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Adobe Raide
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.05 09:31:00 -
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I'm not sure what all the high and mighty disdain for FW "farmers" is about. Farmers contributed as much if not more LP to the taking and leveling up of systems as any pure pvp'er. Probably much more because there's few things more selfish than a 'pure' pvp'ing neut/pirate. Even if they'd wanted to be generous their contributions would have been negligible compared to the contributions of those despised "farmers" since LP gained by ganking is negligible.
And what are the pvp'ers who aren't even on an FW side doing but farming PVP newbs? Farming kills. Farming a feeling of superiority by invading a situation they aren't even part of. The hypocrisy is stunning. At least LP farmers weren't ruining people's days by ganking newer players .
The new dynamic favors veteran pvp'ers, non FW players: pirates and gankers. I have no idea why CCP thinks that's a good idea. With cloaking gone the only defense now is in fleeting up. 1/8th of squat is.... not really an incentive to join up. How are sides that are down going to level up? How are they going to hold the systems they capture? In the battle between Caldari (t1) and Gallente (t1 also) the middle 3 tiers were unbreakable because veteran pirates/gankers harassed both sides. FW players were pushed to the edges of the FW game. This is good?
What really gets me is that if the veteran pvp'ers/neuts actually wanted a good fight they'd take on people of their own experience and level. That's not the sort of person you'll find defending a plex. All these guys looking down on "farmers" are the nutless pvp'ers who are too chicken to face off against their own in deep null or WH space. They try to cover their cowardice with false swagger and insults to farmers. Last time a dweeb did that to me in the game I swapped ships for an offensive build and spent two days trying to track that little rat turd down - he never would face me in a non farming ship. If veteran pirates actually wanted a good fight they'd go fight pirates. It appears to be the last thing they want.
I like a good fight, facing off against someone of roughly my skill level - and I almost never get that in FW plexes. I usually get guys with 50M more skill points and years in pvp who have NOTHING to do with FW, and if there's even a chance I can beat them they'll usually bring a friend or two to back them up. When I could earn some money it was usually worth it (and there were many nights where I lost money). Now the rats are even harder (and they don't attack neuts/pirates because....?), cloaks are nerfed, even in missions.
It's like CCP wrapped a turd in a bow, handed it to me and all the newer FW players (aka "farmers") and said "FU".
Fine, we'll find something else to do in the game or another game to occupy our time. We won't be plexing much. I guess the pirates/neuts can jump into the plexes and face off against each other for no LP because, you know, they're bold and they're just looking for a good fight... they're not afraid of an equal match at all. |
Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
434
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Posted - 2014.06.05 09:42:00 -
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Well aren't you bitter.
If people won't fight you in combat ships but only in obvious farming ships and fits, I have a solution...
Fly combat ships all the time, then there's more PVP and all these "Cowards" will have to fight you on equal footing. |
Mr Duffo
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
48
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Posted - 2014.06.05 09:55:00 -
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farmer...
it can speak! |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1126
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Posted - 2014.06.05 09:56:00 -
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Cry me a river. I suggest that you look up the definition of 'novice' - these sites are still fine for a week old novice to complete. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
24
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Posted - 2014.06.05 10:36:00 -
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speak for your self dude, most of the newbie who joined FW actually wants to blow things up than farming plex ONLY.
don't get me wrong, i run-down plex solo most of the time but never would i fit stabs. Just Add Water |
Deerin
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
244
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Posted - 2014.06.05 10:47:00 -
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Delicious!!!1! More Please!!! |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
2176
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Posted - 2014.06.05 10:56:00 -
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Well as someone who enjoys fighting FW guys but isn't in FW i think i have a decent reason to disdain a bunch of people running around with dual stabs. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Circle-Of-Two
1192
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Posted - 2014.06.05 11:04:00 -
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I never saw a farmer upgrade an iHub.
But I saw plenty complain that the tiers had dropped lower. Docked since 2009. |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
188
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Posted - 2014.06.05 12:20:00 -
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TL;DR EVE is DyingGäó. |
Val Erian
Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2014.06.05 13:25:00 -
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except farmers are not gone. just adjusted tactics and tweaked their bot programs.
ie. one guy who runs 6 or so bots has them hanging at edge of cature range then moves off to cloak if something appears on dscan. And since the npc's do not reliably spawn, I was in plex that had one npc for 20 minutes.... the cloaking still works to some extent. Just makes it more difficult for player trying to catch the bot farmers tbh.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
471
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Posted - 2014.06.05 13:44:00 -
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Adobe Raide wrote:I can confirm that Kronos FW changes are working as intended. Thanks for sharing!
On a serious note, i expect ISK/LP to go up for all factions because of the decreased ease of farming.
So if you really do enjoy FW and PVP, fit some more guns and damage mods and hang in there! You'll get the PVP and the ISK to fund it. |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Drunk 'n' Disorderly
353
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Posted - 2014.06.05 14:07:00 -
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thanks for the tears i needed something to bathe in GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
munitqua
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.06.05 14:55:00 -
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Great!
Im signing up for FW again tonight! |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1736
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Posted - 2014.06.05 17:38:00 -
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Eat **** and die. (In game) |
Liuni Kalthis
Scope Works
44
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Posted - 2014.06.05 18:24:00 -
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Meh screw the talk about the farmers, more upset that with these changes its either buy a pirate frigate for FW soloing or stay the hell home. |
Ari Laveran
Aideron Robotics
78
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Posted - 2014.06.06 21:27:00 -
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Liuni Kalthis wrote:Meh screw the talk about the farmers, more upset that with these changes its either buy a pirate frigate for FW soloing or stay the hell home.
I'm not sure what your talking about here, There are a few more succubus and worm pilots around sure. Why wouldn't there be after they received a sorely needed buff. Still plenty of fights to be had, if you can't take them with what your flying blue ball them into boredom. Just like most people currently do with sentinels. New changes working as intended all around it seems. |
Cooper Gribbles
Gespenster Kompanie Circle-Of-Two
2
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Posted - 2014.06.06 21:39:00 -
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Step in the right direction! Now if they could get rid of stabs going in to PLEXs, I'd rejoin Facwar. CEO Gespenster Kompanie A good leader's men fight with him, while the leader fights for his men |
Shelom Severasse
Elite Kombat Academy
10
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Posted - 2014.06.06 21:41:00 -
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Adobe Raide wrote:I'm not sure what all the high and mighty disdain for FW "farmers" is about. Farmers contributed as much if not more LP to the taking and leveling up of systems as any pure pvp'er. Probably much more because there's few things more selfish than a 'pure' pvp'ing neut/pirate. Even if they'd wanted to be generous their contributions would have been negligible compared to the contributions of those despised "farmers" since LP gained by ganking is negligible.
And what are the pvp'ers who aren't even on an FW side doing but farming PVP newbs? Farming kills. Farming a feeling of superiority by invading a situation they aren't even part of. The hypocrisy is stunning. At least LP farmers weren't ruining people's days by ganking newer players .
The new dynamic favors veteran pvp'ers, non FW players: pirates and gankers. I have no idea why CCP thinks that's a good idea. With cloaking gone the only defense now is in fleeting up. 1/8th of squat is.... not really an incentive to join up. How are sides that are down going to level up? How are they going to hold the systems they capture? In the battle between Caldari (t1) and Gallente (t1 also) for the past couple months the middle 3 tiers were unbreakable because veteran pirates/gankers harassed both sides. FW players were pushed to the edges of the FW game. This is good?
What really gets me is that if the veteran pvp'ers/neuts actually wanted a good fight they'd take on people of their own experience and level. That's not the sort of person you'll find defending a plex. All these guys looking down on "farmers" are the nutless pvp'ers who are too chicken to face off against their own in deep null or WH space. They try to cover their cowardice with false swagger and insults to farmers. Last time a dweeb did that to me in the game I swapped ships for an offensive build and spent two days trying to track that little rat turd down - he never would face me in a non farming ship. If veteran pirates actually wanted a good fight they'd go fight pirates. It appears to be the last thing they want.
I like a good fight, facing off against someone of roughly my skill level - and I almost never get that in FW plexes. I usually get guys with 50M more skill points and years in pvp who have NOTHING to do with FW, and if there's even a chance I can beat them they'll usually bring a friend or two to back them up. When I could earn some money it was usually worth it (and there were many nights where I lost money). Now the rats are even harder (and they don't attack neuts/pirates because....?), cloaks are nerfed, even in missions.
It's like CCP wrapped a turd in a bow, handed it to me and all the newer FW players (aka "farmers") and said "FU".
Fine, we'll find something else to do in the game or another game to occupy our time. We won't be plexing much. I guess the pirates/neuts can jump into the plexes and face off against each other for no LP because, you know, they're bold and they're just looking for a good fight... they're not afraid of an equal match at all. spoken like a true farmer with no idea about the metagame. gtfo. |
Bret Crendraven
Moira. Villore Accords
6
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Posted - 2014.06.06 21:56:00 -
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I'm a new guy and love the thrill of Solo plexing and keeping your wits about you incase you get jumped. It's a good experience in multiple things such as D-Scan and keeping your eyes on whose in the system.
Just for instance:
I fly an Incursus 99% of the time (because I'm that nooby) and just because I can, I go into novices so if someone was to jump me, It'd also be in a frigate and I'd have a fairly fair fight on my hands. Granted, I get destroyed most of the time because I'm new and can't PVP to save my life yet but the rule of thumb is:
Dying is trying. If you don't die, you don't learn. |
Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
496
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Posted - 2014.06.06 22:03:00 -
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THIS.......MADE ME RESUB Proud Member of 'The HotPocket' Crew. What It's Like in Militia Chat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzYm3ig7tak |
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
197
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Posted - 2014.06.06 23:47:00 -
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Val Erian wrote:except farmers are not gone. just adjusted tactics and tweaked their bot programs.
ie. one guy who runs 6 or so bots has them hanging at edge of cature range then moves off to cloak if something appears on dscan. And since the npc's do not reliably spawn, I was in plex that had one npc for 20 minutes.... the cloaking still works to some extent. Just makes it more difficult for player trying to catch the bot farmers tbh.
If only CCP made the cloak range restriction 100 km we'll see the extinction of bot farmers. |
Isabela Valentine
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
39
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Posted - 2014.06.07 00:00:00 -
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This sounds like the same high pitched whining you hear from HS bears that don't like ppl shooting at them. Only difference is the location. Seriously dude, grow a pair, get some FW friends, and fight back. |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
579
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Posted - 2014.06.07 01:58:00 -
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Wow farmers sure are lazy as hell. I read your post, and all I see is you complaining about having to actually look at your farming alts screen for 5 seconds. You can still use warp core stabs, you can still just check short d-scan and warp out before someone comes to tackle you, they only nerfed a tiny aspect of farming. Use a 4x stabbed Incursus/Punisher and you can even let yourself get double scrammed and still get out (which I still encounter despite the changes to cloaking).
As for all your 'equal-match' 'ganking' '50mil sp' crap, that's complete and utter BS. Flying a T1 frig damn near as well as a player with 100mil skill points takes only a month or so and you can actually win fights easily. I have 70mil skill points and still occasionally lose to much newer players in T1 vs T1 battles, all it takes is some practice and dedication with a certain ship/fit.
This whining is worse than miners getting ganked, at least they are engaging in a PvE activity, Faction Warfare is by definition a war, if you don't want to fight and just farm even then there are plenty of options like stabs and warping out. Farmers seriously need to HTFU. |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
405
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Posted - 2014.06.07 02:49:00 -
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farmers contribute no lp towards flipping a system. they contribute VP
learn fw. learn to play eve
rage more please |
Julius Foederatus
Spiritus Draconis Drunk 'n' Disorderly
226
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Posted - 2014.06.07 03:33:00 -
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This thread gets my **** hard. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
934
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Posted - 2014.06.07 03:43:00 -
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anything that gets juls **** hard is fine by me. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2663
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Posted - 2014.06.07 05:09:00 -
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you can still farm FW missions aka pve with 0 player interaction. Plexing is a sov mechanic which should be a conflict driver otherwise its completely pointless. If you evade conflict you should not be able to influence sov, its really simple. So if you say you can't plex since people who defending their space are hunting you down its exactly how a sov system should work.
i bet 90% of all farmers don't even realize that they influence(d) where people can dock, all what they saw was that evil people where killing their 500k isk stabbed, cloaky frigs for apparently no reasons at all (they probably think they are griefers who don't want to see someone making isk or something).
Not to mention that there are enough undefended systems around. So if you as farmer are so lazy to not look at the map, its really your fault. eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
1485
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Posted - 2014.06.07 06:53:00 -
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He is right though. Pirates are pussies most of the time. J's before K's. ::brofist:: http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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JaneBudden
Spiritus Draconis Drunk 'n' Disorderly
21
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Posted - 2014.06.07 07:55:00 -
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Btw just did some testing: just a normal t1 frig (didnt use a high dps one to compensate with my good skills no boost no implants also ;)) and i still can do novice and small plexes without eny problems, soo you ***ing farmers drop the cloak ,drop the stab and you can do the same then before |
Catalytic morphisis
Rock Huggers Inc The Pears of Anguish
13
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Posted - 2014.06.07 10:31:00 -
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ultimate bitterness, Also pointed at such a finite number of PvP players, Most don't care about age and/or ship type they just want kills, And are willing to take a loss every now and then to get them |
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