, they could be good targets. Alternately, if their wars began and ended in less than a week, they might be paying ransoms.
It's a lot more fun than hovering a button. "I considered a career in griefing, but then realized that I would never achieve the level of tear generation that CCP manages to do each and every expansion." |
Nitrah
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
54
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Posted - 2014.06.04 16:46:00 -
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You could do PI while you're running your other stuff. P1 extraction planets pay decently well considering the active time investment is minimal (15 minutes per day, an hour or so once a week moving goods around).
You could do exploration.
Nullsec relic sites pay between 20M and 100M each without hitting the BPC lottery. Nullsec data sites pay 10M to 30M or so.
Combat sites can pay out very well, but take a bit of time shooting red crosses, and the big payouts are sort of lottery based.
You could daytrip into C1 to C3 wormholes, depending on your skills. Combat anoms pay between 15M and 50M and take about 20 minutes plus salvage time.
All of them (IMO) are much more engaging than missions or mining. |
Ashwind Houssa
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.06.04 17:36:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:OP, can you not still make pretty good ISK either defensive plexing or offensive plexing with a higher DPS ship?
I subsidized 1.3 Billion ship losses in my first month in FW (starting as a 1-month old player).
That was before Kronos, sure, but I was also actively PVP-ing, in high DPS ships. Why don't you try that? ISK+fun.
I am a low skill player. My frigs do not present enough of a DPS threat to deal with the rats in even the novice plexes unless I fit only for DPS, which will make me go pop as soon as an actual player looks at me.
I could step up to bigger ships, but that just increases the problem, because anything I lose is now even more time to replace.
So I can't fly cruisers or BC's without getting eaten up, frigs and novice plexes are not even an income source. Maybe 10k LP/hr.
I was able to support my learning before the change. Now I cannot. |
Plato Forko
Of Questionable Lineage
66
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Posted - 2014.06.04 17:41:00 -
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I'm only chiming in because I used to do high-sec wardecs, nullbearing, wspace even, and now all I do for income is plex and pew. Do I get by? Yes. Am I space rich? No. The space rich guys in militia all devote many hours to PvE activities, some of which are inaccessible to a newer player and all of which are invariably boring for everyone.
I find PvE incredibly boring so I avoid it as much as possible, but the price I pay for that is having to fly T1 hulls 95% of the time because I can't afford to be replacing T2 hulls often. What I get from it, though, is the ability to find a fight and earn enough LP to pay for a fitted frigate even when I only have fifteen minutes to play.
Having said that, EvE is a microcosm of real life in the sense that you need patience if you want to reap the greatest rewards, and that applies to both PvE and PvP. I've wasted countless hours on "PvP" activities like roaming with a fleet just to realize that space is dead. On the flipside, I've gotten extremely lucky sometimes on the rare occasion I PvE and once scored 100m in Clone Soldier tags in only ten minutes running through the belts in my home system.
So just try to enjoy the little things while waiting on the big fun to come along. Get in comms with local militia pilots and you'll find that plexing becomes a lot more enjoyable when you have pilots nearby to depend on for intel and help when a hostile gang suddenly shows up at your gate. Take the game as it comes and you'll have fun, try and force it and you'll just build up a lot of frustration.
My terribad blog where I QQ and rage about Amarr FW |
Ashwind Houssa
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.06.04 17:41:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:
If you want automagic money, that's not going to happen. The fact that earning money isn't a laugh-riot is a large part of what gives PvP in Eve meaning: when you lose something, you've actually lost a resource that will require at least a modicum of effort to replace.
There are pretty much limitless ways to make ISK. Hell, in low sec, just popping the occasional clone soldier in .2 or .1 will net you a quick 20-30m, and those guys are far from rare. Finding one of the new Mordus spawns would also net you a pretty penny, especially right now, while the price is still inflated by their newness.
You could also figure out how to adjust to the plex changes and then continue doing that and, as I mentioned before, flying cheaper ships that are more suited to your income level will also obviously help keep you in ISK.
Try popping a clone soldier in frig with my skills. It doesn't happen unless I want to pull out something more expensive to risk it. Given my record of keeping ships alive, that is sheer folly.
Attacking a mordus ship would be suicide.
Again, with the changes, the lp/hr rate is so low running novice plexes that it isn't worth the time. If I have to supplement my attempts at learning PvP with tens of hours grinding PvE, it really isn't what I am after.
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Ashwind Houssa
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.06.04 17:44:00 -
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Nitrah wrote:You could do PI while you're running your other stuff. P1 extraction planets pay decently well considering the active time investment is minimal (15 minutes per day, an hour or so once a week moving goods around).
You could do exploration.
Nullsec relic sites pay between 20M and 100M each without hitting the BPC lottery. Nullsec data sites pay 10M to 30M or so.
Combat sites can pay out very well, but take a bit of time shooting red crosses, and the big payouts are sort of lottery based.
You could daytrip into C1 to C3 wormholes, depending on your skills. Combat anoms pay between 15M and 50M and take about 20 minutes plus salvage time.
All of them (IMO) are much more engaging than missions or mining.
Thank you for your reply. Although I am dubious about my ability to complete combat sites, I will give it a go. Hopefully there is some entertainment there.
My skills are not ready for wormholes I suspect, but since I lose ships anyway, not like trying is going to hurt. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
464
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Posted - 2014.06.04 17:44:00 -
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Ashwind Houssa wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:OP, can you not still make pretty good ISK either defensive plexing or offensive plexing with a higher DPS ship?
I subsidized 1.3 Billion ship losses in my first month in FW (starting as a 1-month old player).
That was before Kronos, sure, but I was also actively PVP-ing, in high DPS ships. Why don't you try that? ISK+fun. I am a low skill player. My frigs do not present enough of a DPS threat to deal with the rats in even the novice plexes unless I fit only for DPS, which will make me go pop as soon as an actual player looks at me. I could step up to bigger ships, but that just increases the problem, because anything I lose is now even more time to replace. So I can't fly cruisers or BC's without getting eaten up, frigs and novice plexes are not even an income source. Maybe 10k LP/hr. I was able to support my learning before the change. Now I cannot. I haven't tried the new rats yet, but I'd assume a blaster pvp frig can deal with the novice ones?
If yes, 10k LP/hr is basically a well-fit pvp frig/hr, which should be enough to have PVP fun as a newbro? |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
859
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Posted - 2014.06.04 17:55:00 -
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Ashwind Houssa wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:
If you want automagic money, that's not going to happen. The fact that earning money isn't a laugh-riot is a large part of what gives PvP in Eve meaning: when you lose something, you've actually lost a resource that will require at least a modicum of effort to replace.
There are pretty much limitless ways to make ISK. Hell, in low sec, just popping the occasional clone soldier in .2 or .1 will net you a quick 20-30m, and those guys are far from rare. Finding one of the new Mordus spawns would also net you a pretty penny, especially right now, while the price is still inflated by their newness.
You could also figure out how to adjust to the plex changes and then continue doing that and, as I mentioned before, flying cheaper ships that are more suited to your income level will also obviously help keep you in ISK.
Try popping a clone soldier in frig with my skills. It doesn't happen unless I want to pull out something more expensive to risk it. Given my record of keeping ships alive, that is sheer folly.
Get friends? And there's no reason something like a T1 cruiser has to represent a massive risk. If you pay attention to local and are diligent with your d-scan, it's still pretty easy to avoid most engagements in something cruiser sized. Your only real danger is going to come from gate camps - once you get one out into low, it shouldn't be too much of a risk. Stationless .1 systems are great places to pop clone soldiers - odds are you'll be the only person in the system.
Quote:Attacking a mordus ship would be suicide.
If you say so. I haven't bumped into one yet, but I'm not expecting them to be particularly more dangerous than any other low sec NPC, which is to say, "Not very".
Quote: Again, with the changes, the lp/hr rate is so low running novice plexes that it isn't worth the time. If I have to supplement my attempts at learning PvP with tens of hours grinding PvE, it really isn't what I am after.
You really don't need to, but you do need to stop making excuses for why you can't do anything. "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Ahost Gceo
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
137
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Posted - 2014.06.04 18:02:00 -
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Roaming lowsec in a nice frig.
For isk I run capital escalations in C5 space. Being the first carrier on field means you can't be bored, plus it doesn't take long with the right fleet and you have more money than you'll need for said roaming above. I'm a friggin' banana. |
Ashwind Houssa
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.06.04 18:07:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Get friends? And there's no reason something like a T1 cruiser has to represent a massive risk. If you pay attention to local and are diligent with your d-scan, it's still pretty easy to avoid most engagements in something cruiser sized. Your only real danger is going to come from gate camps - once you get one out into low, it shouldn't be too much of a risk. Stationless .1 systems are great places to pop clone soldiers - odds are you'll be the only person in the system.
All the low sec .2s and .1s are filled with pirates after the mordus ships. You go looking for a clone tag, and a T3 uncloaks and pops you. Tons o' fun.
SurrenderMonkey wrote: If you say so. I haven't bumped into one yet, but I'm not expecting them to be particularly more dangerous than any other low sec NPC, which is to say, "Not very".
Go and find one, I suggest you go and look in Oyeman, there have been several BPCs that have come out of that system. Planet X belt 2 seems to be pretty hot. Watch out for the aforementioned campers though.
SurrenderMonkey wrote: You really don't need to, but you do need to stop making excuses for why you can't do anything.
I don't think I am making excuses, but that is always the way I suppose. I just think I am struggling to find a reason to invest my time in a game that doesn't look to offer much other than lots of grinding and boredom.
I am also not saying that I can't do anything, but that the things I can do are about as fun as watching flies fornicate.
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Ashwind Houssa
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.06.04 18:09:00 -
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Ahost Gceo wrote:Roaming lowsec in a nice frig.
For isk I run capital escalations in C5 space. Being the first carrier on field means you can't be bored, plus it doesn't take long with the right fleet and you have more money than you'll need for said roaming above.
Sure I'll skill right into a carrier to make some ISK.
*looks at time needed to get into a carrier*
lol, no.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
861
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Posted - 2014.06.04 18:18:00 -
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Quote:I don't think I am making excuses
Really?
Quote:All the low sec .2s and .1s are filled with pirates after the mordus ships. You go looking for a clone tag, and a T3 uncloaks and pops you. Tons o' fun.
That's fascinating because I am currently sitting in a .1 right now and the only other person here is a 3 year old character with no killboard history. It is almost like you are making exaggerated claims about the risks of low sec in order to (ahem) excuse your inaction. "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
1184
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Posted - 2014.06.04 18:18:00 -
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I will restate my last post in clearer terms, since it seems to have gone ignored.
If none of the various forms of PVE farming appeals to you, why not try stealing, scamming, or piracy? These things are tons of fun, don't require much in the way of skills, and are generally as lucrative as only the highest levels of the PVE game.
Just saying because I remember the day when I wanted some isk, but couldn't bear to target another red cross or rock. I quit PVE cold turkey about two years ago and just eat what I kill, or steal. Best decision I ever made. www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
Psychotic Monk for CSM9 |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
861
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Posted - 2014.06.04 18:25:00 -
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Haedonism Bot wrote:I will restate my last post in clearer terms, since it seems to have gone ignored.
If none of the various forms of PVE farming appeals to you, why not try stealing, scamming, or piracy? These things are tons of fun, don't require much in the way of skills, and are generally as lucrative as only the highest levels of the PVE game.
Just saying because I remember the day when I wanted some isk, but couldn't bear to target another red cross or rock. I quit PVE cold turkey about two years ago and just eat what I kill, or steal. Best decision I ever made.
Yes, taking other people's **** is almost invariably satisfying AND lucrative. "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
375
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Posted - 2014.06.04 18:33:00 -
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Your problem is that you are playing by yourself. Eve mechanics aren't inherently fun (especially PVE). The enjoyable part comes from player interaction. Join a corporation, figure out how they operate and make money, and join them. Joining a corp doesn't preclude you from solo pvp, but it will open up a lot more options for money making, pewing, and enjoyment. www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com
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Ashwind Houssa
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.06.04 18:45:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:That's fascinating because I am currently sitting in a .1 right now and the only other person here is a 3 year old character with no killboard history. It is almost like you are making exaggerated claims about the risks of low sec in order to (ahem) excuse your inaction.
I didn't know all .1s are the same.
Maybe the one you were in and the ones I frequent have different populations and regulars.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
861
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Posted - 2014.06.04 18:48:00 -
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Ashwind Houssa wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:That's fascinating because I am currently sitting in a .1 right now and the only other person here is a 3 year old character with no killboard history. It is almost like you are making exaggerated claims about the risks of low sec in order to (ahem) excuse your inaction. I didn't know all .1s are the same. Maybe the one you were in and the ones I frequent have different populations and regulars.
Ding ding ding!
Now that you've had this stunning revelation, what steps could you potentially take to alter your situation to your benefit? "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Ashwind Houssa
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.06.04 18:59:00 -
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Haedonism Bot wrote:I will restate my last post in clearer terms, since it seems to have gone ignored.
If none of the various forms of PVE farming appeals to you, why not try stealing, scamming, or piracy? These things are tons of fun, don't require much in the way of skills, and are generally as lucrative as only the highest levels of the PVE game.
Just saying because I remember the day when I wanted some isk, but couldn't bear to target another red cross or rock. I quit PVE cold turkey about two years ago and just eat what I kill, or steal. Best decision I ever made.
It was ignored because piracy holds no appeal to me in a game.
I play games as an avenue of escape from the real world, not to just extend my real life into them. I thought that was why piracy was so rampant in Eve. People pretending they are criminals because they never had the stones to do it in real life.
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