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Fragglewump
Dust514.
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Posted - 2014.06.06 07:20:00 -
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I don't have and issue with ganking itself, but I feel that there is not enough of a punishment for it, they get a sec stat hit use tags to get it back, they get kill rights they use and alt to get rid of it or some one sets the kill rights to high for some one to want to activate it, even freighters with reinforced bulkheads only rakes 4 bc's and 18 destroyers to gank it. I my self think that is not what eve is about, my feeling with eve is there should be a counter for every thing in the game and giving 3 low slots is not a good enough counter. and even the police in they game is running on a skeleton crew, as more crimes happen in a system the police should ramp up and and as the system cools down the police protection should lower and if there are criminals in the area the system should become more protected making them use more tags. |
Shivanthar
Ace's and Eight's Brothers of Tangra
95
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Posted - 2014.06.06 07:23:00 -
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Wear your bullet proof armor and get ready for devastating crossfire, ASAP. Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. |
Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2014.06.06 07:27:00 -
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Fragglewump wrote:... they get kill rights they use and alt to get rid of it or some one sets the kill rights to high for some one to want to activate it... I may have misunderstood what you say, but I believe you can set your kill right on someone to be taken advantage only by your corp members and/or to give a ISK value to it so that you could recover the value of what you have lost if someone else used it..
"surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/2014/05/ok-now-im-betting-man.html |
Fragglewump
Dust514.
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Posted - 2014.06.06 07:34:00 -
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Saisin wrote:Fragglewump wrote:... they get kill rights they use and alt to get rid of it or some one sets the kill rights to high for some one to want to activate it... I may have misunderstood what you say, but I believe you can set your kill right on someone to be taken advantage only by your corp members and/or to give a ISK value to it so that you could recover the value of what you have lost if someone else used it.. you can but most gankers dont fly things worth more then 16 mill any ways. a guy in my mains corp has 3 toons on hes accounts just for ganking. and that's how he makes hes isk pulls in about 4 bill a week and he laughs about how easy and no real risk . and when hes free to shot in high sec he just buys tags and hes doing it all again. |
jimmy recard
Mithril.
0
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Posted - 2014.06.06 08:02:00 -
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just look at burn jita that is just ridiculous how that can happen for so long in one system and a 1.0 one at that
http://www.isjitaburning.com/metrics.php |
Dave Stark
6208
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Posted - 2014.06.06 08:08:00 -
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Fragglewump wrote:my feeling with eve is there should be a counter for every thing in the game and giving 3 low slots is not a good enough counter.
there is a counter for everything.
the difference is; one man should not counter 20+. Even the often complained about ECM can't work miracles like that. |
Egravant Alduin
republic fleet battle support
153
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Posted - 2014.06.06 08:09:00 -
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Learn to d scan and fly ships that don t worth ganking.Also you can use a mobile structure and when you see something suspecious in d scan you change your fit and have 300k ehp.Don t know about freighters though.I agree that they are fragile targets but still they need a lot of ships to take them down so don t carry plexes in them. Feel the wrath of the GECKO! |
Mag's
the united
17347
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Posted - 2014.06.06 08:17:00 -
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Fragglewump wrote:.....my feeling with eve is there should be a counter for every thing in the game and giving 3 low slots is not a good enough counter....... I knew it would happen, but I'm amazed it's so soon.
Edit: Oh and there are counters, you are just failing to use them.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11820
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Posted - 2014.06.06 09:16:00 -
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Its always fun to see people with no idea about ganking flapping about on the forums blaiming everything but themselves and demanding nerfs to the single most punished activity in EVE. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
544
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Posted - 2014.06.06 09:20:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Its always fun to see people with no idea about ganking flapping about on the forums blaiming everything but themselves and demanding nerfs to the single most punished activity in EVE.
For a second I thought you wanted to tell us that ganking, an illegal activity, should be less punished and more rewarding. |
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11820
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Posted - 2014.06.06 09:27:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its always fun to see people with no idea about ganking flapping about on the forums blaiming everything but themselves and demanding nerfs to the single most punished activity in EVE. For a second I thought you wanted to tell us that ganking, an illegal activity, should be less punished and more rewarding.
It would be nice to go a year without yet another nerf to protect people from themselves. Reward wise, we are at the mercy of peoples stupidity and lazyness. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
544
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Posted - 2014.06.06 09:33:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its always fun to see people with no idea about ganking flapping about on the forums blaiming everything but themselves and demanding nerfs to the single most punished activity in EVE. For a second I thought you wanted to tell us that ganking, an illegal activity, should be less punished and more rewarding. It would be nice to go a year without yet another nerf to protect people from themselves. Reward wise, we are at the mercy of peoples stupidity and lazyness.
Why do you bother with these people? They are in High sec, an area of space where they don't affect you in any way, shape or form (or should not if you'd take your sov serious) and where you shouldn't be anyways as you have Sov (your home and area where you are supposed to live and shape and create your content).
As for the "stupidity and lazyness[sic]"; considering your alliance's, your coalitions and other 00 sec dwellers war histories with certain entities, there's endless amounts of these two attributes floating around in space anyways. So, calling that being "at the mercy" is not exactly warranted. |
Dave Stark
6209
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Posted - 2014.06.06 09:38:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:baltec1 wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its always fun to see people with no idea about ganking flapping about on the forums blaiming everything but themselves and demanding nerfs to the single most punished activity in EVE. For a second I thought you wanted to tell us that ganking, an illegal activity, should be less punished and more rewarding. It would be nice to go a year without yet another nerf to protect people from themselves. Reward wise, we are at the mercy of peoples stupidity and lazyness. Why do you bother with these people? They are in High sec, an area of space where they don't affect you in any way, shape or form (or should not if you'd take your sov serious) and where you shouldn't be anyways as you have Sov (your home and area where you are supposed to live and shape and create your content). As for the "stupidity and lazyness[sic]"; considering your alliance's, your coalitions and other 00 sec dwellers war histories with certain entities, there's endless amounts of these two attributes floating around in space anyways. So, calling that being "at the mercy" is not exactly warranted.
"you don't live there" is a terrible counterargument. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11821
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Posted - 2014.06.06 09:40:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:baltec1 wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its always fun to see people with no idea about ganking flapping about on the forums blaiming everything but themselves and demanding nerfs to the single most punished activity in EVE. For a second I thought you wanted to tell us that ganking, an illegal activity, should be less punished and more rewarding. It would be nice to go a year without yet another nerf to protect people from themselves. Reward wise, we are at the mercy of peoples stupidity and lazyness. Why do you bother with these people? They are in High sec, an area of space where they don't affect you in any way, shape or form (or should not if you'd take your sov serious) and where you shouldn't be anyways as you have Sov (your home and area where you are supposed to live and shape and create your content). As for the "stupidity and lazyness[sic]"; considering your alliance's, your coalitions and other 00 sec dwellers war histories with certain entities, there's endless amounts of these two attributes floating around in space anyways. So, calling that being "at the mercy" is not exactly warranted.
Where else can we find afk, undertanked cargo boats with billions in their holds?
Also what else would you call people who stuff a billion isk into an untanked, cargo expanded T1 hauler that is flying through 0.5 space while AFK? We need dumb people to make ganking worth doing. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11821
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Posted - 2014.06.06 09:41:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:baltec1 wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its always fun to see people with no idea about ganking flapping about on the forums blaiming everything but themselves and demanding nerfs to the single most punished activity in EVE. For a second I thought you wanted to tell us that ganking, an illegal activity, should be less punished and more rewarding. It would be nice to go a year without yet another nerf to protect people from themselves. Reward wise, we are at the mercy of peoples stupidity and lazyness. Why do you bother with these people? They are in High sec, an area of space where they don't affect you in any way, shape or form (or should not if you'd take your sov serious) and where you shouldn't be anyways as you have Sov (your home and area where you are supposed to live and shape and create your content). As for the "stupidity and lazyness[sic]"; considering your alliance's, your coalitions and other 00 sec dwellers war histories with certain entities, there's endless amounts of these two attributes floating around in space anyways. So, calling that being "at the mercy" is not exactly warranted. "you don't live there" is a terrible counterargument.
More so when we infact do live there. All of EVE is our playground. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
401
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Posted - 2014.06.06 09:43:00 -
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It ONLY takes 25 people to gank a freighter now.
Man can you imagine? It only takes 500 mil of fittings and ships or so.
Oh it also takes 6 hours and half of cumulative GCC timers all the time they have to wait x25 and 25 tags between them. They must also be organized and there is no guarantee loot will drop and even if it does someone else can steal it or foil their plans.
Freighters were overbuffed, if you want more go play hello kitty online.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
544
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Posted - 2014.06.06 09:52:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:baltec1 wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its always fun to see people with no idea about ganking flapping about on the forums blaiming everything but themselves and demanding nerfs to the single most punished activity in EVE. For a second I thought you wanted to tell us that ganking, an illegal activity, should be less punished and more rewarding. It would be nice to go a year without yet another nerf to protect people from themselves. Reward wise, we are at the mercy of peoples stupidity and lazyness. Why do you bother with these people? They are in High sec, an area of space where they don't affect you in any way, shape or form (or should not if you'd take your sov serious) and where you shouldn't be anyways as you have Sov (your home and area where you are supposed to live and shape and create your content). As for the "stupidity and lazyness[sic]"; considering your alliance's, your coalitions and other 00 sec dwellers war histories with certain entities, there's endless amounts of these two attributes floating around in space anyways. So, calling that being "at the mercy" is not exactly warranted. Where else can we find afk, undertanked cargo boats with billions in their holds? Also what else would you call people who stuff a billion isk into an untanked, cargo expanded T1 hauler that is flying through 0.5 space while AFK?
For the first: Loaded with billions not so commonly, but (afk) cargo boats all over the place: PF-346, 6-CZ49, M-O33E ... or odd haulers with billions in their hold and no protection.
I call them the same because they are either that in most cases; however, they only exist because 00 sec sov holding players don't take their sov serious and require the transport of billions of assets around High sec. If the attitude towards sov would change, a lot of things would change in EVE as a whole without any intervention necessary from CCP.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11821
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Posted - 2014.06.06 09:53:00 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:It ONLY takes 25 people to gank a freighter now.
Man can you imagine? It only takes 500 mil of fittings and ships or so.
Oh it also takes 6 hours and half of cumulative GCC timers all the time they have to wait x25 and 25 tags between them. They must also be organized and there is no guarantee loot will drop and even if it does someone else can steal it or foil their plans.
Freighters were overbuffed, if you want more go play hello kitty online.
You just overloaded the NSA's sarcasm machine. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2351
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Posted - 2014.06.06 09:55:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote: Why do you bother with these people? They are in High sec, an area of space where they don't affect you in any way, shape or form (or should not if you'd take your sov serious) and where you shouldn't be anyways as you have Sov (your home and area where you are supposed to live and shape and create your content).
As for the "stupidity and lazyness[sic]"; considering your alliance's, your coalitions and other 00 sec dwellers war histories with certain entities, there's endless amounts of these two attributes floating around in space anyways. So, calling that being "at the mercy" is not exactly warranted.
Seeing as Hisec is the place to go for low-end minerals (Trit, Pyer, etc.), as well as modules, ammo, sub-cap ship hulls, structures, fuel, and whatever else one would need to hold sov; well, it affects nullsec players pretty heavily.
Regardless of "where" baltec plays though, he is correct in that most ganking is directed at the stupid and/or lazy. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
544
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Posted - 2014.06.06 09:59:00 -
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Velicitia wrote: Seeing as Hisec is the place to go for low-end minerals (Trit, Pyer, etc.), as well as modules, ammo, sub-cap ship hulls, structures, fuel, and whatever else one would need to hold sov; well, it affects nullsec players pretty heavily.
This attitude is exactly the problem and root for the majority of EVE's problems. You are not and were never supposed to be dependent on High sec for these, but you made yourself this way because it was "more convenient" for the lazy players. |
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Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2351
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Posted - 2014.06.06 10:03:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Where else can we find afk, undertanked cargo boats with billions in their holds?
Also what else would you call people who stuff a billion isk into an untanked, cargo expanded T1 hauler that is flying through 0.5 space while AFK?
For the first: Loaded with billions not so commonly, but (afk) cargo boats all over the place: (edited out KB links before ISD have a field day) I call them the same because they are either that in most cases; however, they only exist because 00 sec sov holding players don't take their sov serious and require the transport of billions of assets around High sec. If the attitude towards sov would change, a lot of things would change in EVE as a whole without any intervention necessary from CCP.
The specifics were "AFK haulers carrying billions" -- y'know, something like ... oh wait, this isn't C&P, so killmails can't be posted ...
PF- kill ... 2 million (it was empty) C-6 kill ... 4 million (also empty) M-O kill ... 20 million (also empty)
zkill -> big kills -> look for freighters in 0.5 sec yesterday. There are at least three carrying a few bil in their holds ...
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11821
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Posted - 2014.06.06 10:10:00 -
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Quote:For the first: Loaded with billions not so commonly, but (afk) cargo boats all over the place: PF-346, 6-CZ49, M-O33E ... or odd haulers with billions in their hold and no protection. I call them the same because they are either that in most cases; however, they only exist because 00 sec sov holding players don't take their sov serious and require the transport of billions of assets around High sec. If the attitude towards sov would change, a lot of things would change in EVE as a whole without any intervention necessary from CCP.
We dont transport billions in frigile ships, that is almost entirely done by high sec players and no changes to null will change that.
High sec is where the rich pickings are for pirates so thats where we go. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11821
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Posted - 2014.06.06 10:12:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Velicitia wrote: Seeing as Hisec is the place to go for low-end minerals (Trit, Pyer, etc.), as well as modules, ammo, sub-cap ship hulls, structures, fuel, and whatever else one would need to hold sov; well, it affects nullsec players pretty heavily.
This attitude is exactly the problem and root for the majority of EVE's problems. You are not and were never supposed to be dependent on High sec for these, but you made yourself this way because it was "more convenient" for the lazy players.
We dont have the manpower to mine enough low ends and untill the next expansion you get better results mining and refining in high sec. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
544
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Posted - 2014.06.06 10:18:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Quote:For the first: Loaded with billions not so commonly, but (afk) cargo boats all over the place: PF-346, 6-CZ49, M-O33E ... or odd haulers with billions in their hold and no protection. I call them the same because they are either that in most cases; however, they only exist because 00 sec sov holding players don't take their sov serious and require the transport of billions of assets around High sec. If the attitude towards sov would change, a lot of things would change in EVE as a whole without any intervention necessary from CCP. We dont transport billions in frigile ships, that is almost entirely done by high sec players and no changes to null will change that. High sec is where the rich pickings are for pirates so thats where we go.
No need to 00 sec is necessary to change that. It's the player's attitude that needs to change.
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baltec1 wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Velicitia wrote: Seeing as Hisec is the place to go for low-end minerals (Trit, Pyer, etc.), as well as modules, ammo, sub-cap ship hulls, structures, fuel, and whatever else one would need to hold sov; well, it affects nullsec players pretty heavily.
This attitude is exactly the problem and root for the majority of EVE's problems. You are not and were never supposed to be dependent on High sec for these, but you made yourself this way because it was "more convenient" for the lazy players. We dont have the manpower to mine enough low ends and untill the next expansion you get better results mining and refining in high sec.
If you don't have the man power with that kind of member base (this is not even including the thousands of players in your renting scheme), you really have serious problems. The point about better refining yields, although true, goes right back to you (the players): changes to that should have been demanded and pressed for right from the start, not after years of exploiting a broken system. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11821
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Posted - 2014.06.06 10:34:00 -
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Quote:If you don't have the man power with that kind of member base (this is not even including the thousands of players in your renting scheme), you really have serious problems. The point about better refining yields, although true, goes right back to you (the players): changes to that should have been demanded and pressed for right from the start, not after years of exploiting a broken system.
You have no idea just how much material we burn through in peacetime let alone when at war.
Also we have been telling CCP for the last decade that null industry is broken. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
544
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Posted - 2014.06.06 11:01:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Quote:If you don't have the man power with that kind of member base (this is not even including the thousands of players in your renting scheme), you really have serious problems. The point about better refining yields, although true, goes right back to you (the players): changes to that should have been demanded and pressed for right from the start, not after years of exploiting a broken system. You have no idea just how much material we burn through in peacetime let alone when at war. Also we have been telling CCP for the last decade that null industry is broken.
Not exact numbers, no, but I can imagine the rough dimensions when several filled-to-the-brim BS fleets or dreadnought fleets die. However, in a 37k member alliance and with, nowadays 3700+ renters, there has to be at least 10k people who can mine minerals at least occasionally, if not as full occupation to support your alliance/coalition and make yourself independent from High sec.
Telling is not demanding and pressing. But honestly, what can you expect. (Not the original source, and I find it intriguing that I cannot find this news item on TMDC any more. I should have made a couple screenshots back then when it was online on TMDC. ) |
Dave Stark
6211
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Posted - 2014.06.06 11:08:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Not exact numbers, no, but I can imagine the rough dimensions when several filled-to-the-brim BS fleets or dreadnought fleets die. However, in a 37k member alliance and with, nowadays 3700+ renters, there has to be at least 10k people who can mine minerals at least occasionally, if not as full occupation to support your alliance/coalition and make yourself independent from High sec. the problem here though, is that mining is the slowest way to acquire minerals in eve. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11821
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Posted - 2014.06.06 11:15:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:baltec1 wrote:Quote:If you don't have the man power with that kind of member base (this is not even including the thousands of players in your renting scheme), you really have serious problems. The point about better refining yields, although true, goes right back to you (the players): changes to that should have been demanded and pressed for right from the start, not after years of exploiting a broken system. You have no idea just how much material we burn through in peacetime let alone when at war. Also we have been telling CCP for the last decade that null industry is broken. Not exact numbers, no, but I can imagine the rough dimensions when several filled-to-the-brim BS fleets or dreadnought fleets die. However, in a 37k member alliance and with, nowadays 3700+ renters, there has to be at least 10k people who can mine minerals at least occasionally, if not as full occupation to support your alliance/coalition and make yourself independent from High sec. Telling is not demanding and pressing. But honestly, what can you expect. (Not the original source, and I find it intriguing that I cannot find this news item on TMDC any more. I should have made a couple screenshots back then when it was online on TMDC. )
In the last war we blew through trillions in minerals in a single battle. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2352
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Posted - 2014.06.06 11:31:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Not exact numbers, no, but I can imagine the rough dimensions when several filled-to-the-brim BS fleets or dreadnought fleets die. However, in a 37k member alliance and with, nowadays 3700+ renters, there has to be at least 10k people who can mine minerals at least occasionally, if not as full occupation to support your alliance/coalition and make yourself independent from High sec. Telling is not demanding and pressing. But honestly, what can you expect. (Not the original source, and I find it intriguing that I cannot find this news item on TMDC any more. I should have made a couple screenshots back then when it was online on TMDC. )
Real rough (mineral volume) numbers, because I'm only looking at ME1 BPO
1x Titan, Avatar -- 47 million m3 (35m trit) 1x Super, Nyx -- 13 million m3 (9.8m trit) 1x Carrier, Chimera -- 725k m3 ( 535k trit)
Furthermore, you do realize that all the hisec production relies on nullsec exporting high-ends, right? would be real damn hard to build something (T1) without any Mega ... or something T2 without any morphite... One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6785
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Posted - 2014.06.06 11:37:00 -
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If you try to claim ganking is too rewarding, and then claim that the sec status hit is nothing because of the tags, then you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
Those tags are hilariously expensive. The criteria of what makes a profitable target gets a LOT smaller if you have to take tags into account.
So yeah, don't bullshit me. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
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