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Strot Harn
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.06.05 05:12:00 -
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... in Roman numerals.
For instance, if you are looking at planets in your overview (or moons around planets) and sort by "name" to order them sequentially, what happens instead is the following:
system I system II system III system IV system IX system V system VI system VII system VIII system X system XI
where "system" is the name of the system you happen to be in. The correct order should be:
system I system II system III system IV system V system VI system VII system VIII system IX system X system XI
A minor thing, but fairly easy to fix. |
Lothros Andastar
The Minutemen The Bastion
86
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Posted - 2014.06.05 05:29:00 -
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That's because it's actually sorting alphabetically as the Name column should. |
Strot Harn
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2014.06.05 05:43:00 -
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Lothros Andastar wrote:That's because it's actually sorting alphabetically as the Name column should.
No kidding. However, the planets should be sorted by their number from the star rather than some bizarre alphabetical counting of Roman numerals. The purpose of ordinal numbers is to order things by number.
Either Eve should create another column to order the planets by their location from the sun (more problematic), or fix the way it "counts" the planets.
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2383
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Posted - 2014.06.05 05:58:00 -
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That is because alphabetically I comes before V and V before X.
Roman numerals are represented by letters in game and are not "numbers" -á --á |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5367
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Posted - 2014.06.05 06:17:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:That is because alphabetically I comes before V and V before X.
Roman numerals are represented by letters in game and are not "numbers"
You are right, and what you are right about is exactly what the OP is complaining about: EVE sorts ordinals represented as roman numerals as a string sorted lexicographically rather than treating string representations of roman numerals as the ordinal being represented.
The string "Prism X" contains two elements: the first is the system name "Prism", the second is the ordinal position of that planet in the system, with orbits numbered from innermost at 1, incrementing outwards to 10 represented in this case by X. Thus an overview sorting by name should actually be sorting planets (and moons) by two columns "system name" and "orbit number".
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Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
199
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Posted - 2014.06.05 07:10:00 -
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I find this irritating too, especially with customs offices For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it WILL be. |
Strot Harn
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2014.06.05 18:42:00 -
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A simpler fix would be to drop the Roman numerals all together and just go with:
System 1 System 2 System 3 etc.
Then the alphabetizing of the "Name" column works out correctly. |
RaVenC
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
2
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Posted - 2014.06.05 18:57:00 -
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Strot Harn wrote:A simpler fix would be to drop the Roman numerals all together and just go with:
System 1 System 2 System 3 etc.
Then the alphabetizing of the "Name" column works out correctly.
Nope, than this will happen: System 1 System 10 System 11 System 2 System 3 ... |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1108
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Posted - 2014.06.05 19:04:00 -
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RaVenC wrote:Strot Harn wrote:A simpler fix would be to drop the Roman numerals all together and just go with:
System 1 System 2 System 3 etc.
Then the alphabetizing of the "Name" column works out correctly. Nope, than this will happen: System 1 System 10 System 11 System 2 System 3 ...
But we can fix this!!!!!
System 00000001 System 00000002 System 00000003 System 00000010
It will TOTALLY work.
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D |
Iain Cariaba
In Over Our Heads
16
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Posted - 2014.06.05 19:16:00 -
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Removed due to it being almost identical to above post... If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong. |
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Strot Harn
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2014.06.05 21:20:00 -
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Clearly, something as basic and idiotic as this programming 101 problem has baffled the great minds at CCP.
No solution can be found. Give up now. |
Strot Harn
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:05:00 -
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Sometimes I think Eve has the smartest MMO community in the world and then I read the responses to this thread and think it has the dumbest.
What could possibly be the objection (apart from lazy programmers) for not fixing the incorrect ordering of the planets, moons, asteroid belts, customs offices in the overview?
Perhaps, I should add idiotic trolling as an objection. Otherwise, there is no legitimate reason why this error shouldn't be corrected. |
Nariya Kentaya
Phoenix funds
1368
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:04:00 -
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Strot Harn wrote:Sometimes I think Eve has the smartest MMO community in the world and then I read the responses to this thread and think it has the dumbest.
What could possibly be the objection (apart from lazy programmers) for not fixing the incorrect ordering of the planets, moons, asteroid belts, customs offices in the overview?
Perhaps, I should add idiotic trolling as an objection. Otherwise, there is no legitimate reason why this error shouldn't be corrected. Everyone knows the truly intelligent are never quite well based in their sanity. So either EVE is full of the biggest trolling 12 year olds, or it holds the likes of Tesla, Einstein, Plato, Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great, The Mittani, Tokugawa Ieyasu, or Confucius. |
Alundil
Rolled Out
568
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Posted - 2014.06.23 17:35:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:likes of Tesla, Einstein, Plato, Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great, The Mittani, Tokugawa Ieyasu, or Confucius. One of these things is not like the other
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RoAnnon
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
338
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Posted - 2014.06.23 18:12:00 -
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Alundil wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote:likes of Tesla, Einstein, Plato, Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great, The Mittani, Tokugawa Ieyasu, or Confucius. One of these things is not like the other
Why do people always have to single out Confucius?? Is a puzzlement!!
So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter. |
Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
74
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Posted - 2014.06.23 18:18:00 -
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Supported
Seriously, how hard can it be to create a separate hard-coded listing order for the celestials based on the roman numerals from I to XX? |
Alberik
Eusebius Corporation
39
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Posted - 2014.06.23 18:35:00 -
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Imagine you discover a new solar system.
You name the planets
Nesosy I Nesosy II Nesosy III Nesosy IV Nesosy V
After settlers arrive on Nesosy IV they rename it to "Home" now its:
Nesosy I Nesosy II Nesosy III Home Nesosy V
Stupid idea to sort planets by name on the other hand its already a stupid idea to show navigation targets and weapon targets in the same column the problem is placed much deeper in design |
Syd Unknown
4
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Posted - 2014.06.24 19:51:00 -
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YES it would be a good idea to have the moons sorted in a right way when trying to sort it. :) |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
680
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Posted - 2014.06.24 19:58:00 -
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op must have ocd, this never really bothered me. 10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict |
Inshallah Eichman
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2014.06.25 05:30:00 -
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Most modern computer systems solved this problem with Indian numerals. I think doing it for Roman numerals would be the same.
ie 2 comes after 134 in the old strict ordering of many systems. |
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Inshallah Eichman
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2014.06.25 05:32:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Strot Harn wrote:Sometimes I think Eve has the smartest MMO community in the world and then I read the responses to this thread and think it has the dumbest.
What could possibly be the objection (apart from lazy programmers) for not fixing the incorrect ordering of the planets, moons, asteroid belts, customs offices in the overview?
Perhaps, I should add idiotic trolling as an objection. Otherwise, there is no legitimate reason why this error shouldn't be corrected. Everyone knows the truly intelligent are never quite well based in their sanity. So either EVE is full of the biggest trolling 12 year olds, or it holds the likes of Tesla, Einstein, Plato, Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great, The Mittani, Tokugawa Ieyasu, or Confucius.
-5 points for this terrible grouping of people.
Stop adding useless comments. Support the OPs position or don't, don't name random characters you heard about on the Internet.
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Auduin Samson
Do not disturb Sanctuary Pact
252
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Posted - 2014.06.25 13:21:00 -
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I'll be completely honest, in the two and a half years I've been playing, I never noticed this.
And now I'll never unsee it.
God. Damn. It. You just lost your ship The tears will fuel my spaceship Go quit Eve again
-Bane Nucleus-á |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2249
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Posted - 2014.06.25 13:28:00 -
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Strot Harn wrote:Sometimes I think Eve has the smartest MMO community in the world and then I read the responses to this thread and think it has the dumbest.
What could possibly be the objection (apart from lazy programmers) for not fixing the incorrect ordering of the planets, moons, asteroid belts, customs offices in the overview?
Perhaps, I should add idiotic trolling as an objection. Otherwise, there is no legitimate reason why this error shouldn't be corrected. think of it in terms of weapon scaling, tiny little trivial things get under the guns and cant be tracked. hens the "little things" initiative which could be considered to be ccp lunching drones . definitely a contender for that list +1 "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5394
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Posted - 2014.06.27 00:19:00 -
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Alberik wrote:Imagine you discover a new solar system.
You name the planets
Nesosy I Nesosy II Nesosy III Nesosy IV Nesosy V
After settlers arrive on Nesosy IV they rename it to "Home" now its:
Nesosy I Nesosy II Nesosy III Home Nesosy V
Stupid idea to sort planets by name on the other hand its already a stupid idea to show navigation targets and weapon targets in the same column the problem is placed much deeper in design
In EVE nomenclature that planet would be named "Nesosy IV (Home)". Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5394
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Posted - 2014.06.27 00:22:00 -
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Jade Blackwind wrote:Supported
Seriously, how hard can it be to create a separate hard-coded listing order for the celestials based on the roman numerals from I to XX?
You really don't want to do it that way.
A better option is to have the overview sorting by the hidden details (i.e.: planetary orbit then moon orbit then alphabetical by object name), then displaying using the object name.
Adding "hard coded" lists means there is more data to download (and maintain), which will lead to bizarre errors in the future.
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Elmnt80
Life. Universe. Everything. Clockwork Pineapple
57
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Posted - 2014.06.27 04:19:00 -
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Sort your overview by distance like a normal human being. Problem solved. |
Strot Harn
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2014.06.29 22:03:00 -
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Alberik wrote:Imagine you discover a new solar system.
You name the planets
Nesosy I Nesosy II Nesosy III Nesosy IV Nesosy V
After settlers arrive on Nesosy IV they rename it to "Home" now its:
Nesosy I Nesosy II Nesosy III Home Nesosy V
Stupid idea to sort planets by name on the other hand its already a stupid idea to show navigation targets and weapon targets in the same column the problem is placed much deeper in design
Yes, but ... you can't name the planets yourself in Eve, so that's a non-issue.
The second part of your comment however is gold. So, "Liked".
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Julius Rigel
174
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Posted - 2014.06.30 05:37:00 -
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Strot Harn wrote:Clearly, something as basic and idiotic as this programming 101 problem has baffled the great minds at CCP. Do you feel like enlightening us mere mortals as to the simplicity and ease with which you have solved this problem? Perhaps some pseudocode, or a diagram? Do you have an idea for a solution, or did you just feel like complaining?
It's a legitimate usability issue, it's very minor, it's not making the game unplayable, it should be fixed. I think you have a good idea here, you just forgot to type it out. Do YOU like to undock? |
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